TVECA demonizes mods, claims they aren't e-cigarettes

[JD4x4]

I believe it's 2007, but the more important point is whether they can control the hardware. My opinion, for what it's worth, is they can not unless it's sold with a tobacco product, nicquid.

I agree totally. We need to make sure focus is always upon why we (some anyway) allowed and promote tobacco regulation in the first place, which is health harm that (allegedly) impacts society. And even then nicotine itself needs the focus until it is determined that it and it alone, when delivered as a vapor, rises to the same public 'threat' level to warrant action.

Everything else is fruitless semantics. The human hands are 'delivery devices'. If I were to put tin foil on the lamp end of one of the ultra-bright flashlights and drip juice into it and inhaled the vapor, did I just create a 'new' 'delivery' device requiring flashlight and tin foil regulation? What about the zero nic juice users? Because a garden hose might be used in the administration of 'colonics' do they become a medical delivery device subject to regulation? Why not? Frequency of use as such? Shape?

Zero nic users do so because they enjoy inhaling warm vapor with a taste to it. Period. No justification required, imo.

We also should remember that the FDA even warned a walnut mfr that they couldn't claim walnuts were good for you.

 

[frazam]

An idea popped in my head while I was reading this thread... what if sellers sold the mods with LED extensions? A flashlight head that connects to 510, 901, etc. connectors? If it's sold as flashlights, would they disapprove and regulate it? Once it's ours, we can then choose whether to use it as flashlights, or 'abuse' it to fire up our attys, tanks, cartos, etc?

Added bonus: less questions when traveling through airports.

 

[TennDave]

An idea popped in my head while I was reading this thread... what if sellers sold the mods with LED extensions? A flashlight head that connects to 510, 901, etc. connectors? If it's sold as flashlights, would they disapprove and regulate it? Once it's ours, we can then choose whether to use it as flashlights, or 'abuse' it to fire up our attys, tanks, cartos, etc?

Added bonus: less questions when traveling through airports.

Good point but in my recent travels by air, I had no questions about my mods (REO's)...
Once off the plane in Chicago, I went outside to use my mod- there stood a TSA agent also using a mod.
I asked her about it and why there were no questions going through security and she told me that e-cigs were very popular among TSA agents who can't leave to go outside to smoke....so pretty much, they all know about them and they have helped many TSA agents quit smoking

 

[frazam]

@TennDave: Cool! At least the TSA understand I was thinking about other countries, Hong Kong for example, they confiscate ecig stuff in the airport. As well as in Thailand. So I heard. Many friends are forced to smoke analogs when they go on trips to countries where ecigs are banned since they leave their stuff at home lest they lose everything. And with the growing number of countries that ban ecigs, I guess it's time to get sneaky

 

[TennDave]

Put some SNUS in a TicTac container... that's what I would do before breaking down for a nasty analog!

 

[rothenbj]

Good point but in my recent travels by air, I had no questions about my mods (REO's)...
Once off the plane in Chicago, I went outside to use my mod- there stood a TSA agent also using a mod.
I asked her about it and why there were no questions going through security and she told me that e-cigs were very popular among TSA agents who can't leave to go outside to smoke....so pretty much, they all know about them and they have helped many TSA agents quit smoking

I had the same reaction when going through courthouse security last year with my Chuck. I had put it in the basket and it raised no concerns with the security people. However as I was re-pocketing everything, the guard that was standing their asked curiously if it was one of those "electric cigarettes". I laughed, affirmed that it was one on steroids and pulled the battery out to show him the major benefit.

Now if I had my VV with me with the clear tank with liquid visible and a screw in the plastic it might be a longer conversation.

 

[VaporPhreak]

If you follow Kiklas's rationale, the Model T-Ford is an automobile and every thing that came after it (modified) is not an automoblie.

This is actually a great counter argument! I think it coveys our point quite well. I agree with what some others have said here that the term MOD brings to mind a home built device. Where as the eGo (and numerous clones), Provari, Silver bullet, ScrewDriver, Zenesis, Darwin, etc. etc. are APV's. They are simply a more evolved and refined version of the smaller ones. I see the difference in these models to the basic 510, 901, 4081, etc. as the same difference between a dinky $5 MP3 player from Walmart and a $650 iPad... they both came from the same basic need and idea, but are at very different places on the technological evolutionary chart. Just my