OP said it was a disgusting, horrible old wet sock, man that just doesnt sound like a juicy peach. Its not a bad flavor at all really, but Ive only had it in glass.
TPA/TFA Juicy Peach... What happened?
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I just mixed up a batch from Wizard Labs in the little glass vials and it's very good without steeping @ 10%. I also immediately rinse my syringes so didn't have any issues.
Cola & banana are the only syringe killers that I am aware of but I'm sure where there are 2 known, more are lurking & waiting for the chance to get me.
One of my little sample bottles did decide to spring a leak when it took it's sauna in the microwave. Not the one with Peach Juicy in it, though.
If it were me, I would shake the heck out of the bottle and make another batch. It could also be that your taste has changed since you had that wonderful first batch. I can't stand menthol anymore and it used to be an all day vape. I loved Cinna-mint, too but the menthol makes me nauseous now. Peppermint is still good & I have a spearmint that will put hair on your chest! Because of my new menthol aversion, I'm trying other mint flavors I normally wouldn't have so it's all good.
ETA: Horrible wet sock could be a VG problem. I've got some Big Red bubble gum flavor that I bought from a not so good vendor that smells like juicy fruit stuck on gym bag. It has also turned darker every time I look at the bottle. I have heard that a certain vendor sells nicotine with a very distinctive odor as well.
Cola & banana are the only syringe killers that I am aware of but I'm sure where there are 2 known, more are lurking & waiting for the chance to get me.
One of my little sample bottles did decide to spring a leak when it took it's sauna in the microwave. Not the one with Peach Juicy in it, though.
If it were me, I would shake the heck out of the bottle and make another batch. It could also be that your taste has changed since you had that wonderful first batch. I can't stand menthol anymore and it used to be an all day vape. I loved Cinna-mint, too but the menthol makes me nauseous now. Peppermint is still good & I have a spearmint that will put hair on your chest! Because of my new menthol aversion, I'm trying other mint flavors I normally wouldn't have so it's all good.
ETA: Horrible wet sock could be a VG problem. I've got some Big Red bubble gum flavor that I bought from a not so good vendor that smells like juicy fruit stuck on gym bag. It has also turned darker every time I look at the bottle. I have heard that a certain vendor sells nicotine with a very distinctive odor as well.
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My nic from Wizard Labs is 100% VG based and does have a very distinct smell to it... But I can make a batch of 10mg/mL 70/30 pg/vg "flavorless" and I don't taste anything at all...
I just went out and got a bottle of PGA, so I'm gonna try a couple of small batches... One without PGA, but shaking the crap out of the bottle and doing my normal 10%, and another with 3% and some PGA... I don't want to give up on it yet...
I know when it got here it didn't smell right either... But now it smells like it's supposed to.
Maybe the batch was brand new and it had to do its own steeping as a concentrate before it was ready to be mixed.
We shall see...
I just went out and got a bottle of PGA, so I'm gonna try a couple of small batches... One without PGA, but shaking the crap out of the bottle and doing my normal 10%, and another with 3% and some PGA... I don't want to give up on it yet...
I know when it got here it didn't smell right either... But now it smells like it's supposed to.
Maybe the batch was brand new and it had to do its own steeping as a concentrate before it was ready to be mixed.
We shall see...
So I think it may have just been that when I got the Juicy Peach it was too new?
It's been sitting for months, untouched...
I just made up a 10mL 10mg/mL 70/30 PG/VG batch... Shook it up well
62% PG
20% VG
10% VG Nic Base (100mg/mL)
5% TPA Juicy Peach
3% PGA
And wouldn't ya know, it's excellent...
No more dirty sock flavor...
So really, because there was so many things I did different, who knows what made it taste bad before...
Was it the shaking? Was it the aging of the concentrate? Was it the reduced percentage of the flavoring? Was it the PGA?
Who knows...
I think I'll be getting a glass bottle for it though... Just in case
Thanks for the help guys!
EDIT: Cleaned out my atomizer (the PGA works wonders for that, much better than vodka/water) and added another .1 mL of the Juicy Peach to the mix, and that GOOD Juicy Peach flavor I remember is starting to shine through again. Not the wet gym sock nastiness...
I'll make another batch like I used to (10% flavor) along with the PGA and see how that does... I do like the extra bit of TH the PGA gives... Seems to add just the right amount of kick, while maybe even making the flavor a bit more intense...
It's been sitting for months, untouched...
I just made up a 10mL 10mg/mL 70/30 PG/VG batch... Shook it up well
62% PG
20% VG
10% VG Nic Base (100mg/mL)
5% TPA Juicy Peach
3% PGA
And wouldn't ya know, it's excellent...
No more dirty sock flavor...
So really, because there was so many things I did different, who knows what made it taste bad before...
Was it the shaking? Was it the aging of the concentrate? Was it the reduced percentage of the flavoring? Was it the PGA?
Who knows...
I think I'll be getting a glass bottle for it though... Just in case
Thanks for the help guys!
EDIT: Cleaned out my atomizer (the PGA works wonders for that, much better than vodka/water) and added another .1 mL of the Juicy Peach to the mix, and that GOOD Juicy Peach flavor I remember is starting to shine through again. Not the wet gym sock nastiness...
I'll make another batch like I used to (10% flavor) along with the PGA and see how that does... I do like the extra bit of TH the PGA gives... Seems to add just the right amount of kick, while maybe even making the flavor a bit more intense...
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It's not common for a well-known flavor from a well-known vendor to change. It is common for us to change brands/batches of VG, PG, & nic...and any one of those three things could definitely be the cause.
"Stale" is commonly used to describe the flavor of PG. Hubby n' me have been "100 VG" for quite some time, and just went back and tasted some HS tobaccos we'd made with some PG a few months back (30% PG/70% VG). They were disgusting...and had a distinct 'stale locker room thing' happening. But we didn't 'taste that' when we vaping PG/VG mixes.
Of course, you may not have changed anything - and if you haven't, then 'everything above' is suspect.
A month or so ago we switched brands of VG, and idiotically mixed up a few thousand mls without first testing it. It ruined the juices (making them "dead" and desperately flat/flavorless and kinda stale).
We've had 3 different brands of VG nic (ECX, Nude Nic and WZL). The WZL (two different batches) is strongly-enough flavored that we'll only use it in tobacco juices. Other brands/vendors are allegedly even more strongly flavored. (Nude Nic is far & away the most flavorless!
)It's not common for a well-known flavor from a well-known vendor to change. It is common for us to change brands/batches of VG, PG, & nic...and any one of those three things could definitely be the cause.
"Stale" is commonly used to describe the flavor of PG. Hubby n' me have been "100 VG" for quite some time, and just went back and tasted some HS tobaccos we'd made with some PG a few months back (30% PG/70% VG). They were disgusting...and had a distinct 'stale locker room thing' happening. But we didn't 'taste that' when we vaping PG/VG mixes.
Of course, you may not have changed anything - and if you haven't, then 'everything above' is suspect.
A month or so ago we switched brands of VG, and idiotically mixed up a few thousand mls without first testing it. It ruined the juices (making them "dead" and desperately flat/flavorless and kinda stale).
We've had 3 different brands of VG nic (ECX, Nude Nic and WZL). The WZL (two different batches) is strongly-enough flavored that we'll only use it in tobacco juices. Other brands/vendors are allegedly even more strongly flavored. (Nude Nic is far & away the most flavorless!
Thanks for the input... I haven't changed anything really, have enough PG/VG to last me quite a while still, about 500mL of each, which is a metric .... ton of juice to be had for one vaper... LoL
Still have quite a bit of nic too, but it's expiration date is coming up soon, so I need to replace that. I'll look into the nude nic. I definitely want whatever flavors are coming out in my juices to be from the flavor, not the nic. The Wizard Labs nic has a pungent odor, but it surprisingly doesn't seem to have that big an effect on flavors. Probably cause it's 100mg/mL and I don't use very much... I can imagine if it was 25% or more of my overall mix it would be more apparent.
I seem to remember when I made the "wet gym sock" juice, I was doing 50/50 mixes at that time. And previously I was doing 70/30... Shifting back to 70/30 for this batch and now it tastes good again.
Maybe the Juicy Peach needs a high PG percentage to carry the flavor the way I like it... And the extra VG in the 50/50 mix was killing it.
'Sounds like you might be onto something with the variances in vg/pg ratios! But :::sigh::: there are just so many possibilities
We are extremely impressed with Nude Nic! Shipping speed/care - perfect. Disclosure & knowledge of chemical data - 'better than we've ever seen. And the VG Nic is virtually tasteless and crystal clear. (we also got 3 of their custom flavors - which are also impressivem but I'm going to be reviewing them in a different post).
'Hope you get it figured out soon!
We are extremely impressed with Nude Nic! Shipping speed/care - perfect. Disclosure & knowledge of chemical data - 'better than we've ever seen. And the VG Nic is virtually tasteless and crystal clear. (we also got 3 of their custom flavors - which are also impressivem but I'm going to be reviewing them in a different post).
'Hope you get it figured out soon!
Wish I could get the high VG juices to work for me. Everytime I've tried, the flavor has been extremely muted. (even w/ adding water, etc) I'm not very good at mixing to begin with... trying to do all VG is like taking the handicap away for me. Lol
Sounds like your back on track. Isn't it nice when all is well with the world!!!
I'm glad you got your juicy peach back!
I'm glad you got your juicy peach back!
I'm guessing the wet sock episode was due to 1 or more of 4 possible things:
a)The flavoring was from a new batch and needed some time to settle into it's true flavor. I've personally had this happen, but not to the point you describe.
b)The flavoring definitely needed to be shaken before use. Nic should be as well before mixing as it can separate a bit when it sits.
c)The change in PG/VG ratio may have thrown you.
d)If you joined ECF at the same time you started vaping, then 10 months ago you would have only been vaping for about a month. It's pretty typical for us to go through a period of time when some juices don't taste right, or at all, a month or two in. It's odd, but usually temporary. You may have become a victim of it, or any combination of the above. Glad to know you're back on track with the peach however.
a)The flavoring was from a new batch and needed some time to settle into it's true flavor. I've personally had this happen, but not to the point you describe.
b)The flavoring definitely needed to be shaken before use. Nic should be as well before mixing as it can separate a bit when it sits.
c)The change in PG/VG ratio may have thrown you.
d)If you joined ECF at the same time you started vaping, then 10 months ago you would have only been vaping for about a month. It's pretty typical for us to go through a period of time when some juices don't taste right, or at all, a month or two in. It's odd, but usually temporary. You may have become a victim of it, or any combination of the above. Glad to know you're back on track with the peach however.
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I do allow it to steep for a week or so, but I also take a small sample of every batch I make and drip it to make sure it's where I want it to be. The peach goes through a color change in that time frame, but the flavors don't change at all...
Ok, so I'll start shaking up the flavor concentrate real well... But, like I mentioned, my nic base is 100% VG, and I keep it in the freezer...
So I have to let it cool to room temperature, and even then I is THICK... So, how do you shake up something with the viscosity of chewed bubble gum? Is there a secret to thinning out the nic solution when it comes out of the freezer so I can shake it up real good?
Ok, so I'll start shaking up the flavor concentrate real well... But, like I mentioned, my nic base is 100% VG, and I keep it in the freezer...
So I have to let it cool to room temperature, and even then I is THICK... So, how do you shake up something with the viscosity of chewed bubble gum? Is there a secret to thinning out the nic solution when it comes out of the freezer so I can shake it up real good?
run the bottle under hot tap water. Some will cringe at what I'm going to say next but I've resorted to putting it in the microwave for 10 - 15 seconds until it is warm.
Old thread, but I read it so I'm going to comment.
How many posting here are Scientist?
Do any actually know the chemical makeup and reactionary breakdown of any SPECIFIC Plastics? There are as many plastic compounds as you can shake a stick at and all have differing chemical makeup and different reactions to other chemicals.
If you don't Know, it is probably best not to offer opinions as likely fact.
I have seen plastic cups melt instantly and stored Acids in LDPE.
I do agree with Danny. Larger quantities of a freshly made Flavoring will need time to steep. TFA are PG Base and like the difference in a 5ml and 50ml mix, time is increased due to volume.
How many posting here are Scientist?
Do any actually know the chemical makeup and reactionary breakdown of any SPECIFIC Plastics? There are as many plastic compounds as you can shake a stick at and all have differing chemical makeup and different reactions to other chemicals.
If you don't Know, it is probably best not to offer opinions as likely fact.
I have seen plastic cups melt instantly and stored Acids in LDPE.
I do agree with Danny. Larger quantities of a freshly made Flavoring will need time to steep. TFA are PG Base and like the difference in a 5ml and 50ml mix, time is increased due to volume.
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ok i read this old thread too...so i'll also throw in something fwiw...
someone mentioned that an expiration date was approaching on a bottle of nic ?
Chances are that this may just be the recommended "retest date". No need to panic and buy more nic if it hasnt actually gone bad yet, especially if you've been storing the bulk of it correctly in the freezer.
someone mentioned that an expiration date was approaching on a bottle of nic ?
Chances are that this may just be the recommended "retest date". No need to panic and buy more nic if it hasnt actually gone bad yet, especially if you've been storing the bulk of it correctly in the freezer.
Realized after posting my response that this is an old thread and problem has been resolved. Vape on peeps!
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It happened to me with 2 different liquids that I liked, purchased from Wizard labs in 8ml vials. They were perfect, but then i purchased the same ones directly from TFA, one in 30 ml and the second in 15 ml size. i complained to TFA about the first one and they sent a replacement right away, but i didn't bother about the second one. Strange enough since the ones from Wizard labs (the good ones) were also tfa flavors, hence I keep purchasing the 8ml vials from WL and it works without a hitch.
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