Using higher nicotine liquid limits options?

[Juwlz068]

Hi, I began vaping almost two weeks ago. I purchased the Elead Icare. It was great for the first week, but now it is leaking from the top, from the bottom, and today it ruined my second shirt so suffice it to say, I am in the market for something better.

I was researching and trying to decide what model I should buy and I have noticed that almost
all of the "best" units recommended for a novice also state that if I shouldn't use the device with an eliquid containing over 6mg of nicotine.

Since I began vaping two weeks ago, I have gone from smoking over a pack (plus at least 2 vuse cartridges) a day to not touching a ciggerette since the moment I opened my Icare.
That being said, I had been advised by the vape store guys that I should be using 18mg eliquid to start out. I am planning on weaning down my nicotine levels over time, but jumping from 18 to 6 seems like it may not be workable(plus, I already bought my coconut cream, icebreaker, teddy crack, and about five other flavors in either 16 or 18mg nicotine strength I need to finish off first lol)

So my question is, does anyone here use a system that is better than my leaky eleaf Icare and also use a higher nicotine level liquid? I have been researching a lot of different devices and I do have a lot of questions about them, but I am sure most of my other questions are things that people have already asked and will scour the board for those answers instead of annoyingly repeating them on this post..

so my main question is, I am having a hard time finding a vape that is an improvement from my current Icare, that is compatible with my high nicotine level liquid usage. I am trying to learn about the more complex vape systems, but for now I am looking for an all-in-one type unit. From what I read, kangertech subvod or Joyetech eGo would be a slight improvement from the Icare BUT I have read warnings against using them with anything above 6mg nicotine

So, for a new girl looking into something better than Icare but not ready for the big leagues,
is there even an option? What is interesting is my vape guy had me sold on buying the Kangertech dripbox, like I was actually planning on going to just buy that tonight but decided to do some research first, and it also states that it isnt recommended for over 6mg of nicotine (and it looks to be a bit complicated for a beginner but maybe it just sounds more complicated than it is?)

For those using higher nicotine liquids, what are you using? And, should I listen to the warnings against using the devices I mentioned with my 18mg liquid or do people use higher nicotine in these with few issues?

Thanks to anyone who read this, I know its a novel..My fiance had been interested in vaping and could of probably helped me navigate all of this but he recently passed away and I find myself having issues trusting my judgement so I am hoping maybe someone could let me know what they use and experience

 

[mikepetro]

My personal opinion, is use whatever strength keeps you off the stinkies!!!

I still vape 36mg, on heavy duty devices. I havent smoked in 4 years.

Dont worry about the nic level, use whatever it takes. Many of the Pod Mods like Juul use 50mg.

Sorry, I dont have any recommendations for an atty, I have been using rebuildables for a long time and am out of touch.

 

[Spencer87]

some of the higher powered devices allow for a higher concentration of liquid to be vaporized at the the same time.

Lets look at this... I dont wanna do math so Ill put it in terms even I could understand.

If you vape 1x at 18 mg.... Or you vape at 6mg but with each puff you get use 3x as much juice the level of nicotine remains similar....

make a move down to 12...eventually youll have to move down to 6... but I see what youre going through. Buy some six and see what happens. you may be surprised that it isnt that difficult... anyways... buy some six, keep some 18 on hand for if the cravings get really bad....

 

[batteredwombat]

Get a 250w device, a tfv12 tank with octocouple coils, and some 36mg of blue cheese juice and your cravings will be gone forever. jk. spencer put it correctly. I moved from 18 to 12, then I keep 6mg for my kayfun tank on the road and 3mg for my rdas at home. Mostly my devices did the moving down for me, as 3mg can even nicotine sick me with some of my rdas.

 

[go_player]

It depends a lot on your setup. The trend these days is toward setups that allow you to vape a _lot_ of liquid very quickly. Because you can vape so much so quickly with them, the nicotine levels used are lower. I'm not sure I think these are the best setups for people just transitioning from cigarettes to vaping.

Nothing against squonking or really sub-ohm RBAs, but my guess is that you'd be best off with a decent simple box-mod, a good Mouth-To-Lung tank with good and readily available factory coils, and fairly high nicotine juice. One setup like that that I happen to own and use regularly is an iStick Pico with a Nautilus 2. Fair warning: some people have trouble with the Nautilus 2 leaking and gurgling. I've found that over-tightening its coils just a bit solves that, but YMMV.

You'll have to experiment with nicotine levels. My opinion is that it's better to go a bit high at first, just high enough that you can really feel the nicotine, but not so high that you feel actually ill. What that means for you is going to depend a lot on how well you tolerate nicotine (that varies a lot from person to person, I think,) and on your gear. In an MTL tank 18 mg is probably a good starting point for a serious smoker, but it might be too high for you. You'll know pretty quickly if it is. It might even be a bit low. And it might be that you need different strengths at different times- especially right before bed, or you might wind up up all night like I am right now .

 

[Oomee]

I am newly back into vaping and vape higher nic levels (around 20mg).
I use a Bellus RTA and Sigeile 213 at 10 watts.
Been a couple of weeks now and will be lowering the nic content this week.

Bellus has been great, found it easy to set up, and the only leaks are a very small amount only just after filling.
The 213 Fuchai too has been good, it goes up to 80Watt, although I have no interest in cloud chasing hence the 10Watt. Not only do the batteries last longer at lower wattage, people don't complain too.

 

[Ca Ike]

Hi, I began vaping almost two weeks ago. I purchased the Elead Icare. It was great for the first week, but now it is leaking from the top, from the bottom, and today it ruined my second shirt so suffice it to say, I am in the market for something better.

I was researching and trying to decide what model I should buy and I have noticed that almost
all of the "best" units recommended for a novice also state that if I shouldn't use the device with an eliquid containing over 6mg of nicotine.

Since I began vaping two weeks ago, I have gone from smoking over a pack (plus at least 2 vuse cartridges) a day to not touching a ciggerette since the moment I opened my Icare.
That being said, I had been advised by the vape store guys that I should be using 18mg eliquid to start out. I am planning on weaning down my nicotine levels over time, but jumping from 18 to 6 seems like it may not be workable(plus, I already bought my coconut cream, icebreaker, teddy crack, and about five other flavors in either 16 or 18mg nicotine strength I need to finish off first lol)

So my question is, does anyone here use a system that is better than my leaky eleaf Icare and also use a higher nicotine level liquid? I have been researching a lot of different devices and I do have a lot of questions about them, but I am sure most of my other questions are things that people have already asked and will scour the board for those answers instead of annoyingly repeating them on this post..

so my main question is, I am having a hard time finding a vape that is an improvement from my current Icare, that is compatible with my high nicotine level liquid usage. I am trying to learn about the more complex vape systems, but for now I am looking for an all-in-one type unit. From what I read, kangertech subvod or Joyetech eGo would be a slight improvement from the Icare BUT I have read warnings against using them with anything above 6mg nicotine

So, for a new girl looking into something better than Icare but not ready for the big leagues,
is there even an option? What is interesting is my vape guy had me sold on buying the Kangertech dripbox, like I was actually planning on going to just buy that tonight but decided to do some research first, and it also states that it isnt recommended for over 6mg of nicotine (and it looks to be a bit complicated for a beginner but maybe it just sounds more complicated than it is?)

For those using higher nicotine liquids, what are you using? And, should I listen to the warnings against using the devices I mentioned with my 18mg liquid or do people use higher nicotine in these with few issues?

Thanks to anyone who read this, I know its a novel..My fiance had been interested in vaping and could of probably helped me navigate all of this but he recently passed away and I find myself having issues trusting my judgement so I am hoping maybe someone could let me know what they use and experience

I'd go for a 75 watt or less mod and a nautilus tank to start with. Set it up with your 12 or 18 juice at 8-10 watts and go from there. Just make sure the mod you choose can go down to at least 5-7 watts as some don't buck power below batt voltage. You can always use the same mod on something like a subtank with a .5 ohm coil if you want to try sub ohm low nic vaping at higher watts.

Definitely stay away from mods above 150watts unless you check the specs. Very few mods above 75 watts buck power reliably below battery voltage. The ones that do at usually on the high end of the price range into $200 or more.

 

[djsvapour]

I was researching and trying to decide what model I should buy and I have noticed that almost
all of the "best" units recommended for a novice also state that if I shouldn't use the device with an eliquid containing over 6mg of nicotine.

Since I began vaping two weeks ago, I have gone from smoking over a pack (plus at least 2 vuse cartridges) a day to not touching a ciggerette since the moment I opened my Icare.
That being said, I had been advised by the vape store guys that I should be using 18mg eliquid to start out. I am planning on weaning down my nicotine levels over time, but jumping from 18 to 6 seems like it may not be workable(plus, I already bought my coconut cream, icebreaker, teddy crack, and about five other flavors in either 16 or 18mg nicotine strength I need to finish off first lol)

Certain parts of the vape industry will say anything to maximize e-liquid sales.
Lots of new devices are powerful and 6mg is often plenty (though not for every person; some more, some less).
What can I add. Most of the people I know started on 24mg or 18mg. BUT, we used very basic hardware. If doubling the power doubles the nicotine yield, then even a modest-power device (iCare would be that, yes) vapes more than double a basic 'pen' ecig and maybe triple.

18mg to 6mg is very 'do-able' if you jump from a 7 or 8 watt device to a 30w device.

This is how I did it.

24/18mg in a cig-a-like. (Didn't help enough to stop me smoking) 3-4 watts?

18mg in an eGo. (Did stop me smoking) 7-9 watts 2 months later 12mg.

When the square mods and larger tanks came along, I went to 6mg. 12-25 watts

 

[Bunnykiller]

I started with 36 and am still doing 36... but then again, Im not chuckin clouds

Im using a single coil RSST on an IPV4 at 22W...

 

[tazzle]

Things are so complicated now for beginners! I'm glad sub-ohming / direct-to-lung was not the big thing when I first quit, because I don't think I would have ventured into vaping if that were the case.

Juwlz068, the basic picture is that there are two main types of vaping. One way is called "mouth to lung" vaping, and it's similar to how one smokes cigarettes, inhaling to mouth first then to lungs, or even just exhale from mouth or nose without inhaling to lungs. *Usually* that means lower power (watts), higher resistance (ohms), and the full range of nicotine strength (anywhere from 0 to 24 mg, or even, for a few, above that).

The other way is called "direct to lung" and it's inhaling directly to the lungs. Typically, this means higher power, lower ohms (almost always "sub-ohms" -- below 1 ohm), lower nicotine (often just 0 to 3mg). This way produces more vapor, requires more power, uses a lot more e liquid, and vaping higher nic liquids can be quite harsh.

Mouth to lung was the first way that vaping was introduced. Later, direct to lung became popular, especially among "cloud chasers" -- people who wanted big clouds.

Either way is fine, but direct to lung can be more difficult in the beginning. Many remain mouth to lung with no desire to change, and some use both/either technique, just depending on what they feel like at the moment.

The two generally use different tanks, but many mods can work for both. I'm a mouth to lung vaper, and generally prefer smaller mods that can deliver from 20-80 watts. I actually only vape at from 8 to 15 watts, though, and usually use 1.2 to 1.8 ohm coils. I only use 3 mg nic in my e liquid because I vape a lot.

My personal advice would be to start with mouth to lung using the e liquids you have purchased, and then later when you are comfortable with that and more familiar with what you like, you can explore if you would enjoy direct to lung. People here can give you recommendations for good mouth to lung kits if you'd like to go that route. I would start you off with a iStick Pico as your mod, and a good tank: for drop-in coils, I'm most familiar with the Nautilus Mini, which is a tried-and-true popular tank, but there are other good options that ECFers can recommend.

Good luck, and stick with it! Everyone here will be happy to help as much as they can.

 

[medleypat]

The kanger subvod can be used with your high nic juice just install the 1.5 ohm coil. The pico and nautilus tank is a good setup also the kanger topbox kit is another good one just use the 1.5 ohm coil.

 

[BrotherBob]

so my main question is, I am having a hard time finding a vape that is an improvement from my current Icare, that is compatible with my high nicotine level liquid usage.

Welcome and glad you joined. This system looks interesting:
Joyetech ATOPACK Penguin All-in-One Starter Kit
Vape system looks reasonable, price wise, in comparison to a all in one type of systems I have encountered. This is so new, I have not heard of any bad experiences. You will note that the device is designed using sub ohm coils so you may be going through e-liquid more rapidly than non sub coils devices (HUGE tank capacity kind of tell you how fast the juice disappears). But hey, it may solve your immediate problem.
Since vaping is totally scalable, the choice you have can be overwhelming (read and more reading is the only cure). For now all one would need to really know is you are going to utilize 3 components.
Battery(s)
Atomizer
E-Liquid
What you will need to study, is the different types of atomizers and how they perform.
This is a start:
vapetown
http://www.vaporauthority.com/pages/learn
http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/a...tte-college-guides-tutorials-information.html
One Stop Reference Shop For New and Experienced Vapers
Beginner – Guide To Vaping
http://vapingcheap.com/vaping-101/
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[jamesbeat]

There's nothing wrong with using a lower wattage mouth to lung device with a higher mg liquid.
Many of us are 'tootle puffers', but I think all this means is that we use the same amount of nicotine in a smaller volume of liquid.

When I first started, I noticed that in all the reviews, mouth to lung vaporizers were always referred to as 'beginners' devices.

I think it's just a matter of personal preference.

The reason I'm telling you all this is that I found all the high wattage direct lung vaporizers I tried leaked horribly at lower wattages because they are not really designed for mouth to lung type vaping.

You might be better off with a starter kit designed for mtl vaping.

You'll get what you need to stay off the smokes and you won't cover your clothes with liquid all the time.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Hi Julwz & welcome
Those warnings must in that fine print that few of us ever read. There is no physical reason that high nic juice can't work in any atomizer (the part holding the juice that you breath through). I suspect the manufacturers are simply trying to protect themselves same as the "advanced" warnings. If you subject yourself to too much nic you start to get a very noticeable headache so it is hard to overdose when inhaling your nic since you'd have to ignore a lot of brain pain to do it. Don't buy too much high nic juice because you will find yourself soon wanting to go lower, especially if you get a good cloud producing atty (atomizer). You will likely find you go 2 to 3 weeks at first with 18mg nic and vaping that will have you regularly stopping vaping for a bit as you feel the effects of the nic. Within 2 to 3 weeks you will likely want to cut back on the nic to say 12 or even lower.

As Tazzle has said one of the first decisions you have to make is whether you are a MTL or a DTL vaper. The MTL crowd like small clouds and a hard to draw through device. Us DTL'rs like big clouds and an easy draw. It is all up to your preference but until you decide which you like best I wouldn't invest to much in one or the other. The all-in-ones look like they should be good for beginners but I know I don't like their restricted draws caused by their design and the two I have leave an awful lot to be desired. There are much better devices than these.

 

[nLz]

I smoked for about 2years 18 to 12 mg. All the time i used the fogger v4 I can still highly recommend it!
Using it after half a year again, its a great tank. No leaking at all when it comes NOT to cloud chasing and things like that.

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[OlderNDirt]

Welcome to ECF, @Juwlz068

Just my worth since it hasn't been mentioned. Check with your local shop and confirm they sell your same flavors at 0mg nic, they should. You can then adjust the nic level to pretty much whatever you like. 1 part 18mg and 1 part 0mg for a 9mg nic juice. 1 parts 18mg and 2 parts 0mg for a 6mg juice. And so on. For a trial batch (start small), eyeballing it should be close enough. Why go through that? Then you can buy the gear you want/need for whatever reason rather then just what will work with your high nic.

Not sure where you are located, but more and more shops are carrying less juice flavors in the higher nic levels.....at least near me. Might be worth considering.

 

[nLz]

Welcome to ECF, @Juwlz068

Just my worth since it hasn't been mentioned. Check with your local shop and confirm they sell your same flavors at 0mg nic, they should. You can then adjust the nic level to pretty much whatever you like. 1 part 18mg and 1 part 0mg for a 9mg nic juice. 1 parts 18mg and 2 parts 0mg for a 6mg juice. And so on. For a trial batch (start small), eyeballing it should be close enough. Why go through that? Then you can buy the gear you want/need for whatever reason rather then just what will work with your high nic.

Not sure where you are located, but more and more shops are carrying less juice flavors in the higher nic levels.....at least near me. Might be worth considering.

Sounds good, but when u r for example want to use less juice, less money. Then I don't see any problem vaping 18mg and maybe just 1ml of juice per day.

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[OlderNDirt]

Sounds good, but when u r for example want to use less juice, less money. Then I don't see any problem vaping 18mg and maybe just 1ml of juice per day.

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No disagreement at all!

But op was indicating what gear to get to match their juice. Just advising that it was possible to adjust their stock of juice to whatever gear they got, thus not limiting their choices in gear.

 

[Boompumper]

When I first tried to quit I failed miserably with a subpar 'mouth to lung' setup. After doing more research, I decided to try 'direct to lung' and it took 12mg to finally satisfy my cravings. Most people told me I was crazy, and doing it all wrong but most people probably haven't smoked for 30 years, much less unfiltered for the last ten. After the first hit I knew I was done smoking forever.

The point is, you have to find what works for you.

Actually, that's not why I posted, many people have already said that. The reason I replied is to offer my condolences on the loss of your fiancé, that's a terrible thing to have to go through and I am sending all the positive vibes I can muster.

 

[propagandax]

The problem is everything now is subohm and low nic vg juice which i think is terrible for mtl and lacks a decent throat hit. Good luck finding a decent non subohm solution as its becoming slim pickings. The high vg juice doesnt work well with non subohm devices either and i cant even find 18 mg juice in a vape store anymore. If this was the state of things when i first started vaping i would still be smoking cigs. Tried a blu 24 mg the other day and it had a wonderful throat kit and very satisfying. So sad. Im fed up with the whole thing.