Thank you both! I did not have any luck finding the ckt on breaktru's index but lots of great info there. The links are great thanks for that TomCatt. I also have been googling and learned there are like 4 types of touch switches. Some use a single touch pad, some a pair of pads and others use a pair for "on" and a separate pair for off. The single pad variety are the slickest but can not work in wide open spaces. Still reading will post my findings.