TONIGHT - E-cigarette segment: Dr. Carl V. Phillips v. Stan Glantz 10:45 pm Eastern

[Uma]

We have a serious cause, with serious information, and serious enemies. It's hard to find humor in a 15 second segment of time. Glantz talks long and slow, so the non-intellectual can understand the (lies) coming out of his mouth. He insults the public as well as the opposing viewpoint. But the public is too uneducated to notice. He also uses that long drawl in order to take up more of his opponents time. To hog the time limit.

Dr Carl did great, with facts. His voice is shaky nervous, but his mind and heart are prime.

FDA lied about the Pre-Drexel report, in attempts to ban eCigs.
The opponents hogwash the Drexel report, because the Drexel consists of the old FDA (& other) submission, not new.
The changelabsolutions lobbies towns to ban eCigs, based on the FDAs first fearmongering lies about the results of the test.
Glantz spreads the FDAs fearmongering lies about the results of the tests.

Why?

 

[Petrodus]

Didn't suggest humor in context with Dr Carl or to suggest Dr Carl should have done this or that in the limited time allowed. No one argues that Glantz is not a Piece of (you know what) and plays the game to get more talk time.

In general ... I just was suggesting ... humor plays a role when winning arguments
Fighting heads-up battles with the likes of Glantz is a major challenge.

 

[AgentAnia]

Didn't suggest humor in context with Dr Carl or to suggest Dr Carl should have done this or that in the limited time allowed. No one argues that Glantz is not a Piece of (you know what) and plays the game to get more talk time.

In general ... I just was suggesting ... humor plays a role when winning arguments
Fighting heads-up battles with the likes of Glantz is a major challenge.

Glantz is a bully. He needs a session in the principal's office. A few lessons from Ms. Manners wouldn't hurt either...

Petrodus, I like your "urban legend" reference. Will work well in article comments, methinks.

 

[Uma]

Didn't suggest humor in context with Dr Carl or to suggest Dr Carl should have done this or that in the limited time allowed. No one argues that Glantz is not a Piece of (you know what) and plays the game to get more talk time.

In general ... I just was suggesting ... humor plays a role when winning arguments
Fighting heads-up battles with the likes of Glantz is a major challenge.

Gotcha. My bad.

Where oh where are the funny Hitler video makers when you need them. Maybe vendors will hold contests... Nudge nudge

 

[Uma]

Our movement is not arguing with those who care about the truth
or give a damn about tobacco Harm Reduction (period).

My opening line with them is (with a smile) ...
"Don't feel bad ... You're not the only one who believes that "Urban Myth"


The bigger they are ... The harder they fall

That's a good one!

But he'll use it right back during the next debate, plus more insultive ones.

 

[Petrodus]

That's a good one!

But he'll use it right back during the next debate, plus more insultive ones.

Sooo ....
We win the day in the first debate and he morphs but we're prepared
with new humorous material including humorous questions we can ask him
in the the next debate.

I wouldn't let him control the discussion and let him have most of the time
to preach his nonsense. Would interrupt him from time to time with
humorous comments or leading questions ... would just piss him off and
hopefully he would uncloak and reveal to the audience ... he really is a Klingon


Just my ramblings ... carry on.

 

[DC2]

If I was ever debating Stanton Glantz on camera, I would make sure to refer to him as a mass murderer at least twice.
Maybe that's why they never invite me to debate him?

 

[Petrodus]

If I was ever debating Stanton Glantz on camera, I would make sure to refer to him as a mass murderer at least twice.
Maybe that's why they never invite me to debate him?

If Gantz ever looses his mind and agrees to debate you ... "ON CAMERA", of course ...
after you have his lunch ... He will immediately file a restraining order against you !!

 

[Uma]

Bring your foghorn speaker microphone gadget thingies! I want to hear you voice that truth loud and clear. . In fact, every time Glantz interrupts, lets hear the mega speaker roar OUR words.

Lemme attem too.

 

[Uma]

Sooo ....
We win the day in the first debate and he morphs but we're prepared
with new humorous material including humorous questions we can ask him
in the the next debate.

I wouldn't let him control the discussion and let him have most of the time
to preach his nonsense. Would interrupt him from time to time with
humorous comments or leading questions ... would just piss him off and
hopefully he would uncloak and reveal to the audience ... he really is a Klingon


Just my ramblings ... carry on.

You do make a strong point.
We need a ghost writer, script writer, Comedy writer, loud strong voice, headphones with prompters suggesting comebacks, ...

A free country would be nice too. Who am I kidding.

 

[Orb Skewer]

As he is the head of something, you should always be respectfull and address him as Mr

"So, Mr Glans.........."

 

[Petrodus]

You do make a strong point.
We need a ghost writer, script writer, Comedy writer, loud strong voice, headphones with prompters suggesting comebacks, ...

A free country would be nice too. Who am I kidding.

I'll ask Santa if he can make your wish come true

 

[Uma]

I'll ask Santa if he can make your wish come true

Ahhh, I love you, thank you. .
Maybe he'll remember my Rubicon jeep while he's at it.

 

[Uma]

"3.3.2 Heavy metals
Rationale. Heavy metals such as chromium, arsenic, and nickel can cause cancer, and lead is a neuro-toxicant.
Laboratory. Environmental Science Research, Porirua, Wellington Region, NZ Method. Inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry (ICP-MS), following APHA
21st edition method 3125 modified.
The liquid was tested for heavy metals (Arsenic, Antimony, Cadmium, Chromium, Cobalt, Copper, Lead, Manganese and Nickel).
Results. The e-cigarette cartridge liquid contains none of the above heavy metals. No metals were detected above the limit of detection for each metal, as given in Table 3.3.2 In contrast, heavy metals have been found in low-nitrosamine Swedish snus and in unburnt factory-made cigarettes and cigarette tobacco." http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

4.1 Risk of cross-infection from the mouthpiece or by inhalation
"propylene glycol vapor is bactericidal, and virucidal against airborne aerosol particles, and is associated with reduced respiratory infections in children continually exposed to propylene glycol vapor.31". http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

 

[Uma]

And the clincher "Conclusion. Based on the manufacturer’s information, the composition of the cartridge liquid is not hazardous to health, if used as intended."
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

Makes one wonder how that riverside lab person in the latest fear mongering lab test used hers ...

 

[Uma]

Some facts about Glantz he tries to keep hidden. Or, insights inside an evil mans mind...
http://www.velvetgloveironfist.com/index.php?page_id=64

 

[Petrodus]

And the clincher "Conclusion. Based on the manufacturer’s information, the composition of the cartridge liquid is not hazardous to health, if used as intended."
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

Makes one wonder how that riverside lab person in the latest fear mongering lab test used hers ...

I've got a mental image of what I would have liked to have done with hers ...

 

[Uma]

What is the "extra pay"? ucpay.globl.org - University of California Salary Data Analysis - Browse UC Salary Data

 

[Uma]

I've got a mental image of what I would have liked to have done with hers ...

thanks, I needed that laugh!

 

[AgentAnia]

Some facts about Glantz he tries to keep hidden. Or, insights inside an evil mans mind...
http://www.velvetgloveironfist.com/index.php?page_id=64

As long as we're dissecting the Glands' psyche, here's a "bio" of sorts I read months ago, didn't bookmark, lost, and wasn't able to find it again till today. Stanford Magazine - Article An exerpt:

In 1976, three years after getting his PhD, Glantz found himself plugging away a bit too quietly as one of the few non-M.D. medical research fellows at UCSF. He worked at figuring out the complicated biomechanics of the human heart--but wanted something that would speed up his own pulse. He decided to apply for a year's fellowship in Washington, D.C. The program, sponsored by the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, brought scientists to work on congressional staffs and committees.

Glantz made the final cut. Now he had to choose a topic and bang out a briefing paper in 24 hours. There was only one health-related subject on the list: a proposal by Sen. Ted Kennedy to tax cigarettes based on their nicotine content.

Donning his orange vest, Glantz flew to Washington with his briefing paper and passionately argued that the senator had a dumb idea. What you should really do, Glantz said, is attack the social acceptability of smoking, undermine the subtle web of support for smokers.

He didn't get the fellowship. "I was just crushed because, like a lot of people who go to Stanford and are overachievers, this was the first time I'd ever really tried for something and not made it." But Glantz had accomplished more than he realized: His briefing paper, expanded and refined over the next few years, became a blueprint for the modern anti-tobacco movement. This new paradigm saw smoking not as a medical problem but as a social scourge and fountain of political corruption. Tobacco companies weren't normal businesses, they were duplicitous peddlers of death. Secondhand smoke wasn't just smelly and annoying, it was an environmental toxin that killed more than 50,000 people a year.

Losing out on that Washington year was probably for the best, Glantz says now.

Evidently, he's taking credit for the Godber blueprint, which was developed in 1975 on the other side of the pond.

(On a personal note, in 1976 I was working on Capitol Hill, and some of my projects (not tobacco related) involved working with Ted Kennedy's staff. Just to think I was in the same city, maybe even the same building, as He Who Must Not Be Named gives me the shivers! ewwwwwww)