I'm really trying to quit smoking but I when I vape the TH seems too strong and its not enjoyable like my analogs. My analogs state that they're 0.5-2.2 mg of nic. Now is that per analog or the pack? I'm using 8mg Liquid on a Bloog. Should I be thinning the liquid with pg/vg? I'm a little frustrated because I keep going back to the analogs. Thanks in advance.
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The nic on your pack of cigarettes is for the whole pack. Most people here will advise that you should be starting out with at least 18mg juice or cartos. Everyones results differ, but I started with 18mg and kept going back to analogs. Once I bumped up to 24mg, I never looked back.
The VG/PG was never an issue for me, and I am comfortable saying that once you find a juice or carto nic level that keeps you from going back, you'll get used to it. Im suprised you're getting such a TH from 8mg's.
You'll need a higher nic level to keep you off the smokes, but that will incease the TH. At this point I'll have to let someone else advise you....
Try more VG to soften the throat hit. And a lot of the enjoyment comes from the flavors so buy some samplers.
When you've collected a few, go to: Pay It Forward - PIF
There you can swap for others to try.
When you've collected a few, go to: Pay It Forward - PIF
There you can swap for others to try.
Because you're on 8mg the nicotine content shouldn't be giving you much problem. If you're using high PG content then definately VG will help. TH depends on the voltage you're running on and the rig you use. It could also be that you're not getting your rig wet enough. I know if I underfill an atomizer it burns, badly. Make sure you keep the bloog cartos moist if you're filling your own.
Bloog cartos are 2.5ohm but you can get 3ohm cartos to use. You can get boge 3ohm cartos from libertyflights or other places might stock them. I find 3ohm to be too cool but upping the resistance will also be a cooler vape for you. Make sure they're kr808D-1 threaded cartos as that's what the bloog is. I really like 2.5ohm for the warmth and hate the coolness of these 3ohm ones. I'd swap them to you if you were in the UK.
I think the mg of nic is per cigarette based roughly on how much you absorb. For vaping, there's not been a real figure set for absorption like that but it's estimated to be less because there's no real sediments in your lungs to get absorbed into your body. One study suggested around 10% absorption but it could be higher or I'm remembering it wrong.
One thing you'll find is that in the beginning it'll hurt to vape because there's no anesthetic chemicals in the ejuice but there are in analogues and it's something different you're breathing in you're not used to. Keep your fluid intake up to help with that.
One last thing is your inhalation technique: if you direct inhale into your lungs try to take it into your mouth first as though you're puffing on a cigar and then inhale. It should be a lot softer on your throat and lungs overall.
Hope you get the drift of all that and hope you stick it out! First week or two is the hardest.
Bloog cartos are 2.5ohm but you can get 3ohm cartos to use. You can get boge 3ohm cartos from libertyflights or other places might stock them. I find 3ohm to be too cool but upping the resistance will also be a cooler vape for you. Make sure they're kr808D-1 threaded cartos as that's what the bloog is. I really like 2.5ohm for the warmth and hate the coolness of these 3ohm ones. I'd swap them to you if you were in the UK.
I think the mg of nic is per cigarette based roughly on how much you absorb. For vaping, there's not been a real figure set for absorption like that but it's estimated to be less because there's no real sediments in your lungs to get absorbed into your body. One study suggested around 10% absorption but it could be higher or I'm remembering it wrong.
One thing you'll find is that in the beginning it'll hurt to vape because there's no anesthetic chemicals in the ejuice but there are in analogues and it's something different you're breathing in you're not used to. Keep your fluid intake up to help with that.
One last thing is your inhalation technique: if you direct inhale into your lungs try to take it into your mouth first as though you're puffing on a cigar and then inhale. It should be a lot softer on your throat and lungs overall.
Hope you get the drift of all that and hope you stick it out! First week or two is the hardest.
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I would say the 0.5-2.2mg is by the cigarette.
Vaping is a little different and takes some getting used too. Take a shorter hit into your mouth then inhale. Don't directly inhale it. My guess is that your juice is mainly PG which is what is causing your throat irritation. You may want to get a mix of 50/50 on your next order. If you aren't experiencing cravings, then 8mg is what you need but back off on the percentage of PG in your juice.
Vaping is a little different and takes some getting used too. Take a shorter hit into your mouth then inhale. Don't directly inhale it. My guess is that your juice is mainly PG which is what is causing your throat irritation. You may want to get a mix of 50/50 on your next order. If you aren't experiencing cravings, then 8mg is what you need but back off on the percentage of PG in your juice.
ETA: Dont let it frustrate you!!!!!!!!!!! Keep at it, and dont beat yourself up for going back. Alot of vaping is trial and error. Some people get lucky right away, and find the right combination (like me
). But give it some time and know that you're moving in the right direction... on top of the fact that you've joined the best community for supprt and questions. You'll get there
Yes... I have to stand corrected on my post. Most full flavor cigarettes are ranging from 22 - 26mg of nic per pack. Thats about 2.2mg per cigarette.
A bit of irritation is also really common at first, for everyone.
Prior suggestions are all solid, my only add would be to drink lots of water -- that's one habit I, and many others, had to pick up when we first started. I keep a water bottle at my desk, now it's pretty much unconscious.
I'd also agree that your nic is perhaps too low in the eliquid. An 18 mg/ml strength is pretty typical for a "lights" smoker, with most "full flavor" smokers using 24 mg/ml; some people are up or down one level from those values, but they're pretty typical. 8 mg/ml might just not be giving you enough nicotine.
Also, vaping varies from smoking in that it doesn't include any freebase nicotine (faster acting), carbon monoxide (part of the "rush" if you take a sharp drag on a cig), or MAOIs (things that extend the effective duration of the dopamine that nic releases in the brain). You may well find yourself needing/wanting to vape more frequently than you would have smoked, due to the MAOI aspect.
Prior suggestions are all solid, my only add would be to drink lots of water -- that's one habit I, and many others, had to pick up when we first started. I keep a water bottle at my desk, now it's pretty much unconscious.
I'd also agree that your nic is perhaps too low in the eliquid. An 18 mg/ml strength is pretty typical for a "lights" smoker, with most "full flavor" smokers using 24 mg/ml; some people are up or down one level from those values, but they're pretty typical. 8 mg/ml might just not be giving you enough nicotine.
Also, vaping varies from smoking in that it doesn't include any freebase nicotine (faster acting), carbon monoxide (part of the "rush" if you take a sharp drag on a cig), or MAOIs (things that extend the effective duration of the dopamine that nic releases in the brain). You may well find yourself needing/wanting to vape more frequently than you would have smoked, due to the MAOI aspect.
Thank you all for the help and ecouragement. I'll keep at it. And for the equipment I use is the Bloog MaxxFusion.
Drag slowly
bring the vapor into your mouth
Then inhale with a bit of plain air following it
Drink plenty of fluids
Try other flavors
You could also try the VG cartomizers from Vapor4Life - their VG must be thinned for VG to work in cartos but they do have a small selection of VG flavors. These should give a software hit. They also sell their VG liquids.
bring the vapor into your mouth
Then inhale with a bit of plain air following it
Drink plenty of fluids
Try other flavors
You could also try the VG cartomizers from Vapor4Life - their VG must be thinned for VG to work in cartos but they do have a small selection of VG flavors. These should give a software hit. They also sell their VG liquids.
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Actually, the tobacco itself has a lot more nicotine in it than that, but a lot of it is turned into partially combusted particulates (aka "tar") or lost in sidestream smoke. Since the whole "lite cigarette" debacle, scientists are finally starting to figure out that smokers will change the amount they smoke or inhale differently to get the amount of nicotine they are craving. Regardless of the nicotine content, most smokers absorb right around 1mg of nicotine per cigarette.
The "milligram" rating of e-liquid can be a bit deceptive. "24mg/ml" is actually 2.4% nicotine, so each drop contains about as much nicotine as would be absorbed by one cigarette. Usually one or two drops of e-liquid produces enough vapor to make the 10-12 drags you'd get from an analog, but if you're using a high voltage mod or low resistance atomizers that have enough heat to vaporize more liquid per puff, you'll probably want to match it with a lower strength liquid unless you are looking for a stronger than normal throat hit.
Finding the "just right" throat hit can be a neverending quest. Besides adjusting the nicotine content, some people will add menthol, cinnamon or sweeteners, or use different amounts of PG or VG to get the vapor to "feel" the way they like.
I've been trying different drag styles and a direct drag into the lungs seems to feel better on the throat. The liquid I'm using is Du Ma pg 8mg. I'm going to mix a little vg into it and hopefully that will make it better. Thanks for all the help everyone and for giving me more insight.
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