Using higher nicotine liquid limits options?
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The reason those mods recommend lower nicotine levels is that they are designed for sub ohm (coils with a resistance below 1 ohm) vaping. They were originally designed for cloud chaser and, right now, that seems to be the majority.
Okay yes I like a good volume of vapor, similar to the volume of smoke in a puff off a stink stick, but, I'm not out to get steam engine clouds. In something like your Icare, I'd have to run 36mg, 24 at the very least. In my mods, I run 18 in the lower wattage mods (60 and below and, 12 in higher wattage mods.) Honestly, my favorite is 18mg at 60 watts. I get the nic fix I need in about 3 hits every 30 mins.
If I wanted to chain vape the mods, I'd need 3 mg or lower. In practical terms, these things heat the juice a bit hotter and, vaporize more juice per puff so, you get more nicotine per puff.
That means there are two ways to approach it, use lower mg juice or, vape less. I went with lower mg first, but found my happy hit feeling at 18mg, so, want to keep that. I'm content on a few puffs every half hour or so. Don't burn a great amount of juice that way and, 3 puffs can last me a couple of hours if need be.
I don't have a reason to stealth so, the clouds are good for me. I don't want more than I have so, don't need those 200.00 mods.
In your place, I'd get a decent mod, one that takes pre built coils, those are easier for starters than building coils. Get some 6mg juice, but don't give up the 18 mg either, just vape less often with it. When you choose a mod, get an extra tank for it or, if you go with the cheaper built in tank mods (around 20.00) get two of them. One for 18mg and one for 6mg.
You may want to vape more for pleasure than just what you need for nicotine.
Okay yes I like a good volume of vapor, similar to the volume of smoke in a puff off a stink stick, but, I'm not out to get steam engine clouds. In something like your Icare, I'd have to run 36mg, 24 at the very least. In my mods, I run 18 in the lower wattage mods (60 and below and, 12 in higher wattage mods.) Honestly, my favorite is 18mg at 60 watts. I get the nic fix I need in about 3 hits every 30 mins.
If I wanted to chain vape the mods, I'd need 3 mg or lower. In practical terms, these things heat the juice a bit hotter and, vaporize more juice per puff so, you get more nicotine per puff.
That means there are two ways to approach it, use lower mg juice or, vape less. I went with lower mg first, but found my happy hit feeling at 18mg, so, want to keep that. I'm content on a few puffs every half hour or so. Don't burn a great amount of juice that way and, 3 puffs can last me a couple of hours if need be.
I don't have a reason to stealth so, the clouds are good for me. I don't want more than I have so, don't need those 200.00 mods.
In your place, I'd get a decent mod, one that takes pre built coils, those are easier for starters than building coils. Get some 6mg juice, but don't give up the 18 mg either, just vape less often with it. When you choose a mod, get an extra tank for it or, if you go with the cheaper built in tank mods (around 20.00) get two of them. One for 18mg and one for 6mg.
You may want to vape more for pleasure than just what you need for nicotine.
If you go to Eleaf's website (or any other makers of vape products) they have a LOT of starter kit, just go with what you think you'd like by their descriptions.
What you need to sort out is what do you want.
Or you might want to go with a full kit and jump in fully...
Things to consider:
What you need to sort out is what do you want.
Or you might want to go with a full kit and jump in fully...
Things to consider:
- Something that can carry you for a while, so you don't have to feel like you wasted money of a smaller kit or would a small kit be fine?
- Replaceable battery?
- Battery life?
- Removable tanks or all-in-one device?
- What is your style of vaping, mouth to lung (sucking a straw then inhaling or exhaling) of direct lung, (full inhale direct to lung)?
- What is your budget?
- Stick to factory cartridge coils or plan to learn how to build (lot cheaper, not really hard if your take the time to learn the basics, and gives you more control)?
About that nic level and such.
Sub-ohm devices vaporize better/faster, so the reason to why you need lower nic is that it's simply more efficient as a delivery system.
You just need to figure out your "correct balance".
Too little, you'll have more craving.
Too much, you'll feel it as harsh, and you can have side effects of nic. overdose... lists of these effects are easy to find.
Worth of note: as you're quitting smoking, you will find that you'll have other side effects that may scare you, possibly lots of coughing (due to your system cleaning out the tar and toxins) and other stuff, do read up of those as they may be confusing as far as what is the "detoxification" against Nic overdose. Be aware that you will have withdrawals not from the nicotine itself/only, but from the other toxins.
Sub-ohm devices vaporize better/faster, so the reason to why you need lower nic is that it's simply more efficient as a delivery system.
You just need to figure out your "correct balance".
Too little, you'll have more craving.
Too much, you'll feel it as harsh, and you can have side effects of nic. overdose... lists of these effects are easy to find.
Worth of note: as you're quitting smoking, you will find that you'll have other side effects that may scare you, possibly lots of coughing (due to your system cleaning out the tar and toxins) and other stuff, do read up of those as they may be confusing as far as what is the "detoxification" against Nic overdose. Be aware that you will have withdrawals not from the nicotine itself/only, but from the other toxins.
There have been some great points made and good suggestions that should give you a lot to think about. For me, I started out with subohm devices and atomizers @6mg after smoking a pack a day + for 25 years (because that's what the guys at the vape shop told me I should try!). It was enough that it got me to quit smoking but I was not thrilled to be going through the volume of liquid subohm required. My husband could not inhale on a subohm device without coughing his brains out every time, which led me to research above 1 ohm MTL and restricted lung hit atomizers (restricted lung is hitting direct to lung on a tighter airflow device). It turns out that I enjoyed that style of vape more than airy subohm and 6mg is still enough. The hubby has to use 10-12. So whatever you start with be prepared to change and evolve as you experiment with different styles and devices. I was already building coils at that point so all the MTL atomizers I've used are the rebuildable type, if I were going for a factory coil tight draw setup I think I would try something from the Nautilus family since they've been around for a long time. The Pico mod that has been suggested is also a great little device, I have 4 of them so far. Whatever you do, don't give up. If something doesn't work out for you there's always something else to try and lots of people here that would be happy to help any way they can. Good luck, and please accept my condolences for your loss, I can only imagine how tough that must be.
Have a 18mg, 12mg and 6mg bottles ready and switch between them. You'll quickly find the right strengthHi, I began vaping almost two weeks ago. I purchased the Elead Icare. It was great for the first week, but now it is leaking from the top, from the bottom, and today it ruined my second shirt so suffice it to say, I am in the market for something better.
I was researching and trying to decide what model I should buy and I have noticed that almost
all of the "best" units recommended for a novice also state that if I shouldn't use the device with an eliquid containing over 6mg of nicotine.
Since I began vaping two weeks ago, I have gone from smoking over a pack (plus at least 2 vuse cartridges) a day to not touching a ciggerette since the moment I opened my Icare.
That being said, I had been advised by the vape store guys that I should be using 18mg eliquid to start out. I am planning on weaning down my nicotine levels over time, but jumping from 18 to 6 seems like it may not be workable(plus, I already bought my coconut cream, icebreaker, teddy crack, and about five other flavors in either 16 or 18mg nicotine strength I need to finish off first lol)
So my question is, does anyone here use a system that is better than my leaky eleaf Icare and also use a higher nicotine level liquid? I have been researching a lot of different devices and I do have a lot of questions about them, but I am sure most of my other questions are things that people have already asked and will scour the board for those answers instead of annoyingly repeating them on this post..
so my main question is, I am having a hard time finding a vape that is an improvement from my current Icare, that is compatible with my high nicotine level liquid usage. I am trying to learn about the more complex vape systems, but for now I am looking for an all-in-one type unit. From what I read, kangertech subvod or Joyetech eGo would be a slight improvement from the Icare BUT I have read warnings against using them with anything above 6mg nicotine
So, for a new girl looking into something better than Icare but not ready for the big leagues,
is there even an option? What is interesting is my vape guy had me sold on buying the Kangertech dripbox, like I was actually planning on going to just buy that tonight but decided to do some research first, and it also states that it isnt recommended for over 6mg of nicotine (and it looks to be a bit complicated for a beginner but maybe it just sounds more complicated than it is?)
For those using higher nicotine liquids, what are you using? And, should I listen to the warnings against using the devices I mentioned with my 18mg liquid or do people use higher nicotine in these with few issues?
Thanks to anyone who read this, I know its a novel..My fiance had been interested in vaping and could of probably helped me navigate all of this but he recently passed away and I find myself having issues trusting my judgement so I am hoping maybe someone could let me know what they use and experience
For mouth to lung vaping higher nicotine I highly recommend:Hi, I began vaping almost two weeks ago. I purchased the Elead Icare. It was great for the first week, but now it is leaking from the top, from the bottom, and today it ruined my second shirt so suffice it to say, I am in the market for something better.
I was researching and trying to decide what model I should buy and I have noticed that almost
all of the "best" units recommended for a novice also state that if I shouldn't use the device with an eliquid containing over 6mg of nicotine.
Since I began vaping two weeks ago, I have gone from smoking over a pack (plus at least 2 vuse cartridges) a day to not touching a ciggerette since the moment I opened my Icare.
That being said, I had been advised by the vape store guys that I should be using 18mg eliquid to start out. I am planning on weaning down my nicotine levels over time, but jumping from 18 to 6 seems like it may not be workable(plus, I already bought my coconut cream, icebreaker, teddy crack, and about five other flavors in either 16 or 18mg nicotine strength I need to finish off first lol)
So my question is, does anyone here use a system that is better than my leaky eleaf Icare and also use a higher nicotine level liquid? I have been researching a lot of different devices and I do have a lot of questions about them, but I am sure most of my other questions are things that people have already asked and will scour the board for those answers instead of annoyingly repeating them on this post..
so my main question is, I am having a hard time finding a vape that is an improvement from my current Icare, that is compatible with my high nicotine level liquid usage. I am trying to learn about the more complex vape systems, but for now I am looking for an all-in-one type unit. From what I read, kangertech subvod or Joyetech eGo would be a slight improvement from the Icare BUT I have read warnings against using them with anything above 6mg nicotine
So, for a new girl looking into something better than Icare but not ready for the big leagues,
is there even an option? What is interesting is my vape guy had me sold on buying the Kangertech dripbox, like I was actually planning on going to just buy that tonight but decided to do some research first, and it also states that it isnt recommended for over 6mg of nicotine (and it looks to be a bit complicated for a beginner but maybe it just sounds more complicated than it is?)
For those using higher nicotine liquids, what are you using? And, should I listen to the warnings against using the devices I mentioned with my 18mg liquid or do people use higher nicotine in these with few issues?
Thanks to anyone who read this, I know its a novel..My fiance had been interested in vaping and could of probably helped me navigate all of this but he recently passed away and I find myself having issues trusting my judgement so I am hoping maybe someone could let me know what they use and experience
1. Ego One tank, or Amor tank from Totally Wicked, use the 1.0 ohm CLR coils with either (even if you don't rebuild these rebuildable coils they are better than the CL coils per folks here)
2. Nautilus 2 or Triton mini. Using Nautilus 1.6 or 1.8 ohm coils
There is no need to be forced to vaping higher power mods and tanks at low nic. Vape the way you want
Bunch of nonsense in this thread. There is no magic that happens when you go from 1 ohm to .9 ohms or from .9 ohms to .5 ohms. You might get lucky and find something you will use forever right out of the gate but; if you want to do this right you are going to have to experiment. ...a lot. You are going to have to find out:
Kanger Subtank Mini Review- Vaping360
iStick Pico - Eleaf electronic cigarette
LG HG2 Review (20A, 3000mAh)
Review of Charger Xtar VC2 Plus Master
It's as troublesome or as trouble free as I want to make it. I can mouth to lung or direct inhale with it. I build my own atomizers but the factory units are passable. While it's not really a cloud chasing rig it's no slouch. Basically it's very versatile. No one can tell you what nic level to get or how to vape it because they are not you
- What kind of draw you like. Mouth to lung or direct inhale. (this may change after a length of time)
- Do like like your vapor cool, warm or hot.
- Whether you want to chase clouds, stay off of cigarettes or both.
- What your tolerance for fiddly equipment it.
- What your budget is.
- Finding a trusted vendor you are going to get your equipment from whether local or mail-order.
- Single, removable, battery device up to 75 watts.
- A tank based atomizer with factory replaceable atomizer heads, a rebuildable option and adequate air-flow adjustment.
Kanger Subtank Mini Review- Vaping360
iStick Pico - Eleaf electronic cigarette
LG HG2 Review (20A, 3000mAh)
Review of Charger Xtar VC2 Plus Master
It's as troublesome or as trouble free as I want to make it. I can mouth to lung or direct inhale with it. I build my own atomizers but the factory units are passable. While it's not really a cloud chasing rig it's no slouch. Basically it's very versatile. No one can tell you what nic level to get or how to vape it because they are not you
I agree but my wife vapes the nautilus tanks and 18 to 24 nic juices at 70vg at 17 watts and it work well. Although it gives a really good TH , it doesn't match the intense TH I get with my rebuildable mtl rtas. So to get that intense TH , I think you need to rebuild yourself and there are alot of great options for those type tanks. As for juice with high nic, there are still a bunch, but you need to order them online, heathers heavenly vapes is one of the best and indigo vapes is another. But you right about local vape stores, all geared towards DL and low nic stufff
Things are so complicated now for beginners! I'm glad sub-ohming / direct-to-lung was not the big thing when I first quit, because I don't think I would have ventured into vaping if that were the case.
Juwlz068, the basic picture is that there are two main types of vaping. One way is called "mouth to lung" vaping, and it's similar to how one smokes cigarettes, inhaling to mouth first then to lungs, or even just exhale from mouth or nose without inhaling to lungs. *Usually* that means lower power (watts), higher resistance (ohms), and the full range of nicotine strength (anywhere from 0 to 24 mg, or even, for a few, above that).
The other way is called "direct to lung" and it's inhaling directly to the lungs. Typically, this means higher power, lower ohms (almost always "sub-ohms" -- below 1 ohm), lower nicotine (often just 0 to 3mg). This way produces more vapor, requires more power, uses a lot more e liquid, and vaping higher nic liquids can be quite harsh.
Mouth to lung was the first way that vaping was introduced. Later, direct to lung became popular, especially among "cloud chasers" -- people who wanted big clouds.
Either way is fine, but direct to lung can be more difficult in the beginning. Many remain mouth to lung with no desire to change, and some use both/either technique, just depending on what they feel like at the moment.
The two generally use different tanks, but many mods can work for both. I'm a mouth to lung vaper, and generally prefer smaller mods that can deliver from 20-80 watts. I actually only vape at from 8 to 15 watts, though, and usually use 1.2 to 1.8 ohm coils. I only use 3 mg nic in my e liquid because I vape a lot.
My personal advice would be to start with mouth to lung using the e liquids you have purchased, and then later when you are comfortable with that and more familiar with what you like, you can explore if you would enjoy direct to lung. People here can give you recommendations for good mouth to lung kits if you'd like to go that route. I would start you off with a iStick Pico as your mod, and a good tank: for drop-in coils, I'm most familiar with the Nautilus Mini, which is a tried-and-true popular tank, but there are other good options that ECFers can recommend.
Good luck, and stick with it! Everyone here will be happy to help as much as they can.
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