To be honest, I'm not even sure what the difference is...I'm certainly not scientifically inclined. I'm just glad they're keeping me away from the bad stuff
Ughhhh...please help!
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I was completely skeptical; I was a dual-user for about a month before I gave cigarettes the heave-ho; once I was down to 1 a day for 3 days, I figured if I could deal with just one a day, I could probably deal just as well without it.
Andria
Yup! Just like was said about the airflow thing - if it starts burning, close the airflow - take a few more primer pulls (pulls without firing), then open the airflow (this time wider than previously) and fire it. Should alleviate the problem - if not, then try backing off the power again. Sometimes premade coil heads can be temperamental and ruin a perfectly good day. Other times, they're just fine. Just depends on the coils themselves I guess. Over time if you have the hand dexterity and all that, I have no doubt that you'll jump into the rebuilding game - and as long as you build properly - you'll find that temperamental coils will be almost nonexistent.
Unless of course you're building on a genesis style atomizer - at which point you'll more than likely find yourself banging your head against a solid object in frustration. Trust me - I love my genesis style atty's, but DAMN can they be a pain!
Thanks for the tips! I don't know about the coil rebuilding. Sounds a little too MacGuyver-ish for me. I'm not sure I have the patience or the skills for all that. You never know, though!
I was terrified of the whole idea; spent my first 2-3 months swearing up and down I would NEVER EVER build my own coils. But I'm a tight-wad and I got tired of buying the stupid things *constantly* so I made myself learn how -- and it turned out to be a piece of cake.
This morning, the coil I'd been using for the last few weeks suddenly tasted like burnt metal, and I knew it was time to replace it, so I wrapped a new one, got it mounted... and 30 minutes later, for some reason it just popped -- more burnt-metal taste, ugh, and I wrapped another and got it mounted... no sweat, and a hell of a lot cheaper than $1.50-$8 per coil! When stuff like that happened when I was buying coils, I could hear the "cha-ching" everytime I had to replace one. Now I just mutter a swear word and make a new one, without worrying about the cost -- 50 ft of kanthal is about $4.50, and makes about 100 coils.
Andria
It's really not that difficult when you think about what's needed to do it. Here's a list:
Items that Cost Money:
1.) Wire -
A.) Non Temperature Control (TC) Device(s): Nichrome-80 (N80) or Kanthal A-1 (KA-1) - I've heard RUMORS of Stainless Steel (SS) working on NON-TC units... USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
B.) TC Device(s): Nickel (Ni200), Titanium (Ti01 / 02), or Stainless Steel. These wires come in various sizes - for higher resistances go with a higher number: 36, 34, 32, 30, 28 AWG) - Lower resistances use lower numbers (26, 24, 22, and / or 20 AWG).
2.) Appropriately sized / type screwdriver.
3.) Ohm reader - unless you have a regulated device - this is a MUST for a beginner!
4.) Organic cotton, cellu-cotton (rayon), PIMA cotton, or silica wick. ALL cotton is organic - just look on the bag or box and ensure it's been WHITENED with PEROXIDE ONLY (if the cotton was whitened at all).
Items that USUALLY Don't Cost Money:
4.) Good hand dexterity - this helps immensely. The lower the AWG wire is, the stiffer the wire is. So you will need a lot more dexterity to wrap anything 20AWG and lower. I don't suggest running out to get 20AWG just yet though. Start with 30 or 28 and work your way down.
5.) A BASIC understanding of OHM's LAW and battery safety. This is VERY important for you if you go from your device to a mechanical or other unregulated setup. If you own something like an iTaste MVP, Kanger Sub Box, or another device that uses a variable wattage chip - it's usually protected from MISHAPS that may occur if attention and common sense is not utilized.
So see - all in all, it doesn't really require much. Just the few items here and there and a bit of knowledge and understanding on how things work. Nothing too "MacGuyver-ish" unless you're getting into advanced building styles like Clapton coils, fused claptons, alien wire, etc. But basic wire builds and twisted wire builds really don't require much. Give yourself some time - go out there and watch a few basic coil building tutorials when you have some down time, and watch. Before too long you'll be a coil-wrapping mad-woman. And like AndriaD said, it will surely save you a bit of money in the end. Coil heads can be frustrating and expensive.
@AndriaD - Believe me, sometimes I mutter more than just a few. I've had builds that would drive me completely insane because they just didn't work... AT ALL! They were built within reason, they just didn't work at all.
Yeah, at first sometimes I would make a coil that just didn't work, though it seemed to be just like the last one I made! Very frustrating. But, the more repetition, the better -- my coils always work now, though sometimes I have to do the wicking 2-3 times to get it right.
Not *all* cotton is organic -- organic signifies that it was grown using only organic pesticides and fertilizers, and there is a HUGE difference in taste between organic cotton and "regular" cotton. It's not necessary to get the japanese organic cotton pads, organic cotton balls taste just the same, but the cotton pads do wick better, with their parallel aligned fibers.
If one just wants to try organic cotton for the flavor improvement, you can get organic cotton balls at Walgreens, a bag of 80 for about $2.99. The Shiseido cotton pads are my pick for that type, and you can get a box of 60 pads for $6 at Sephora -- and course each pad makes MANY wicks, so that's a good deal though it seems at first glance to be a lot more costly -- it's really not.
Andria
Yeah, at first sometimes I would make a coil that just didn't work, though it seemed to be just like the last one I made! Very frustrating. But, the more repetition, the better -- my coils always work now, though sometimes I have to do the wicking 2-3 times to get it right.
Not *all* cotton is organic -- organic signifies that it was grown using only organic pesticides and fertilizers, and there is a HUGE difference in taste between organic cotton and "regular" cotton. It's not necessary to get the japanese organic cotton pads, organic cotton balls taste just the same, but the cotton pads do wick better, with their parallel aligned fibers.
If one just wants to try organic cotton for the flavor improvement, you can get organic cotton balls at Walgreens, a bag of 80 for about $2.99. The Shiseido cotton pads are my pick for that type, and you can get a box of 60 pads for $6 at Sephora -- and course each pad makes MANY wicks, so that's a good deal though it seems at first glance to be a lot more costly -- it's really not.
Andria
If you look at it that way... then yeah, not all cotton is organic. Then the labeling is off on some brands of cotton. Because I've read on a few containers "ORGANIC" but when you look at it - it's been bleached with chlorine / chloride.
Which is maybe one obvious advantage of the japanese organic cotton pads -- they're really organic, thru and thru, start to finish. People that don't have a lot of land for agriculture pay closer attention to the quality of what they produce -- like japanese Kobe beef.
The chlorine may be why some cotton needs to be boiled first -- but even after boiling, it still doesn't taste very good. Just not a lot of taste at all. When I first used the organic cotton balls I got at Walgreens, it was a BIG difference, so much more flavor than anything I had tried before. But now I prefer the cotton pads; they're just quicker and easier to make wicks from.
Andria
there are MANY of GREAT people here that have a ton of knowledge on pretty much everything Vape related.
Welcome!!!
And please NEVER hesitate to ask questions. ALL of us here were "Rookies" at one time and we all had questions.
Enjoy learning, Enjoy Vaping
Welcome!!!
And please NEVER hesitate to ask questions. ALL of us here were "Rookies" at one time and we all had questions.
Enjoy learning, Enjoy Vaping
That's why I use rayon now. I used Ko-Gen-Do Japanese cotton, Muji cotton... etc. All the cottons and they all had one thing in common. They had a dirty (even after thoroughly washing my hands with soap, water, and rubbing alcohol), new fabric taste that took a while to come out of my fresh builds. Rayon does the same thing - but seems to go away much faster. Also seems to allow new juice flavors to kick in when bouncing from liquid to liquid quite rapidly. Am I saying everyone go try some rayon? No, but never rule it out as an alternative. And although it's a man-made product, and in no way "organic" - it still holds it's own as a viable wicking option / solution for those who have a sensitivity to cotton fibers.
Plus the way it wicks and the amount of juice capacity of such a small little bit of rayon. I use half of what I used to use when using cotton. I also feel that it gives me a more true taste than some of it's other brethren of wicks. I can usually spot a nasty liquid instantly when using it, whereas my palate tends to not notice some things or nuances with cotton.
Yeah, I liked rayon at first, but after a while, started getting a really unpleasant taste/smell from it. Right around then, someone PIFed me some of the cotton pads, both KGD and Shiseido; tried both, and really prefer the Shiseido, for exactly the reason you cited -- it has a MUCH shorter break-in time than anything I've ever tried. Maybe 3 hits... then no more cottony taste. And even those 3 hits aren't horrible, just tastes like vaping thru a pair of jeans or something, but only faintly. I start a new wick out at 8w... after 3-5 hits, I increase to 8.5w, and stay there for a few hours; then I can go to 9w if I feel like it, though often just stay at 8.5w for a while.
Andria
See I only have a foul taste in my atty when the coils need a good cleaning or changing. I use rayon exclusively in TC builds for that reason. Because I get a mild notification of "HEY STUPID! COIL CHANGING TIME!" ~LOL~ With some of the flavors I get off a dirty coil - I'll pull the rayon, brush off a bit of debris (if any) and verify that it was indeed the coil and not the wick. Usually as I've noticed the wick tends to be darker than normal and covered in gunk when giving me the funny tastes. Usually caused by too much heat with not enough liquid.
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Just wanted to throw in my
for your brother. I smoked PAD menthols for 18 years. I tried 9-10 different 'menthol' eliquids and hated all of them - most tasted like sweet spearmint.
I was going to order menthol crystals, but some nice person on here suggested I try Peppermint from thevaporroom.net first. Wonderful and gave me that icy throat hit I was craving! (There's probably other vendors that offer Peppermint now, 6 years ago TVR was only one I found)
I moved on from it after 6 months or so, but that Peppermint kept me from going back to the stinkies.
Best of luck to you both
And keep asking questions as they come up. The people here are great
Just wanted to throw in my
for your brother. I smoked PAD menthols for 18 years. I tried 9-10 different 'menthol' eliquids and hated all of them - most tasted like sweet spearmint.I was going to order menthol crystals, but some nice person on here suggested I try Peppermint from thevaporroom.net first. Wonderful and gave me that icy throat hit I was craving! (There's probably other vendors that offer Peppermint now, 6 years ago TVR was only one I found)
I moved on from it after 6 months or so, but that Peppermint kept me from going back to the stinkies.
Best of luck to you both
And keep asking questions as they come up. The people here are great
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This is my experience as well. I like rayon, although others do not. More power to them. That leaves more rayon for me
This is my experience as well. I like rayon, although others do not. More power to them. That leaves more rayon for me
You could have my Rayon, but I think the Postage costs would outweigh any genuine use.
I did quite like it. Somehow, I manged to get half a 'bale' of japanese organic from a vape convention.... (long story).....
The perks of helping tidy up after Vapefest.
All the food went to a good cause. I tried to give them cotton wool too.
You could have my Rayon, but I think the Postage costs would outweigh any genuine use.
I did quite like it. Somehow, I manged to get half a 'bale' of japanese organic from a vape convention.... (long story).....
The perks of helping tidy up after Vapefest.
All the food went to a good cause. I tried to give them cotton wool too.
Please tell me... what exactly is cotton wool? Because cotton comes from a plant... wool comes from a sheep. Do y'all have some hybrid plant-sheep?
Andria
Please tell me... what exactly is cotton wool? Because cotton comes from a plant... wool comes from a sheep. Do y'all have some hybrid plant-sheep?
Andria
Cotton wool is what we call it... I know... strange.
I like your idea though.
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