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Discussion in 'VAMO' started by KerryK, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. KerryK

    KerryK Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2012
    Madtown, WI
    So my new VAMO started reading OHM's like 9.9ohm and certain 510 devices stopped working. This link on Reddit was posted in a thread here on ECF, it was a huge find for me so I wanted to give it more attention.

    The problem is from over-tightening and pushing the center pin down too far. There is a small white gasket that needs to be under the center connection, this pushes up the center pin to make the connections. If the gasket is missing or the center connection is pushed into the gasket you will get issues with firing and ohm reading.

    I used a blunt dental tool and carefully pushed the white gasket back under the center pin, and tightened my vivi very gently and it works like it should. I'm going to follow this advice and replace the gasket as it seems to be a great fix.

    Here it is:

    "I literally just went through this with my SS Vamo earlier this evening. I just received an AGR cartotank from Steammonkey and the 510/510 adapter piece pushed my center pin down into the washer. I screwed it on really tight which I guess isn't necessary. After the fix below I screwed it down as far as it would go and it didn't push the pin down again so I'd say its a success.

    Here's what I did to resolve it and actually improve it.

    • Remove the original washer (with tweezers.)
    • Push up the center pin with a tiny screwdriver (or toothpick.) Work around the edges so its more or less up.
    • Go to Home Depot (Lowes should have them too, OSH did not) and buy new #60 size washers (Plumbing section.) They are almost twice as thick and black. It was $2.47 for a pack of 10 or something.
    • Cut the new washer in one spot with scissors
    • With the tiny screwdriver / toothpick (this will probably be really difficult with a toothpick as it requires quite a bit of pressure) push the new washer down (hard) diagonally away from the center pin. You should feel and hear a light pop. I believe this is the washer either getting under the center pin or the threading on the inner wall.
    • Continue to do this "threading" around the center pin in by pushing down on the washer diagonally in small increments from one side of the cut in the washer, to the other. The last 25% will be the most annoying as it gets harder. You want to get the washer under the center pin so act accordingly.
    • Toward the end the center pin will be roughly 50% over the washer, and 50% under. Just keep threading around toward the other end of the cut you made. Finally when you feel the washer won't go under the center pin any further with this method, attempt to get your tiny screwdriver under the center pin on the side thats still under the washer and pop it over the remaining washer.
    Tedious and annoying but it only took me 5 minutes. The new washer is thicker and tighter and shouldn't get pushed down again.
    Edit: I read a less detailed version of this on ECF forums and that user said to cut the washer in half. I wasn't having luck with that and found it easier to do it with just 1 cut but you may want to try both to find the path of least resistance for you."

    Here's the link to the thread:
  2. Unforeseen

    Unforeseen Asst. Suppliers Manager Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  3. beckyblue

    beckyblue Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Thank you so much for taking the time to post this, KerryK! I'm off to Home Depot...:toast:!
  4. Day

    Day Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    It worked... awesome thanks so much. They should really address the washer issue, seems the 510-ego adapters like to push that pin down.
  5. beckyblue

    beckyblue Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Okay, gotta admit that I'm a little worried about actually doing this ^^. Things tend to break if I look at them too hard:facepalm:! Anyone else at all with additional suggestions for this very real flaw in the otherwise trusty Vamo design, please chime in!
  6. 45root

    45root Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 20, 2012
    montgomery, AL
    my washer is also gone. I am 40 miles from home depot. subscribing to this thread until I have to run into town or locate this online. Thanks OP.
  7. 45root

    45root Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 20, 2012
    montgomery, AL
  8. Day

    Day Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Thats exact brand number and item number I just bought... those are the ones. It's much smaller than that picture makes it seem. You can see a better pic of it compared to the white washer that comes with the vamo in the reddit link in the OP. At first it will seem impossible but it does go under there.. I put a clearo on tight and no issues now.
  9. txtumbleweed

    txtumbleweed Resting In Peace ECF Veteran

    Dec 7, 2009
    Walla Walla
    Was this just a certain batch that had this problem? I've had mine for a couple of months and I've never had any problem with mine at all.
  10. Day

    Day Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Mine was fine until I put a 510-ego adapter on it and a clearo and tightened to what seemed normal to me. It pushed the pin down past the white washer and never acted right after that, had only had it a few days. It's working great now, that pin isn't going anywhere.
  11. 45root

    45root Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 20, 2012
    montgomery, AL
    I am just rough on mods. Broken a vamo, a sigelei telescope, a plastic bolt and a vmax. all the 510 connectors.

    and I just fixed it. I just took a drip tip o-ring and basically cut it in half. I already had the positive pin pulled out from my previous attempts to repair it. This time I just cut a drip tip o-ring in have and followed the OP instructions the best I could. It worked. :D happy guy now. I had no way to check the ohms on my rbas.
  12. TomCatt

    TomCatt Da Catt Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 8, 2011
    Upland, PA
    This 'washer' is most likely the top portion of the grommet that isolates the center pin from the sides of the battery connector. Over tightening (and normal wear over time) can cause the top section (washer) of the grommet to be cut off of the rest of the grommet. The center pin then touches the outer section of the connector and causes a short.

    Here's a picture of the center pin grommet from Avid Vaper

    With the washer fix, you'll still have to be careful when you tighten your atty/tank/carto.
  13. Day

    Day Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Wow that's interesting and gives me even more insight on what exactly happened, and why after putting that white "washer" back in it did not work properly... and this seems to be the trend on others who have this issue. I will say though, I see a lot of blaming on "over tightening" when I don't think that's the case really. I don't crank down on anything but I do expect my clearos etc to not wobble all over the place.

    I think the real culprit is 510-Ego adapters, as almost everyone I've seen with this issue has used one. I closely inspected the adapter and when you put it on a clearo theres an extra little nub that pops down. This seems to be a sliding piece that you can push back up in there when it's off a clearo. I really didn't tighten the thing like a mad man when it first broke. I think those adapters are about an 1/8th inch too long when they are on a clearo.

    The new black washers described in the thread are much thicker, so much so it almost seems like it would be impossible to get it on there, but once it's there, it would take some serious, serious cranking to push that pin down past it. I'm not even sure it's possible to tighten it that much.
  14. Clearo-Mizer

    Clearo-Mizer Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 21, 2013
    Woodstock Ga
    also a 9.9 reading on the ohm screen means a bad coil....
  15. Day

    Day Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    It reads 9.9 when nothing at all is on it, (or pin isn't making contact) and when I was having the issue it was as simple as putting the atty/clearo on another device to test your theory.
  16. 45root

    45root Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 20, 2012
    montgomery, AL
    mine wasnt reading 9.9. i had all kinds of low Ω readings. all less than 1Ω. to test this problem out, just check ohms with nothing attached. if it reads 9.9 its most likely fine.
  17. pdib

    pdib Registered Supplier - Offline ECF Veteran

    Nov 23, 2012

    ^This. Right behind you, man! Great fix, thanx KerryK!
  18. Faylool

    Faylool Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I might need this thread at a later date
  19. Edd Harbin

    Edd Harbin Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 2, 2012
    huntsville AL
    Working great now , hadto cut washer in half and it went in "LIKE A GLOVE " as the great pet detective says .
  20. Day

    Day Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 7, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Yeah, it aint going in there uncut! I only cut one side, and it took a little work but I got it in there.
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