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Hello people, happy new year!

Like a lot of traditional smokers, I am turning over a new leaf in 2015. After 30 years of rolling my own cigarettes, it's time to give my lungs a rest.

I thought that buying an e-cigarette would be an easy gig - pop down to the corner shop and buy one over the counter. But I am a cynical type and don't ever believe the hype, so I did a bit of research online and am now completely befuddled!

Can anyone give me some advice, or point me in the direction of a good article on where to start my vaping journey?

Frankly, I don't even know where to start, I'm looking for a nicotine hit that won't break the bank or burn down my house. Probably a starter kit from a good company where I can test things out, but I don't really know what to look for.

Don't write me a lecture (unless this is a regular question and you have a response saved) but if someone could give me an outline of what to look for in a good product, possibly a brand suggestion, that would be terrific. Plus any pitfalls etc that I should avoid and if there are any UK vapers out there who can recommend the best online shop - that too would be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance for your help.
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum. Glad to have you here!:)

If you are looking for a setup here are some possible options for you to consider:

A variable v/w (twist/spinner) is usually recommended over a "non variable" v/w battery. It allows you to adjust your settings to get a better "vape". Some flavors taste better at higher voltages than 3.7v

1. JoyeTech Ego-C Twist
2. Vision Spinner
3. Innokin iTaste vv v3 (or the new vv v4 - 750mah or 1000mah)
4. Innokin iTaste MVP v2 (or even better an MVP 20 watt)
5. eLeaf iStick

The first 3 are fall into the "ego style" category of battery (with variable voltage). They range in size from 600mah to 1300mah. The higher the mah the longer the battery will last between charging.

The 4th & 5th ones are a step up from an "ego style" battery in that they are smaller variable v/w box mods with a very big battery (2400-2600mah). It will last many vapers a whole day before it needs recharging. The MVP is probably one of the most popular batteries for someone upgrading from an "ego style" battery. The iStick is also very popular.

I suggest buying only name brand Joyetech Twist or Vision Spinner ego batteries if you choose to go this route. BTW, "ego" is merely a type of battery, not a brand name. Buying "generic" ego batteries is always going to be hit or miss...mostly miss.

You will also need to purchase a tank (the juice attachment) and extra coils. The mini Nautillus, mini Aerotank or regular size Aerotank (all made of glass & all have adjustable airflow control) are very popular.

Why would you want a glass tank (you may be thinking to yourself)? Here is a great resource regarding "tank cracking" eliquid by ECF member Baditude: Something Safe for Cinnamon and Citrus Flavors
 

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Have you found this part of ECF yet? => National Forums or UK Forum. Lots can be learned there.

Below are some links I have accumulated from other members for UK vapers. You can thank fellow ECF member djsvapour who has provided most of these links.

ELiquid

1. Decadent Vapors
2. Paradise Vape UK
3. The Vapor Salon
4. The Alchemist Cupboard
5.Digbys Juices (The Dr Jekyl and Mums Custard are rated.)
6. Kraken Ecigs
7. Vapemunki-Eliquids
8. Greyhaze
9. Chefs Vapor
10. Mrs Lord & Co.
11. UK Vapers
12. Spiritus Vapes - Imported USA Juice (these juices are higher cost due to import fees to the UK)
13. CloudHouseVapor - European Source For American Made E-Liquids
14. Vape Club UK - USA Juice
15. The Vape Parlour - USA Juice
16. UK & Ireland E-Cigarette/E-Liquid Vendors <= Great list of links and coupon codes by ECF member Chrissie (hardware & juice)

Hardware

1. UK & Ireland E-Cigarette/E-Liquid Vendors <= Great list of links and coupon codes by ECF member Chrissie (hardware & juice)
2. Myepack.co.uk <= Highly recommended by UK members
3. Vape Escape (you can get 10% discount if you are on a forum).
4. UKecigcabin. That is CABIN, not store. (Don't even ask about the 'other' one...)


Wire & Wicking

1. Cloud 9 Vaping - Cellucotton (Rayon)
2. The Vape Mesh Company - Source for A1 Kahthal. The wire listings state both the AWG and the wire diameter (e.g. 0.28mm etc.)
 
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Welcome to ECF, friend. I'm not so good at recommending beginner set ups. I used an ego battery with a simple evod bcc atomizer for a few weeks. It kept me off smokes, but I upgraded ASAP (a little too hastily, and never use that gear, just a few short months later).

But I will say I bought absolutely everything from Totally Wicked E-liquid (hardware and all). They're a little pricier than a lot of what you can find online, but they're UK-based and nice to deal with. Constantly running some kind if sale, as well. I think a lot of their stuff is 25% off, at the moment. They're also currently playing a big role protecting vaper's rights in the EU, for which I admire them greatly.

I hope you find something that suits your needs, and stick around for a while :)
 

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Alright, this will probably be a little long, but I'm going to try to hit all the bases for you. No links because I'm in the US, so I don't know the UK vendors, but I'll give you names so you can search them out yourself.

Basically, all electronic cigarettes and vapor setups work on the same basic principle - take a liquid with nicotine in it, heat it enough to turn it into vapor (kind of like fog) so that you can inhale it. To do that, we need 2 basic elements.

The Battery

This part supplies power to the heating element, and the nicer ones are usually called mods. How much power is supplied can have a big effect on how much vapor is produced, how hot or cold the vapor is, and how quickly you use up the liquid. There are 2 basic categories of batteries - variable (or regulated), which allows you to adjust the power output to your tastes, and mechanical (or unregulated) which have one power setting. They can range from a basic "cig-a-like" style meant to look and feel like a real cigarette, all the way up to devices that have almost as much electronics as your cell phone, but the thing they all have in common is that they power your heating element. Some of the VERY basic (and not very good) batteries are "automatic," which means they have an air sensor that turns the power on when you suck air through - while it sounds attractive, these don't work very well and are not recommended. The rest of them are "manual," meaning they have a button you push to control the power. While the button is held down, power flows, and it stops when you stop pressing the button. All batteries have a connector on one end that matches up with a connector on the atomizer. The industry has pretty much standardized on a connector called a 510 connection (named after the first electronic cigarette model that used it). Another very common one is an Ego connector, which also has a 510 in it, so it will work with both types, although these seem to be used less and less these days.

Different people like different things, but for most newbies, the ability to change the power level to find what's the most satisfying to you makes switching over from cigarettes (referred to on the boards here as "analogs") easier. If it's very important to you that your new device looks and feels kind of like a cigarette, my recommendation is either an Ego Twist or a Vision Spinner. These are pretty much the same thing, just different brands, and you'll want to have 2 or 3 of them on hand so you can put a fresh one on while you're recharging the old one. They're little cylinders with a dial on the end that will change the power level. If you don't care if it looks like a cigarette or not, then my top recommendation is the Itaste MVP 20W. This guy is an inexpensive little box about the size of a pack of cigarettes with a long-lasting built-in battery, buttons to change the settings, a display so you can see your settings, and a usb port you can use to charge your cell phone in a pinch. It charges by USB and can be used while charging (this feature is called "pass-through") and lasts a couple of days, so you only need one. The Itaste MVP2 is also a good one, but it doesn't have as large a range as the 20W, so you may end up upgrading sooner. You'll also see a lot of people here recommend the Eleaf Istick, but I strongly prefer the MVP - it has a smooth output, while the Istick alternates rapidly between high and low power to average out to the level you've set it at. That alternating can be a much harsher vape.

The Atomizer

This is the part that does the work. Inside is some way to hold juice (usually a tank of some sort, but some of the more advanced options work in different ways), some sort of wicking material that will transport the juice from the holding area to the heating element, and a heating element that's a wire coil that heats up when power passes through it. The wire is essentially the same stuff that's in a toaster. There are a million different types of atomizers, and new ones come out every day, so I'm going to stick with the type usually recommended for beginners here. You'll certainly learn about the other ones over time, especially if you hang out on the forums. The best thing to start with is a clearomizer (the word is a combination of "clear" and "atomizer"), which is a glass or plastic tank that holds juice with a replaceable cartridge containing the heating element and wick. You typically change your cartridge out every week or two, and they're sold in packs of 5 or 10. Most clearomizers come with 2 cartridges to start with, and you'll want to have some extras on hand. Every once in a while you get a bad one.

As I mentioned before, these tanks are either plastic or glass (pyrex, usually), and plastic is cheaper, but glass is usually the better choice, because juices with certain types of acidic flavors (citrus, cinnamon, that kind of thing) can actually react with the plastic material and eat away at it over time, cracking the plastic and breaking your gear.

Recommendations here: If you want the smaller cigarette form factor, I like the Kanger Aerotank Mini. If the cigarette size doesn't matter, then the Kanger Aerotank. They're essentially the same thing, but the larger one holds more liquid (juice) at one time, so you don't have to fill it up as often. You'll also see a lot of people here who like the Aspire Nautilus and Nautilus Mini, but I prefer the Kanger products because of the wicking material. The Aspire stuff uses a ceramic fiber wick (kind of like fiberglass) and I don't know enough about it to feel comfortable with it.

The last thing you'll need is juice. This comes in about a billion different flavors and with different levels of nicotine, and it's totally based on personal preference. Most people say you should start at the 18mg nicotine level if you smoked more than 20 cigarettes a day and 12mg if you're under that, but everyone metabolizes it differently, so that's just a starting point. If you get a headache from vaping, your nicotine is too high, and strong cravings for a cigarette usually mean it's too low. The best recommendation for juice to start with is to find a local vape shop and try a lot of them out. Most stores have a tasting area with samples of all of their juices and a device to test them on. Pick up a few you like and you can usually order more of it cheaper online when it's time to refill. It usually takes people some time and a lot of trying out different juices to find their go-to flavor and brand (if you see the abbreviation ADV on the forums, it stands for All Day Vape, and means "a flavor I can use for long periods of time without getting tired of").

So hopefully that helps. Good luck, welcome to the club, and enjoy your new adventure!

tl;dr: My top beginner recommendation is an Itaste MVP 20W with a Kanger Aerotank, but if it's important to you that it looks and feels closer to a cigarette, go with a few Ego Twists or Vision Spinners with a Kanger Aerotank Mini. For juice, find a shop near you and try a lot of them.

EDIT: In the time it took me to type this out, you got some great recommendations. Looks like I'm a little slow today. :vapor:
 
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Welcome Jugglingduck.

Normally, I do lecture-length replies. Oh, yes... especially for new UK people.

Since you have banned me from waffle, I'll say this;

Shop at Vape Escape (the best) Myepack (the cheapest) or Cloud9 (the poshest).

Go anywhere else and expect to have your wallet ripped apart by a large shark called Kenny that likes to eat paypal accounts for Christmas Lunch.

Do NOT shop at
1. Totally Wicked, unless you actually visit a store (that's OK), because they charge you high street prices online, which is mean.
2. UKecigstore, because they couldn't give a flying **** if you get your gear or it even works.

Both of these are top of google... no surprise there then. Money buys search engines. :(

There are 3 varieties of e-cig worth buying... eGo batteries, box mods or tube mods.

If you want a decent starter, I'd probably recommend

Kanger Emow Starter Kit - Starter Kits

or, a box mod - MVP or iStick.

time out... :)
 

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Hi, JugglingDuck, Welcome to ECF!

I was going to answer your question, but I've really got nothing to add to the excellent advice already given above. You can see why ECF is in a class all by itself as a forum!

I will say: Get your 5 posts in (say hi to other new members, and perhaps a thanks here to the above posters) and you'll be able to post elsewhere on the forum. I would suggest you visit the UK vapers forum, but for now that might be redundant (and too much overload!)

djsvapour certainly knows his stuff so I'd definitely follow his advice if I were you!
 

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Hello people, happy new year!

Like a lot of traditional smokers, I am turning over a new leaf in 2015. After 30 years of rolling my own cigarettes, it's time to give my lungs a rest.

I thought that buying an e-cigarette would be an easy gig - pop down to the corner shop and buy one over the counter. But I am a cynical type and don't ever believe the hype, so I did a bit of research online and am now completely befuddled!

Can anyone give me some advice, or point me in the direction of a good article on where to start my vaping journey?

Frankly, I don't even know where to start, I'm looking for a nicotine hit that won't break the bank or burn down my house. Probably a starter kit from a good company where I can test things out, but I don't really know what to look for.

Don't write me a lecture (unless this is a regular question and you have a response saved) but if someone could give me an outline of what to look for in a good product, possibly a brand suggestion, that would be terrific. Plus any pitfalls etc that I should avoid and if there are any UK vapers out there who can recommend the best online shop - that too would be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance for your help.

You're going to get as many opinions as there are members on here as to what is better so I'll break it down a little simpler.
  1. Get a good VV/VW mod to begain with.
    Save yourself the trial and error and go ahead and get yourself a good 30+watt mod to begain with that way it is scalable and alot easier to dial into your taste
  2. Rebuildable atomizers
    Even though there are some pretty decent clearomisers out on the market today, and are great for noobs I still recommend you get at least 1 rebuildable tank and one rebuildable dripper, these opens up a whole new world of vapor and flavor production possibilities.
  3. Great quality liquids
    Not all E-liquids even the so called name brand are the same, some are okay to begain with but get nasty after a while some are just nasty to begain with.
    Here is where I'm going to plug http://www.nicoticket.com/, I wish someone would have told me about them when I first started, would have saved me a lot of money and trial and error of finding great liquids, I assure you they have the best e-liquids on the planet.
 
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