Universities Implement "Smoke Free" Campuses

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hopefulpoet

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As of Jan. 1st, the Univ. of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana will be a smoke free campus. If anyone has visited (or attended), you know how massive this campus is. Implementation will be a nightmare, to say the least.

What troubles me the most, though, is that vaping will be banned as well. While I no longer attend the school, I do visit coffee shops to work (and vape). In the Dec. 15th edition of the News Gazette the author writes:

"Campus officials say the industry (e-cig) is relatively new and unregulated, which puts users at risk. And some studies have shown that the vapor contains a similar carcinogen to tobacco smoke. The CDC and other public health organizations discourage their use, said Michele Guerra, director of the UI Wellness Center. "We don't know enough about their risks," she said.

To add insult to injury:

"The Activities and Recreation Center, State Farm Center, Illini Union and residence halls will sell nicotine gum or lozenges, and the campus has "quit kits" with tips to help people get through the cravings, she said." (Dec. 15).

So you're telling me that a smoking alternative with a substantially high rate of helping people quit (or significantly decrease) smoking is banned, but products that have proven to be marginally effective are not only allowed to bypass said policy: they are being sold by the university?! GTFOH! I wonder how much grant money is provided to the university by mega pharmaceutical corporations...? Also, I don't know how many of the other 1,100 college campuses that currently ban smoking on their campuses are profiting off of bunk smoking cessation products, but I'm curious.

There was an opportunity for the U of I to realistically help thousands of smokers live healthier lives- realistically, how many people will smoke anyway: there's no binding sanctions for violators- but the Administration would rather line their pockets and save face. While it ranks first amongst public universities in terms of engineering science and engineering physics, the U of I is demonstrating that it needs remediation within the realms of leadership and ethics.



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I wonder how much grant money is provided to the university by mega pharmaceutical corporations...? Also, I don't know how many of the other 1,100 college campuses that currently ban smoking on their campuses are profiting off of bunk smoking cessation products, but I'm curious. Tapatalk

Ugh, and you know they probably blackmailed their way into it too, threatening to reduce or eliminate funding for other programs they sponsor at our universities unless vaping is banned and nicotine gum is available for sale.

If anyone is in any doubt as to the real reasons behind almost any vaping bans or legislation, they just need to look at this situation.

It's just about money. It's not about health, just about money.
 

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Oh come on. Does anybody here remember the 60s? Peace marches, riots, blowing up the ROTC on Saturday night? How about peace and ‘make love not war’ (while doing the above, lol)? My father taught law at a big university and he laughed that suddenly there were six dogs attending his lectures. No kidding, the university caved in and let students bring dogs to class. Half the students may have been stoned but at least they were able to think for themselves and now students are lead around by their noses. We all know damned well where this is going; ban it and they will try it. Keggers and togas are okay but vaping is out? It’s not a university’s business to tell students how to live, it’s a place where students learn how to live. This is teaching discrimination against smokers and vapers. Somebody please flog those people, I need to go to sleep.

DC2, I’ll look at your links tomorrow, I’m going to bed before I really fly off the handle. :evil:
 

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I think one of these days the wife and I will revisit our alma mater (UCSD) again and bring a picnic lunch.
We'll go to The Hump and eat, and vape, and watch all the little college students passing by getting their indoctrinations.

Then someone will come and tell me to stop smoking, and I'll say not to worry, it's just vapor.

And then campus security will come around perhaps, and tell me vaping is the same as smoking and I have to stop.
And I'll tell them to shove it, and that the police are welcome to come and haul me away.

Those campus security guys don't carry tasers, do they?
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Thanks DC2 (you butthead :lol: ), you made me look at this thread again. Let me know when you guys go down and do this, I just might take the Bullet Train down and watch you get tased while I vape away in the bushes. Naw, I’ll probably come charging out of the shrubs in your defense and get tased too. Did I mention my Dad was law professor?

What gets my goat, and I always get my goat back, is banning something that is legal. Can you imagine what would happen if they banned tank tops and stilettos on campus? Riots in the streets. Oh wait, do kids know how to properly protest on campus anymore?

Serious question, what is BT doing about these bans? (Perhaps it's in one of your links, sorry.)
 

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I remember well my senior year of college they put in place the no smpking in buildings rule. It went in place with not even a public wimper. We smokers groused plenty as we shivered outside but no one was willing to jeopardize their chances of graduating to actually DO anything (late 80s).

Yet when the first gulf war became a shooting war within an hour there were protesters on the quad shouting "He-- no we won't go. We won't fight for Texaco." They were completely unmolested by the campus cops.

Colleges are politically correct entities. They will follow the correct politics of whoever is funding them in all things.
 

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I think one of these days the wife and I will revisit our alma mater (UCSD) again and bring a picnic lunch.
We'll go to The Hump and eat, and vape, and watch all the little college students passing by getting their indoctrinations.

Then someone will come and tell me to stop smoking, and I'll say not to worry, it's just vapor.

And then campus security will come around perhaps, and tell me vaping is the same as smoking and I have to stop.
And I'll tell them to shove it, and that the police are welcome to come and haul me away.

Those campus security guys don't carry tasers, do they?
:laugh:

Guess what they can now carry in some parts of GA?

Georgia School District Approves Rifles For Officers

"A north Georgia school board has approved a measure allowing some resource officers to carry long-range rifles. "

Plinked at 1/4 mile for vaping. I can see the headlines.:evil:
 

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There was something that annoyed me about this beyond the obvious BS of these policies and it finally struck me; many people smoke because they have ADD/ADHD, whether they know it or not. Nicotine helps with it. It’s why I started smoking at 12-13 even though I didn’t like it. Took me decades to figure it out since I didn’t have a clue what was wrong with me and didn’t hear of ADD/ADHD for another 25-30 or so years. It was such a relief to know it wasn’t my fault but I sure as heck didn’t want to take drugs for it. I’m hardly unique.

(I finally did and it was a whole now, glorious world. I’m lucky, I found a medication that does nothing more than let me live a normal life without feeling like I’m on a drug at all, except you can forget about taking a nap. The medications can be disastrous for others, especially if the doctor—or patient, parent or child--is not willing to work to find the right medication and dose.)

So now you put a bunch of young adults in a stressful situation and expect them to excel without what some have come to use as an aid to cope or simply concentrate. Smoking is not illegal. You want them to act like adults, treat them like adults. I want to see the results on down the line of what students turned to because they couldn’t smoke or vape. How many dropped out because they were busted smoking or couldn’t cope? One is one too many. :grr:

Humble apologies for the rant but this micro nanny crap really ticks me off. :glare: It's nothing more than discrimination disguised as political correctness.
 

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There was something that annoyed me about this beyond the obvious BS of these policies and it finally struck me; many people smoke because they have ADD/ADHD, whether they know it or not. Nicotine helps with it. It’s why I started smoking at 12-13 even though I didn’t like it. Took me decades to figure it out since I didn’t have a clue what was wrong with me and didn’t hear of ADD/ADHD for another 25-30 or so years. It was such a relief to know it wasn’t my fault but I sure as heck didn’t want to take drugs for it. I’m hardly unique.

(I finally did and it was a whole now, glorious world. I’m lucky, I found a medication that does nothing more than let me live a normal life without feeling like I’m on a drug at all, except you can forget about taking a nap. The medications can be disastrous for others, especially if the doctor—or patient, parent or child--is not willing to work to find the right medication and dose.)

So now you put a bunch of young adults in a stressful situation and expect them to excel without what some have come to use as an aid to cope or simply concentrate. Smoking is not illegal. You want them to act like adults, treat them like adults. I want to see the results on down the line of what students turned to because they couldn’t smoke or vape. How many dropped out because they were busted smoking or couldn’t cope? One is one too many. :grr:

Humble apologies for the rant but this micro nanny crap really ticks me off. :glare: It's nothing more than discrimination disguised as political correctness.

That's a point of view that most of us would never normally hear about. I'm glad you added it. Also, when any policy is created there is always a weighing of the opponents' power. Smokers in particular are stigmatized, so many believe (and have a reason to) that they can negatively sanction smokers at will. The vape community is grass roots enough, and diverse in population, to coalesce into a viable change agent. We have to educate the masses...


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