Trying something new "HOT MIXING"

[Visus]

I usually steep my ejuices 3 weeks sometimes 3 months to see if they develop into something I like.

I have found many fruit e juices usually, except strawberry, become horrible after a long steep but the tobacco's and custards all become amazing.

I just made a decent size concentrate order and now an idea to "HOT MIX" taking the VG and PG heating to boiling in microwave then mixing in concentrate then re boil in microwave and final addition the pg nic and let cool.


I make my own coffee/tea extract in the microwave and it is supreme sooo....

My thoughts: use a glass 30ml bottle mix the pg and vg nuke for ~40 secs add concentrate nuke for another 20 secs then add the nic and let cool.

Wish me/us luck it will be awesome to knock down a month or two by heating extreme and using the microwave molecule multiplication process since it vibrates/heats the molecules from the inside out.. If you have ever made an egg in the microwave ya know it expands viscous elastomer fluids..

Has anyone tried this, I am aware of slow warm steeping in a crockpot or jewelry cleaner .. Still takes a bit of time with those two..

 

[dannyv45]

Good luck and watch out. Doing what your doing can easily severely burn you. Pg/VG/NIC gets far hotter much faster then normal water. Steeping should never be done at more then 150F. I would suggest you read my blog on steeping before attempting anything. Just look at my profile to the left and click the little number next to "blogs" under my avatar.

 

[jimkipila]

I mix mine at on temp but as soon as I'm done, I give them 2 25 minute hot baths. After each one I shake like crazy for 5-10 minutes and then take cap off to let it vent and cool down for about an hour or 2 then repeat. Speeds up the steeping process dramatically.


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[Visus]

Ok immediately after posting this just now, I had 10ml left in a 30ml bottle 3 weeks old TPA 555 70vg/30pg mix 7%flavor 6mg nic
I set the microwave to 30 secs at 10secs remaining it shot off a huge plasma burst, I immediately shut it down.
It lost about 2-4ml of e liquid instantly. Microwave smells awesome like 555 lol

vaping it right now while it's uber hot and it 100% works the flavor has changed, dulled , vapor is humungous, I vaped it before microwave and while decent size clouds at .8ohm 4.8v its now reacting like 99%vg 1%DW and a .4ohm build.. wow

Will post back when it cools and rest a few hours..

 

[jimkipila]

Don't microwave!!


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[Visus]

Good luck and watch out. Doing what your doing can easily severely burn you. Pg/VG/NIC gets far hotter much faster then normal water. Steeping should never be done at more then 150F. I would suggest you read my blog on steeping before attempting anything. Just look at my profile to the left and click the little number next to "blogs" under my avatar.

Just found this out, whoa nelly what a surprise there.. Reading your blog now..

 

[TCombinator]

Let me get this straight. A cup of water almost reaches boiling point in 60 seconds...

 

[dannyv45]

Just found this out, whoa nelly what a surprise there.. Reading your blog now..

I tried to warn you

 

[Visus]

Let me get this straight. A cup of water almost reaches boiling point in 60 seconds...

1 cup of water
950watt nuker 15 years old
222 secs exactly

Before divorced had a modern unit 2000 watts
45 secs 1 minute for a huge plate of leftovers it was awesome and dangerous
did not boil water often in that one it always exploded when taking out of it on hand, no good
Ex has it and I miss it lol
15 secs hot hoagies bread would not hard
now 1 minute and some change, bread hards and still cool spots..meh
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I actually have a surprise it did work, the 555 is now room temp and has more flavor side by side with non nuked 555 same bottle a 5ml syringe full..
since it vaporized in there I cannot say what vaporized or know how this happened
But yes 100% more flavor is happening here..
I do know a thing or two about steeping and where it should be at many months and I tell ya it is awesome.
The non nuked comparison flavor is awesome too but just not as flavorful, it's like a huge flavor blast and I am not imagining it..
Side by side with a two month steeper it is almost identical but better
But that 2.5 monther was mixed a lil on low side when I steep long I mix lower at 5%
My steep box over 120 10/30ml steepers at any given time..
Mostly all dblry5 555 and M tobacco. some are 3 weeks some are 3 months and I tell ya this is tasting like a 3 monther..
Um blueberry wild tfa is the utmost worst after two weeks lol

Making another experiment with a freshly mixed M tobacco against a 4 month steeper which has a grahamish ginger cracker flavor with hints of caramel, slight tobacco..
I will know instantly if this is worth looking into, there's a huge change with M tobacco with long steeping 555 is more subtle...

 

[Blueser]

Just hold on...someone is going to come along and tell you that you don't know what you're talking about...whatever works for ya... :~)

 

[Exchaner]

How about lowering the power on your nuker so the liquid will heat more gradually without bursting. You can measure the temp inside your liquid by a candy thermometer. It's very inexpensive and helps a lot. I think your method is worth considering with slight modifications to assure safety.

Edit: You managed to arouse my curiosity, so I heated 30 ml of water in a 60 ml bottle for 20 seconds in a 1000 watt device. The temp inside went to 170 degrees. I will try it next with pg just to see what happens. I am guessing from Danny's remark that I will probably need 12 seconds to bring it up to 150 degrees. I am doing this only because I am the impatient type who hates waiting a month for tobaccos to develop.... Haven't had much luck with the crock pot.

 

[Visus]

How about lowering the power on your nuker so the liquid will heat more gradually without bursting. You can measure the temp inside your liquid by a candy thermometer. It's very inexpensive and helps a lot. I think your method is worth considering with slight modifications to assure safety.

It definitely worked!
Vaping the last of the nuked 555 right now and cannot believe it, its amazing.

I am also doing a fresh mix hot water bath experiment, exchanging water as soon as it comes to room temps and then tomorrow doing the nuke test on M type tobacco. 30ml sitting in hot bath in sterile glass and are subtracting 10ml into a 20ml sterile glass storage vial for the microwave tomorrow. I am going to pulse the microwave in 10 sec blast, let it cool then blast it again 4 or 5 times; full mix 70/30pg 5mg nic 5% M type..

I already know it will handle a 10 sec blast without combustion-- I make my coffee/tea extract in 10/5 sec blast.

I have exchanged the water 5 times now after boiling it in the microwave adding it to a thermos coffee mug with mug top on, cap secure on juice.
I have a fresh mix pina coloda and are considering testing that too lol. This is exciting..

While taste are subjective there is no denying the change Mtype extract has with steeping it totally changes profile so this test is awesome..

 

[Exchaner]

Did you mention earlier that you leave out the nic until after the ingredients are nuked?

 

[Visus]

Did you mention earlier that you leave out the nic until after the ingredients are nuked?

I originally was going to do just that, using it as a coolant per se' but decided to try a full mix since today's test run was a full mix and I do feel the nic. I do know the heat will possibly eat up the nic but its too much for me at 5mg vaping 28watts lol so it wont hurt much if it slides down to 1-2mg..

What I am doing research on is calling TPA and asking advice if I am causing a diacetyl quickening. Diacetyl is what makes flavor taste great, albeit a hazardous chemical it makes flavor dance on the taste buds. By slow steeping we are adding a natural reaction and causing minute oxidation and trace diacetyl, and with organics there's no way to 100% eliminate it's natural occurrence but since using a synthetic flavoring maybe its a mute question. I hope so, I have literally turned the bottle upside down and dripped the last drop of 555 into my atty, it is @ ambrosia level of 555. I have never done that lol..

Was it the plasma burst like banana's flambe' adding something special, the heat, etc. etc. If the Mtype is a bust I will let it plasma again, gonna go all out here there is something here.. maybe

 

[Exchaner]

One reason I only use flavors from FA is because they disclose which of their products contains hazardous compounds. They supposedly test everything.

 

[Visus]

One reason I only use flavors from FA is because they disclose which of their products contains hazardous compounds. They supposedly test everything.

FA mixes low too that some strong stuff amd really cool they took an initiative for vaping.
TPA doesn't exactly make their flavors for vaping like FA but has all their msds rating and ingredients in the flavors and list those with possible volatile chemicals and most do not contain diacetyl..

Perfumer's Apprentice

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I have tried the water bath steeped, rested overnight, M type and it is no where near a long steeped taste, it still has a fresh mixed flavoring while not bad its not what I look for from M type.. I have a 3ml syringe filled with the original mix no hot bath and will say it is stronger than fresh mixed.

The microwaved M Type is cooling and resting I did 5 cycles of 10 sec and 1 20 sec blast then cooling, now resting it for a few hours like the 555 and see if it develops the grahamish ginger cracker type flavoring that I love. IF you ever purchase M type give it at least a month steep cap loose, a try.. 2 months for perfection. @ 5% it will be strong at the start but mellows beautifully across time..

Fingers crossed..

 

[Visus]

Test is a success
100% success

3ml syringe freshly mixed M Type
5ml syringe Heatsoaked in hot water bath
20ml dripper bottle was microwaved in the 20ml storage vial then when cooled was transferred

The fresh mix 3ml and the heatsoaked 5ml M Type have very slight change in color the microwaved e juice has darkened considerably and flavor profile is grahamish ginger cracker after a 5 hour rest.

100% success

Last portion of test is the call to TPA

Left to right: 3ml control syringe 5ml heatsoaked syringe 10ml microwaved in 20ml dripper bottle

 

[iamthevoice]

I usually steep my ejuices 3 weeks sometimes 3 months to see if they develop into something I like.

I have found many fruit e juices usually, except strawberry, become horrible after a long steep but the tobacco's and custards all become amazing.

I just made a decent size concentrate order and now an idea to "HOT MIX" taking the VG and PG heating to boiling in microwave then mixing in concentrate then re boil in microwave and final addition the pg nic and let cool.


I make my own coffee/tea extract in the microwave and it is supreme sooo....

My thoughts: use a glass 30ml bottle mix the pg and vg nuke for ~40 secs add concentrate nuke for another 20 secs then add the nic and let cool.

Wish me/us luck it will be awesome to knock down a month or two by heating extreme and using the microwave molecule multiplication process since it vibrates/heats the molecules from the inside out.. If you have ever made an egg in the microwave ya know it expands viscous elastomer fluids..

Has anyone tried this, I am aware of slow warm steeping in a crockpot or jewelry cleaner .. Still takes a bit of time with those two..

Actually, microwaves really only vibrate the molecules of water and other dipolar molecules, like most fats and sugars. The effect is called dialectric heating.

 

[zoiDman]

Just a Word of Warning.

I would think Long and Hard about Nuking any Container that is not Glass.

LDPE (Which Most Dropper Bottles are made out of) has an Operating Temperature of about -60F ~ 175F.

Low Density Polyethylene Properties |Technical Information (LDPE)

Microwaves have a Bad Tendency to Create "Hot Spots". Which Could Exceed 175F in Localized Areas.

 

[dannyv45]

I'm not to sure if there would be a flavor impact in the long term from steeping so fast in the microwave so I would steep one batch via crock pot at 150F, steep one naturally by waiting and steep one in the microwave and do a comparison. It would be interesting to see if there is flavor loss or some other adverse reaction to the mix in the long term.