Urgent E-smokers Unite!

[Krakkan]

Well we know the FDA has begun its propaganda engine... We need to hit back. I am calling for the entire ECF community to attack back for every NEWS article you find comment and post the Truth.

Tell them how every NRT has the carcinogens that the FDA found in E-cigs but the FDA failed to report that today.

Tell them about the NZ Studies "Here is link for NZ"

Tell them what E-cigs have done for you.

Email the writers of the articles if have to spread the Truth.

Check out this Blog for more info on how to retort the Lies set forth in this smear campaign.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

Vendors / ECA / Vapors Club / RtV we need as many of us to gather together put our differences behind us and start a major campaign to stop the ommissions of truth that the FDA is using to destroy E-cigs..



Please post here any ideas and plans to help us fight back against this tyranny....

 

[Krakkan]

By tomorrow the FDA will have damaged the image of the E-cig to millions --- we need to do damage control as much as possible -- please help if can...

 

[Krakkan]

Ok trying to find as many articles as possible to debunk -- please help as I am only one person get out and spread the word guys -- email those writers

 

[chad]

I think we also need to inundate our senators and representatives with mail. Email has the least impact, faxes and phone calls are ok, but snail mail is best.

Contact your representative.

Contact your senator.

Have everyone you know send a letter - even if they're the same letter, the more they receive the more they must take notice. Tell them how PVs have helped you, tell them you don't want your private choice infringed upon, tell them to get out of your life. Whatever it is you feel, tell them loud and clear!

 

[Bones]

I think we also need to inundate our senators and representatives with mail. Email has the least impact, faxes and phone calls are ok, but snail mail is best.

Contact your representative.

Contact your senator.

Have everyone you know send a letter - even if they're the same letter, the more they receive the more they must take notice. Tell them how PVs have helped you, tell them you don't want your private choice infringed upon, tell them to get out of your life. Whatever it is you feel, tell them loud and clear!

This is a media battle - Those guys don't give a flying F---- - Krakkan is right - This is about getting the story out (THE WHOLE STORY) to the masses - Senators and Congressmen don't even read the Bills they sign -

 

[Krakkan]

The FDA is looking to wipe E-cigs by first destroying the image then IF they win case an all out Ban. The TRUTH will make it 10 times harder for them to justify it in the public's eye they waited this long for fear of the rebuttal but they are playing hardball.

 

[chad]

This is a media battle - Those guys don't give a flying F---- - Krakkan is right - This is about getting the story out (THE WHOLE STORY) to the masses - Senators and Congressmen don't even read the Bills they sign -

I agree with Krakkan as well. But attacks have to be multi-pronged. Legislators make laws and they do listen to people who wont shut up about their problems. While perception is the focus in the near term, the long term battle will be a legal one. Legislators might not read the bills they sign but the certainly pay attention to the pulse of their constituents - after all, that's what keeps them in office.

 

[Vista Chris]

Well we know the FDA has begun its propaganda engine... We need to hit back. I am calling for the entire ECF community to attack back for every NEWS article you find comment and post the Truth.

Tell them how every NRT has the carcinogens that the FDA found in E-cigs but the FDA failed to report that today.

Tell them about the NZ Studies "Here is link for NZ"

Tell them what E-cigs have done for you.

Email the writers of the articles if have to spread the Truth.

Check out this Blog for more info on how to retort the Lies set forth in this smear campaign.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

Vendors / ECA / Vapors Club / RtV we need as many of us to gather together put our differences behind us and start a major campaign to stop the ommissions of truth that the FDA is using to destroy E-cigs..



Please post here any ideas and plans to help us fight back against this tyranny....

I'm on it and will have it up on our blog by daybreak.

I'm going to try to separate it into a few smaller chunks for easier reading.

Keep it coming guys.

 

[Bones]

I agree with Krakkan as well. But attacks have to be multi-pronged. Legislators make laws and they do listen to people who wont shut up about their problems. While perception is the focus in the near term, the long term battle will be a legal one. Legislators might not read the bills they sign but the certainly pay attention to the pulse of their constituents - after all, that's what keeps them in office.

Yea but that is the problem here - There are not enough e-smokers to sway an election - They respond to Media Pressure even more - They hate bad press because then the numbers increase - This isn't even on their radar yet - Many of us have already written them and gotten form letters from interns in return - I wrote my congressmen - and the president - and the FDA - and Judge Leon - Not saying don't write them - Just that this is not the focus at this time - Must get the other side of the story out NOW! They watch the news too -

It is very late and I am very mad - So in the morning when my head is clear and I can think better I will be hitting the "News" guys - I have pretty good feelings about Brian Williams - He's first on my list - He was just on the Daily Show last night talking about how he has always wanted to be like Walter Cronkite - Now is his chance to prove it -

And that's the way it is!

 

[Krakkan]

Yea but that is the problem here - There are not enough e-smokers to sway an election - They respond to Media Pressure even more - They hate bad press because then the numbers increase - This isn't even on their radar yet - Many of us have already written them and gotten form letters from interns in return - I wrote both of my congressmen - and the president - and the FDA - and Judge Leon - Not saying don't write them - Just that this is not the focus at this time - Must get the other side of the story out NOW! They watch the news too -

It is very late and I am very mad - So in the morning when my head is clear and I can think better I will be hitting the "News" guys - I have pretty good feelings about Brian Williams - He's first on my list - He was just on the Daily Show last night talking about how he has always wanted to be like Walter Cronkite - Now is his chance to prove it -

And that's the way it is!

Great this will help immensely -- Do we have any other writers I will pay for press releases etc if we can get some more articles written.

Anyone know of any other lab results that haven't been posted? We need copies of everyone from manufacturers to suppliers if you get your liquid/carts tested or have in past please provide links will help me throw information back at them.

 

[Krakkan]

Information gathered by forum user Theillustratedman:

I'm going to go ahead an repost this here, because I think that it's incredibly important to have figures and facts when debating this issue.

First we have the press release (thanks Krakken):

Next is the FDA Safety Alert:


Some portions of that are debatable. Some are not. Here are the facts:

Regarding Diethylene Glycol:

Looking at the Health New Zealand study¹, the presence of Diethylene Glycol was not tested for. They seem to have based their tests on manufacturer ingredient lists and known tobacco carcinogens.
So what is Diethylene Glycol? The MSDS² shows that chronic exposure to Diethylene Glycol can cause lesions on the liver and kidneys, as well as damage to the same organs. In the case of inhalation, the only first aid recommended is removal from the source to fresh air. The toxicalogical information is as follows:



This shows that Diethylene Glycol is not a known carcinogen, nor is it expected to be found as one in the future. In addition, the dose required to kill half of the sample of rats tested is 12.565 g/kg and 11.89 g/kg for rabbits. Assuming this can be extended to humans, an average adult male would have to ingest 855.925 g to receive a lethal dose.
Is Diethylene Glycol the main ingredient in antifreeze? The EPA³ has this to say about antifreeze variations:



Ethylene Glycol is the main ingredient in antifreeze. While straight antifreeze is toxic, the main hazard is from used antifreeze, which absorbs heavy metals.

What about Nitrosamines? Nitrosamines are carcinogens. tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) are found in the liquid used by Ruyan in their cartridges. According to the Health New Zealand report¹, the amount increases with the amount of nicotine, and the average is 3.928 Ng (or parts per billion [ppb]). The breakdown is as follows:



The highest amount found was in 16mg liquid, which had an average of 8.183 Ng. In comparison, Nicorette Gum (which is approved as an NRT) contains about 8 Ng. To put that number into perspective, Swedish moist snuff contains between 1000 and 2400 ppb nitrosamines, and unburned tobacco from cigarettes contains around 1230 ppb.

¹ http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf
² DIETHYLENE GLYCOL
³ Antifreeze | Common Wastes & Materials | US EPA

Please use this however you can to campaign for our cause.

-Nate

 

[chad]

Yea but that is the problem here - There are not enough e-smokers to sway an election - They respond to Media Pressure even more - They hate bad press because then the numbers increase - This isn't even on their radar yet - Many of us have already written them and gotten form letters from interns in return - I wrote my congressmen - and the president - and the FDA - and Judge Leon - Not saying don't write them - Just that this is not the focus at this time - Must get the other side of the story out NOW! They watch the news too -

It is very late and I am very mad - So in the morning when my head is clear and I can think better I will be hitting the "News" guys - I have pretty good feelings about Brian Williams - He's first on my list - He was just on the Daily Show last night talking about how he has always wanted to be like Walter Cronkite - Now is his chance to prove it -

And that's the way it is!

I know were on the same side of the battle here but your argument works the other way as well. There aren't enough e-smokers for the media to care. What incentive does Brian Williams have to show "the other side of the story" of a few people angry that the big, bad FDA banned their battery powered cigarettes from China?

I totally agree with the fact that we need to get the "whole story" out and I am happy to help write press releases too.

My main points are:

1) As the thread title states - we need to unite. That is, everyone needs to participate.

2) The ways of getting our message out are not mutually exclusive - you've written your congressmen but many people have not. The same info going into press releases and media messages can go into letters to congressmen as well. Shotguns hit more than lasers do. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Krakkan]

I know were on the same side of the battle here but your argument works the other way as well. There aren't enough e-smokers for the media to care. What incentive does Brian Williams have to show "the other side of the story" of a few people angry that the big, bad FDA banned their battery powered cigarettes from China?

I totally agree with the fact that we need to get the "whole story" out and I am happy to help write press releases too.

My main points are:

1) As the thread title states - we need to unite. That is, everyone needs to participate.

2) The ways of getting our message out are not mutually exclusive - you've written your congressmen but many people have not. The same info going into press releases and media messages can go into letters to congressmen as well. Shotguns hit more than lasers do. That's all I'm saying.

Laser guns shoot further I win

Boge Ingredients and Safety data on my website under links section if need here is JPG for suppliers if you buy Dekang/Boge

 

[Krakkan]

"Diethylene glycol has low acute toxicity in animal experiments...much less toxic than its relative ethylene glycol."

 

[Krakkan]

Boge MSDS Sheets

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0029/3782/files/MBoro_MSDS_2_of_2.pdf?1248335713

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0029/3782/files/SGS-SDS_MSDS_1_of_2.pdf?1248335713

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Don't know if this helps, but anyone who wants can link into my blog: Vick's Vapor Blog where I do some debunking on their favorite arguements.....and I will be putting up another blog article on this latest turn of events very soon (as soon as I can get the time to write it!)

Also, Southeastern Wisconsin will be running a news spot on our E-Cigs this Friday @ 10:00 - the timing couldn't be better - I'm hoping it will be a positive article, and it was to be a full feature, not just a little blurb.... WTMJ4 is the channel for any and all in the area interested.

 

[bri1270]

What about trying to get in touch with someone like Geraldo or another person that likes to stir the pot when it comes to the government...I really don't care which side of the isle he or she is on at the moment.

 

[tee217]

I'm on in this fight. I posted the truth on 6 store bulletin boards today.

 

[gpdo24]

Well we know the FDA has begun its propaganda engine... We need to hit back. I am calling for the entire ECF community to attack back for every NEWS article you find comment and post the Truth.

Tell them how every NRT has the carcinogens that the FDA found in E-cigs but the FDA failed to report that today.

Tell them about the NZ Studies "Here is link for NZ"

Tell them what E-cigs have done for you.

Email the writers of the articles if have to spread the Truth.

Check out this Blog for more info on how to retort the Lies set forth in this smear campaign.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

Vendors / ECA / Vapors Club / RtV we need as many of us to gather together put our differences behind us and start a major campaign to stop the ommissions of truth that the FDA is using to destroy E-cigs..



Please post here any ideas and plans to help us fight back against this tyranny....

Fantastic post....TY...& Dr. Siegle for The Rest Of The Story
greatly abated my shakes from reading the anxiety thread.
Mike
Figures i just received some 555 today...not from se... so here goes

 

[iiell]

I've already emailed all my elected officials, only one responded. I plan to write letters as well.