US Smoking Deaths Again Rise

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How appropriate. There is an ad for toilet tissue embedded in the story.

Among all current and former smokers, the greatest increase in risk of a tobacco-related death occurred between the ages of 65 and 74.

*Phew* :p

Good thing I quit at the age of 63. Now if the death rate is triple for continuing smokers in the 65 to 74 age bracket, is that per year? I mean, did I cut my chances of dying down by 67% for 2009 , and by another 67% for 2010? Or does the savings have to wait until I turned 65 to begin?

All this is giving me a headache. I'm thinking this guy Rostran is too calculating, if you get my drift.
 
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There is one breath of fresh air from CA Please thank this very HONORABLE mayor for speaking the truth.
Santee Mayor Explains City's 'F for Freedom' Tobacco Grade - Santee, CA Patch
Santee Mayor Explains City's 'F for Freedom' tobacco Grade

The American Lung Assoc. gives Santee a failing grade for tobacco control, the Mayor responds.
By Randy Voepel |

They may see it as a grade of "F" from their perspective, as our being graded a failure; I see this grade of "F" from our perspective as being the highest grade for "FREEDOM" we could earn. In Santee we believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our City Council thinks long and hard before we restrict or take away one's freedom. If a smoker wants to blast their lungs out on cigarettes, that's their choice. If someone wants to light up in a park or public are, that's fine, if someone else complains, I expect the smoker to move away or put the thing out. We do allow smoking in public places, restaurants have the freedom to pick or choose having patio smoking, their FREEDOM of choice.
Youths that buy tobacco products are in violation of current law (Santee enforces tobacco and booze laws aggressively, Shoulder Tap program, etc.). We enforce the laws now and don't need a new tax on merchants to extort money from them, that's why we don't raise taxes in Santee, especially sales tax.
Multi-unit housing is private property. The property owners have the FREEDOM to set the smoking policy as they see fit. If renters don't like the policy, they move out or not rent in the first place. If it would give an owner competitive advantage, maybe they would have no-smoking units. The ALA is asking me to endorse having 75 percent of rental units as non-smoking by law. I would never pass a law either way! My bottom line in we don't need municipal government to play Nanny.
Freedom of choice means a lot to Santee. If a smoker is rude or uncaring, I expect the person taking offense, to communicate with the rude one, and the rude one to once again move on or put it out. You may have all the laws in the world; ultimately it boils down to human interaction.

Respectfully submitted,
Randy Voepel
Mayor, The Freedom loving City of Santee
 

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Among all current and former smokers, the greatest increase in risk of a tobacco-related death occurred between the ages of 65 and 74.

Notice that he is saying tobacco-related deaths and not smoking-related deaths, this gives the impression that all tobacco products will increase your risk of death as much as smoking does.
 

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There will always be negative articles for airborne contaminants. Why don't we outlaw fossil fuel based automobiles? I guess it's too convenient for non-smokers to putt putt around spewing death in the form of carbon monoxide while putting the stamp of disapproval on smoking, not to mention Ecigs, which infuriate them to no end. Most tobacco nazis include Ecigs because the ecig just extends the look of the smoking habit they hate.

Never mind that there's no evidence that vaping is a medical problem. Articles like the recent one from the UK where a doctor implicated electronic cigarettes in the death of a former smoker who had quit and started using Ecigs don't help the cause. We need some unbiased and highly regarded testing to prove what we think we know about ecigs.
 

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The other news out at the moment is that lung cancer may also be caused by an STD called HPV (i.e. a cause which has no relation to smoking). The study is spun as being news, but actually there have been studies that suggesting this for decades. Of course, with the anti-smoking movement diverting money from research to propoganda there's not been less money spent on actually researching the cause of lung cancer than could have been.
 

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Did someone die? Did the deceased smoke? Yes. Well, there you have it. Another smoking caused death.

Only half the question. If you got a negative to the smoking question, the follow up is "Did they ever smoke?" If yes, "Did they smoke more than 99 cigarettes?" That has been the standard used to establish the deaths attributed to smoking mortality. Of course, with the SG's proclamation this year the questions might change to one, "Had the deceased ever smelled a cigarette?". Now the war can be escalated.
 

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The other news out at the moment is that lung cancer may also be caused by an STD called HPV (i.e. a cause which has no relation to smoking). The study is spun as being news, but actually there have been studies that suggesting this for decades. Of course, with the anti-smoking movement diverting money from research to propoganda there's not been less money spent on actually researching the cause of lung cancer than could have been.

HPV has also been linked to growths on the larynx and to cervical cancer.

Human papillomavirus (pap-ah-LO-mah-VYE-rus) (HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted virus in the United States. At least 50% of sexually active people will have genital HPV at some time in their lives.
http://www.cdc.gov/hpv/

Weird that cancer death rates are going down but deaths attributable to smoking are going up. What are the smokers (supposedly) dying of? Or did the bean-counters increasing the death rates from smoking miss the announcement that cancer deaths are down?
 
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Another interesting and recent study is the Vanderbilt study of menthol cigarettes which found, "Among people smoking 20 or more cigarettes a day, menthol smokers were approximately 12 times more likely to develop lung cancer than never-smokers, while non-menthol smokers were about 21 times more likely to have the disease. The differences were mirrored for lung cancer death rates and were found to be statistically significant.

The researchers also found that both white and black menthol smokers reported smoking fewer cigarettes per day than non-menthol smokers. When it comes to the likelihood of quitting smoking, there was no significant difference between menthol and non-menthol smokers.

The authors conclude that the findings suggest menthol cigarettes are no more, and perhaps less, harmful than non-menthol cigarettes."
So, menthol cigarettes are LESS harmful than regular smokes and menthol smokers smoke LESS than regular smokers if this study is accurate, YET the anti-smokers are demanding a ban on menthol. I guess the eugenists are less transparent than they would like to be. Vanderbilt University Medical Center - Vanderbilt and Meharry study finds mentholated cigarettes no more harmful than non-mentholated brands
 

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My mom just went into the hospital yesterday after taking a fall, she's 92. I was there answering as many of the questions that I knew. Of course one of them was "has she ever smoked?" Mow I have no idea whether she "ever" smoked since I never asked and she had 29 years before I was born as well as I wasn't around when she was young and stupid or when she was Rosie the Riveter while dad was fighting the war in Brazil ( I think he was there before the German's showed up. Now I'm sure he got added into the body count because for a time he'd have a cigar once in a while and smoked a pipe for awhile.

However, I wasn't going to even let them add her to their soon to be 3/4m death count (almost reminds me of the kill rates announced in Viet Nam). She has a hard time remembering what she did yesterday let alone 75 years ago. However, if they checked that box and her heart stopped beating in another 10 years, it would have been smoke related, I would guess.

Sheri, sounds like they're banning the wrong smokes. I think I could have quit smoking if my only choice was menthol. At worst, I would have smoked a lot less. I wouldn't smoke one if I forgot or ran out and menrgol was the only option.
 
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Sheri, sounds like they're banning the wrong smokes. I think I could have quit smoking if my only choice was menthol. At worst, I would have smoked a lot less. I wouldn't smoke one if I forgot or ran out and menrgol was the only option.
Yet, the anti-smokers will claim that menthol is the magic poison that gets "the children" and in their underhanded racist way, the African-Americans addicted to smoking. Anti-smokers tell so many lies that surely they will start to unravel very soon. Of all groups who ever displayed the philosophy of George Orwell, the anti-smokers could be the poster child for 1984. Take a look at the Newspeak dictionary sometime and see if their propaganda does not match what Orwell feared. The Complete Newspeak Dictionary from George Orwell's 1984
 

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Better example, even though "Doublespeak" is not an official Newspeak term.

Doublespeak - Deliberately ambiguous or evasive language; any language that pretends to communicate but actually does not.

One way to achieve this is to slip an unrelated sentence into a paragraph, which gives the reader the false impression that the sentence is related to the others.

PEDIATRICS (doi:10.1542/peds.2009-2835)

Unintentional Child Poisonings Through Ingestion of Conventional and Novel Tobacco Products

Gregory N. Connolly, DMD, MPHa, Patricia Richter, PhDb, Alfred Aleguas, Jr, PharmDc, Terry F. Pechacek, PhDb, Stephen B. Stanfill, MSd, Hillel R. Alpert, ScMa

Results: A total of 13705 tobacco product ingestion cases were reported, >70% of which involved infants <1 year of age. Smokeless tobacco products were the second most common tobacco products ingested by children, after cigarettes, and represented an increasing proportion of tobacco ingestions with each year of age from 0 to 5 years (odds ratio: 1.94 [95% confidence interval: 1.86–2.03]). A novel, dissolvable, smokeless tobacco product with discreet form, candy-like appearance, and added flavorings was found to contain an average of 0.83 mg of nicotine per pellet, with an average pH of 7.9, which resulted in an average of 42% of the nicotine in the un-ionized form.

Carefully read that last sentence. Since the rest of the paragraph is discussing products that poison children, you would assume that the novel, dissolvable, yada yada candy-like product discussed in the last sentence has been shown to poison children, would you not? Read it again. All it is telling you is the quantity of nicotine that has been measured in the product. It says nothing about the products causing any poisoning.

Methods:
Accidental poisonings resulting from ingestion of tobacco products by children <6 years of age during the period 2006–2008.
Multiple packs of Camel orbs were measured for nicotine content.

Results: Age-and gender-specific case frequencies for each tobacco product type, including smokeless tobacco (chewing tobacco and snuff), cigarettes and used filter tips, cigars, and others, are shown in Table 1.

What is missing from Table 1?

The Categories in the table include:
Smokeless tobacco - 1,768
Cigarettes and filter tips - 10,573
Cigars - 187
Other/unknown type - 1,197

Recall that "Smokeless tobacco" includes chewing tobacco and snuff.

The Discussion goes on to desrcribe the new dissolvable products.

Connolly and his cronies cleverly give the impression that the dissolvable products are included in the poisoning data, lumped into the second largest category, "Smokeless tobacco" which has the second largest total. However, there was no count being kept of dissolvables, and the Camel orbs targeted in their little project did not even come onto the market until 2009. They conventiently forgot to mention that pharmaceutical nicotine products caused many more poisoning cases than the smokeless tobacco products.

In fact, the only documented cases the authors can cite that can be specifically linked to the "novel tobacco products" are cited in the article: "At least 1 case of ingestion of Orbs by a 3-year-old child (Oregon Poison Control Center, personal written and oral communication, July 27, 2009) and 2 cases of mild poisonings in children 2 and 3 years of age resulting from ingestion of snus (a flavored, oral, tobacco product packed in small paper pouches and sold without explicit warning to protect against child ingestion)."

So when we finally get around to discussing these products, which are not included in the shocking statistics for smokeless products, all they could find was one case for an orb! Big Whoop.

Then there is the dig at the end that the products may create addiction among youths. Hmm... if that hasn't happened with Commit lozenges or Nicorette gum, why would it happen with these products?
 
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I mentioned this several weeks ago. There are huge budgetary battles going on in most all of the states and many states are reducing their budget allocations for smoking prevention/education and cessation programs and diverting those funds to obesity programs. It was easily predictable that the anti-smoking groups would engage in stepping up their propaganda through fearmongering by inflating, or in many cases just plain making up, "increasing death tolls."

They really are not concerned as to whether or not their fraudulent figures are refuted or not because: a) publicizing the scare tactics still has impact-refuted or not; b) very few people, especially the majority, who are against smoking anyway, concern themselves with fact-checking; and c) they have calculated that they still have the majority of the population on their side when it comes to smoking, they have not really taken any meaningful hit, if at all, in terms of their credibility despite decades of disseminating falsehoods, misrepresentations, and fearmongering mythology, and, in the end, they believe "all is fair" in the war for funding.

With all that is currently "on the plate" in our country and absent any concerted and powerful pushback against the rhetoric, it is highly unlikely that any of the anti-smoking organizations are going to be called to account for their deceptive practices.
 
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