Good Afternoon guys, sorry for the question i know many like this one have been asked thousends of times but i have tried to figure it out for my self but having no luck,I have a Kr808 e cig i purchased from vaportalk and it has been quite good for the time i have had it but i have trouble purchasing the cartomisers in australia, its much easier to get the 510 attys, i want to upgrade my model to a Riva 510 but if im going to upgrade i want something that has more volts than 3.7 (the kr8708) is there a 510 starter kit that has a batter than can do this for me?if so can you supply a link thanks again!
Upgrade from the Kr808 to a 510?
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A 510 starter kit is usually only 180mah or so. The eGo's are closer to the 3.7. There are some vendors in Australia. Is that where you buy from now? If you want more volts you will need to go to mods. A Variable Volt would be really good. I'll look for links if you like and get back to you.
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http://www.ecigswarehouse.com.au/
here is one I have found
sas
http://www.ecigswarehouse.com.au/
here is one I have found
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Hi Unfix. welcome to ECF!
Most of the Rivas and Egos run at 3.2 volts, though the Riva SE is 3.7 volts. You'll likely need a mod to go higher than 3.7 volts, but most of the mods have 510 connections, so will be compatible with 510 atomizers. I'll let others who know about mods tell you about mods, but here's a link to a thread that has battery voltage measurements for the 510 models http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html
Most of the Rivas and Egos run at 3.2 volts, though the Riva SE is 3.7 volts. You'll likely need a mod to go higher than 3.7 volts, but most of the mods have 510 connections, so will be compatible with 510 atomizers. I'll let others who know about mods tell you about mods, but here's a link to a thread that has battery voltage measurements for the 510 models http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html
There's no Riva or eGo 5 volt but the best Riva is the Special Edition Riva that is a true 3.7volt. What I'd suggest for more voltage would be a 5 volt box mod from Ken.
I don't recommend cartos but if you want something different than the tank - try the mega eGo attys and carts - you have to buy the carts to match. There are two types - cylinder, 2.5ml and cone 1.5ml (same looks as the tank). The cylinder is what I'd choose since it holds 2.5ml of ejuice - better than most cartos and it's generally easier to fill - just drop into the cartridge. And it will last for 4 hours or longer - ymmv. They have LR in both types too. Available at many vendors - here's a good one:
5V Boxmod
or a variable volt mod like his Big Brother:
Big Brother Vari-Cool
As far as I know all 510 batteries, including the standards, megas, Egos, Tornados, Rivas, etc. are 3.7v but run at 3.2v under load.
The only exception I have heard of is the new Riva SE batteries, which run at 3.7v under load like the KR808s.
Don't forget that you can also use LR atties and cartos on Riva/eGo fat batteries. 3.2V with a 1.5ohm atty should vape quite nicely.
Do you necessarily need more voltage? I suspect that what you want is more power (i.e., intensity to the vape). More voltage is one way to get it. Lower resistance (i.e., LR atomizers and cartomizers) is another. For example, the LR 510, 306, and eGO atomizers on the Riva, all sold by that Ecigs Warehouse Australia, which Sugar and Spice mentioned. [The only other Australian supplier I happen to know of is Bozecig Electronic Cigarettes, because they are the first in the world to carry the Leo LR attys. Lucky you Aussies!]
wow i did not expect replies so fast! i just posted this!@ im glad to say im a happy new member going to post here quite often but not always questions lol,
So if you could use a Kr808 or a 510 what would you prefer? i know that most mods are made for 510's and in my op they look better
And i can always upgrade the batteries and buy LR atties, i might end up getting the Riva starter kit its not to expensive... and maybe one day if im not happy with the vapour production i will buy a aftermarket mod..
going to post here quite often but not always questions lol,So if you could use a Kr808 or a 510 what would you prefer? i know that most mods are made for 510's and in my op they look better
And i can always upgrade the batteries and buy LR atties, i might end up getting the Riva starter kit its not to expensive... and maybe one day if im not happy with the vapour production i will buy a aftermarket mod..
You are confused
510 180mah
510 mega xl 280mah
Ego/Riva 650mah+
They are all the same voltage and it's not 3.7 - it's somewhere lower in the 3's - 3.4? However, the fat battery models Ego and Riva etc can optionally use LR (low resistance) atomizers and cartomizers which will eat battery charge faster and give a hotter hit
KR808D-1 comes in 3 battery charge lengths 180mah 280mah 380mah (the 380s don't fit in the PCC)
KR808D-1 is 3.7 volts
The fat battery models may or may not be 3.7 volts (PigCig and Elegant Easy) but they can use LR (low resistance) cartomizers (or attys, most with adapter) for a hotter hit
I vape both slim models - 510 (and 510 mega xl) and KR808D-1 (Vapor4Life), all manuals, and I vape them both with cartos. I think the KR8 seems to have a hotter hit but less vapor using the Vapor4Life WOW cartos. however the WOW cartos are slightly lower resistance so expected to be hotter. I still have to try some Boge blanks on it. The 510 makes plenty of vapor with Boge cartos but not as warm a hit.
I actually vape both every day, carry both assembled with me, set both on my desk, and pick up whichever I feel like using. One juice I had (Vapor4Life WOWbacco) was actually too much TH for me on the KR8 so I vape that on the 510, and my Backwoods Brew Vanilla Bean can use its TH kicked up a bit so I vape it on the Vapor4Life KR8 w/ one of the V4L WOW cartos.
510 180mah
510 mega xl 280mah
Ego/Riva 650mah+
They are all the same voltage and it's not 3.7 - it's somewhere lower in the 3's - 3.4? However, the fat battery models Ego and Riva etc can optionally use LR (low resistance) atomizers and cartomizers which will eat battery charge faster and give a hotter hit
KR808D-1 comes in 3 battery charge lengths 180mah 280mah 380mah (the 380s don't fit in the PCC)
KR808D-1 is 3.7 volts
The fat battery models may or may not be 3.7 volts (PigCig and Elegant Easy) but they can use LR (low resistance) cartomizers (or attys, most with adapter) for a hotter hit
I vape both slim models - 510 (and 510 mega xl) and KR808D-1 (Vapor4Life), all manuals, and I vape them both with cartos. I think the KR8 seems to have a hotter hit but less vapor using the Vapor4Life WOW cartos. however the WOW cartos are slightly lower resistance so expected to be hotter. I still have to try some Boge blanks on it. The 510 makes plenty of vapor with Boge cartos but not as warm a hit.
I actually vape both every day, carry both assembled with me, set both on my desk, and pick up whichever I feel like using. One juice I had (Vapor4Life WOWbacco) was actually too much TH for me on the KR8 so I vape that on the 510, and my Backwoods Brew Vanilla Bean can use its TH kicked up a bit so I vape it on the Vapor4Life KR8 w/ one of the V4L WOW cartos.
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I said my Kr808 is 3.7, not the 510 plz read... any way who cares all im really asking is it worth upgrading to a 510? do they produce more vapor?
The amount of vapor is a function of how much VG is in the juice, and the POWER of the atomizer/battery combination...
In my opinion, a standard 510 battery running at 3.2v under load with a standard 2.4ohm atomizer produces more vapor than a 3.7v KR808 battery with whatever ohm their standard cartomizers run at. But you can get different 510 atomizers with different resistances, and get more or less vapor. And you can probably get different resistance cartomizers for the KR808 as well, but I'm not sure.
There comes a point where the power is too great, and it starts to make the juice taste a little burnt.
For a better understanding of power, voltage, and resistance, which are the REAL basics of vaping, read this...
WWV Part II (page 5) | Vaping Guides
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then yeah i might just get the Riva 510, its cheap i just hope its reliable.
Thank you guys for all of your help i now understand it all a lot better,
Also that e cig warehouse site... its pretty bad as they never have Kr808 carts in lol. and the sucky thing about aus is the juices cant have nicotine in them so i have a 120 mill bottle of 100mg nicotine in the desk lol i mix my own..
Thank you guys for all of your help i now understand it all a lot better,
Also that e cig warehouse site... its pretty bad as they never have Kr808 carts in lol. and the sucky thing about aus is the juices cant have nicotine in them so i have a 120 mill bottle of 100mg nicotine in the desk lol i mix my own..
I was calling the OP confused - my bad. I did not see he was saying RIVA.
This here says Ego is 3.4 volts as have many people on this forum
"The battery of the basic version is 650 mAh – significantly greater than any skinny e-cig battery (even the XLs and Megas) … and it is greater than the wimpier mods at 340 mAh (they look neat with all those lights, but at ~$100?). The voltage, however, is only 3.4V: slightly more than the 3.2V Joye 510, but less than the 801, 901, or especially the 3.7V Kr8."
Egos and Rivas, Hellos, Oh My! | Vaping Guides
I cannot answer the vapor thing other than 510+Boge soft cap standard resistance carto seems to make more vapor than KR8 with a vapor4life wow carto. If I put a Boge carto on the KR8 and use the same exact juice, maybe it will make the same vapor or more. But those V4L WOW cartos are wound very tight and the Coolcarts don't give me much more vapor than the WOW carts. Maybe the Boge blanks are the key to better vapor. I don't know yet.
I would consider a 510 a sideways step from KR808D-1. A 510 also has less battery charge than a standard KR8 - you need 510 mega xl batteries to be the same charge as KR8 standard. The best thing about the 510 IMO is the totally sealed end on the manual batteries and the upgrade path to Ego/Riva 510. I enjoy vaping both 510 and KR8.
I think an upgrade would be to Ego or Riva or anything else that can use all of the LR attys and cartos. If you want higher voltage than 3.4 (Ego) or 3.7 (KR8) then you need to go to 5-volt mods which I don't know anything about. But you can get a similar effect by using LR atomizers and cartos on an Ego or Riva (or KR8 fat battery versions PigCig or Elegant Easy). Less resistance attys/cartos on same battery voltage = hotter hit. With high voltage devices you can pop LR stuff so you use standard resistance stuff on higher voltage = hotter hit.
This here says Ego is 3.4 volts as have many people on this forum
"The battery of the basic version is 650 mAh – significantly greater than any skinny e-cig battery (even the XLs and Megas) … and it is greater than the wimpier mods at 340 mAh (they look neat with all those lights, but at ~$100?). The voltage, however, is only 3.4V: slightly more than the 3.2V Joye 510, but less than the 801, 901, or especially the 3.7V Kr8."
Egos and Rivas, Hellos, Oh My! | Vaping Guides
I cannot answer the vapor thing other than 510+Boge soft cap standard resistance carto seems to make more vapor than KR8 with a vapor4life wow carto. If I put a Boge carto on the KR8 and use the same exact juice, maybe it will make the same vapor or more. But those V4L WOW cartos are wound very tight and the Coolcarts don't give me much more vapor than the WOW carts. Maybe the Boge blanks are the key to better vapor. I don't know yet.
I would consider a 510 a sideways step from KR808D-1. A 510 also has less battery charge than a standard KR8 - you need 510 mega xl batteries to be the same charge as KR8 standard. The best thing about the 510 IMO is the totally sealed end on the manual batteries and the upgrade path to Ego/Riva 510. I enjoy vaping both 510 and KR8.
I think an upgrade would be to Ego or Riva or anything else that can use all of the LR attys and cartos. If you want higher voltage than 3.4 (Ego) or 3.7 (KR8) then you need to go to 5-volt mods which I don't know anything about. But you can get a similar effect by using LR atomizers and cartos on an Ego or Riva (or KR8 fat battery versions PigCig or Elegant Easy). Less resistance attys/cartos on same battery voltage = hotter hit. With high voltage devices you can pop LR stuff so you use standard resistance stuff on higher voltage = hotter hit.
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man i can not make up my mind, i think the real reason i wanted to upgrade is because the look of the Kr808 is so simple, ( i have the revolution Kr808 from vaportalk) but i do admit it produces Great vapor. so truth be told i think i am just bored of it.. i might just buy some more low res cartomisers for it and wait untill it dies unless any one wants to buy one
IMO, going to a 510 from a KR808D-1 would be a downgrade ... UNLESS you're going to a 510 big battery mod. A fully charged 18650 delivers about 4V and a single battery lasts ALL day (for me) while using LR atomizers.
True that the voltage declines though the day. But, mine hold onto more than a standard 510 battery until bedtime, and recharging.
True that the voltage declines though the day. But, mine hold onto more than a standard 510 battery until bedtime, and recharging.
Yeah sorry i think i worded my post wrong, a 510 Riva. i think thats a bigger battery? is it not? I've looked at the Volcano "inferno" and wow looks crazy but expensive
18650 and other "mod" batteries have the same characteristics as good kr8 batteries -- they charge to 4.2V and the first couple hits off the charger will be in the 4-4.2V range, but they quickly drop to a steady 3.7V for most of their charge. Thus I would agree -- a mod with a 3.7V battery using a 510 connection is the best of both worlds.
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