ultra fire 18650 issues

[ambientech]

LOL

My hobby is electric rc planes that I use huge lipo battery packs in so I needed a charger that had some oomph behind it. It is an amazing charger that can be updated to include future chemistry types that may come along. I have had it for about 6 months and still I am learning new things it can do

 

[erich]

Actually, this thread being my impetus for even more digging around about batteries and chargers, I think I am going to give the Turnigy Accucell-6 a try.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-drop-voltage-too-fast-me-2.html#post3819341

Once all is said an done, with the HobbyKing shipping and a power supply & a few other odds & ends, it comes out to slightly more than the Pilo, but will finally let me get away from having multiple chargers for 3.7v & 3.2v. It looks a little daunting, but in practice, you'll only be likely to have a handful of configurations to use, and the options are endless.

Sorry, starting to hijack at this point.

 

[ambientech]

The Turnigy Accucell-6 is a better choice than the Pila for those that can navigate it's menus and have no problem with learning a little. You will need to build battery cradles for charging. The Pila is better for those that want simplicity and don't mind slower charge times.

 

[kabonk]

so I wouldn't even know what to do with this and at the bottom of the page this is written "Note: Power supply not included" so I would have to have it plugged into a power supply and the power supply plugged into the wall?

Actually, this thread being my impetus for even more digging around about batteries and chargers, I think I am going to give the Turnigy Accucell-6 a try.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-drop-voltage-too-fast-me-2.html#post3819341

Once all is said an done, with the HobbyKing shipping and a power supply & a few other odds & ends, it comes out to slightly more than the Pilo, but will finally let me get away from having multiple chargers for 3.7v & 3.2v. It looks a little daunting, but in practice, you'll only be likely to have a handful of configurations to use, and the options are endless.

Sorry, starting to hijack at this point.

 

[erich]

so I wouldn't even know what to do with this and at the bottom of the page this is written "Note: Power supply not included" so I would have to have it plugged into a power supply and the power supply plugged into the wall?

Yeah. Something like HobbyKing R/C Hobby Store : IMAX Power Supply 100~240v 5A would work. The reason they're not included is that it accepts a 12v input, and a lot of e.g. RC plane guys will run it from their car battery.

Then, you need some way to connect it to your batteries. All this is what I mean when I say that the $22 charger will cost a little more than the ~$50 Pila.

Here is one way to do it:
Turnigy Accucell-6...Am I missing something?

What I'm going to do is just rip the electronics out of a 4 port charger and wire it directly to leads that will plug in to the Accucell. Something like this, but using a 4-port charger:

source

 

[ambientech]

so I wouldn't even know what to do with this and at the bottom of the page this is written "Note: Power supply not included" so I would have to have it plugged into a power supply and the power supply plugged into the wall?

Yes you need a dc power supply These more sophisticated chargers are not for everyone.

 

[erich]

Yeah, again, apologies for hijacking. This is probably well beyond the needs of the OP. Just thought once the $300 chargers were mentioned that I'd point out that not all hobby chargers are that expensive. Unless your whole household vapes like trains, you shouldn't have nearly the power demands of the RC plane folks.

 

[Kenzi]

personally I would stay away from any *fire batteries...
the AW 2600mAh is excellent (if your mod can use a flat top battery..if not the largest mAh is 2200mAh) -
or the redilast 3100mAh (redilast.com)

I don't know if the SB will handle a flat top ???

in the 18650 size the IMR high drain is just overkill and unneeded...
really in that size the more mAh the better (will last longer before needing charged)

wow I feel so dumb "IMR" ?
At least I now understand the mAh

 

[Kenzi]

Li-Ion Batteries From Mad Vapes with protection.

I ordered these . Can't wait for the charger to get here and the batteries. I think the batteries I have now are probably still ok but it can't hurt to have extra batts especially since w/the ones I just ordered (if I'm understanding mAh ) I should get more use time out of them . Can't wait since the three batt's I have are now dead leaving me with a SB that I can't use....Inferno for now .

 

[Kenzi]

Pila chargers are the best of the best and well worth the money . Stick with AW IMR's or AW protected . The IMR's perform the best and are safer than a protected

have to ask ....what's AW ?

 

[tearose50]

AW is the Brand. The Black & Silver ones are the Protected. The Red ones are the High Drain (IMR).

I really like my 2600 mAh AW Protected (also has IC on it) batteries. It has been said that these are the best "bang for your buck" and not worth paying for more mAh. Super T has a chart on this somewhere on their site. Many insist High Drains are better --- Some don't! AW's do cost more. After buying another brand battery & charger set up while I waited for my first Mod to be made and arrive I got lost on some batteries threads--- and decided to go for the most recommended.

I keep those cheaper batteries for back up as well as the charger. Both are still stored somewhere!

Both RTD and Super T carry AW's---pretty sure both types. There are others.

I've also been quite pleased with my Pila.

have to ask ....what's AW ?

 

[Drozd]

AW is a brand..
They're known for being better made and have better quality control and accurate may ratings...
The *fire brands are known for having exaggerated may ratings and looser quality control standards (alot of variables in the actual size of the cell or just bad cells)

Li-ion batteries for this purpose have a few different chemistries and their properties vary...
Most common is and what we see most is ICR ( or cobalt) they're the ones that are unstable and need the protection circuit..
Then there are the IMR (or manganese) commonly also referred to as LiMN or high drains...they can't have as high of a may rating due to their chemistry but they are capable of higher discharge rates (basically 16 Amps versus the ICRs 5.2 Amp in the 18650 size) and they're more thermally stable so don't need the protection circuit...
That's also why I say that the IMR is pointless in the 18650 size..at worst you only need a discharge rate of 2.5Amps (if you're using a low resistance Atty at 3.7 volts) ....so a regular ICR will provide that and give you more mAh (longer run time)



In short the AW batteries though they cost more are worth the money..
And so are redilast batteries...they're high quality (made by Panasonic) and have tight QC and accurate mAh ratings