Vape shop sued for over a Million dollars because of exploding battery

[beckdg]

Sorry, I just have a hard time finding humor in this topic. It's going to happen, and it going to be ugly.
But you are right, I can see neighboring trailers catching fire easily. My concern is in multi-family dwellings where you don't know how stupid your downstairs neighbor is.
I had an upstairs neighbor once who didn't understand how much water a bathtub would hold....

I burned down the apt downstairs once with help of their daughters. We were all under 6 yrs old and alone in the apt.

Also woke up in a bed full of drywall and the guy upstairs bath (I hope) water once.

Did fire and water restoration for a few years also.

I HAVE to find humor to cope. It's traumatizing dealing with people's trauma of losing everything in one fell swoop as the foreman & job coordinator.

Been too close to these situations for far too long...

Tapatyped

 

[four2109]

I burned down the apt downstairs once with help of their daughters. We were all under 6 yrs old and alone in the apt.
Tapatyped

Sounds like the story of a friend of mine. Her father punished them by holding their hands/fingers over candles. She and her brother had started a fire in the kitchen. They were young.
I don't think I can imagine my father doing that to me.

 

[beckdg]

Sounds like the story of a friend of mine. Her father punished them by holding their hands/fingers over candles. She and her brother had started a fire in the kitchen. They were young.
I don't think I can imagine my father doing that to me.

That's a horrible punishment.

Though it shares some similarities to how I taught my oldest what "hot" meant.

He was about 2. The wife and I were smokers with lighters stashed around the house everywhere.

His face would light up and he'd reach for the flame every time we lit one. Sometimes reach for the burning cherry also.

He learned the word hot but didn't understand the concept. He'd reach, giggle and say hot.

It finally came to the point I lit the lighter and moved his hand closer over the flame until he pulled back repeating "hot" to him.

From that point on all we had to say was hot and he immediately knew to leave things alone.

Tapatyped

 

[kdubbie]

It drives me crazy when news reports about exploding batteries don't explain the situation in full. What mod was he using? What tank or dripper was he using? What the safety on? What actually happened?

It does such a disservice to the audience watching because it makes it seem that every device used by any person is just as likely to malfunction. It also makes it seem that customers are not responsible for understanding basic battery usage.

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to this gentlemen, but man, do I hope he loses this case.

 

[AndriaD]

Lately I've been combing the web for vaping images, for my website. Included in the web's collection of vape-related pics are those of fire scenes and accompanying pics of a burnt or exploded mod and hysterical text -- and 9 out of 10 of those burnt/exploded mods are the ego-type, many still attached to the charger that caused it. I really had thought it was mostly the daredevil mech modders with their .00001 ohm builds and insufficiently-vented mods, but it's not; it's those cheapie egos and their even-more-cheapie chargers! Those things are truly hazardous!

Andria

 

[beckdg]

Lately I've been combing the web for vaping images, for my website. Included in the web's collection of vape-related pics are those of fire scenes and accompanying pics of a burnt or exploded mod and hysterical text -- and 9 out of 10 of those burnt/exploded mods are the ego-type, many still attached to the charger that caused it. I really had thought it was mostly the daredevil mech modders with their .00001 ohm builds and insufficiently-vented mods, but it's not; it's those cheapie egos and their even-more-cheapie chargers! Those things are truly hazardous!

Andria

You got it, sister. Any electronics or battery guru should be able to pick that answer out of a hat. But to the general public it seems contradictory to common sense.

The problem is the stresses/tortures the hardware can endure accompanied by the general knowledge and awareness level of the individuals using and caring for the hardware compounded by how idiot proof it is.

For example... who knows without being told that any charger that fits is absolutely the worst thing to connect to your ego? With my prior electrical knowledge, I could easily test for polarity, but I won't know where the charge cycle cut off circuitry is located without disassembling (and likely ruining) either the old charger (which at the point of needing a new one is probably lost) or the ego.

Not to mention the circuits are cheap as chips (and I don't just mean price), the cell inside can't handle a load (charging or discharging), the case has no venting (makes it explosive and holds heat to increase the likelyhood of failure) and the flimsy case offers no impact resistance for the cell (which could easily be damaged without so much as a sign since there's no way to see its physical condition).

Egos are a recipe for failure and property damage at the very least.

I do my best to switch everyone I see with an ego to an mvp. Most are reluctant because "I like how easy this is".

Ease of use is of more value than their homes and children... even after being told there's no difference in ease of use...

I don't get it...

Tapatyped

 

[AndriaD]

You got it, sister. Any electronics or battery guru should be able to pick that answer out of a hat. But to the general public it seems contradictory to common sense.

The problem is the stresses/tortures the hardware can endure accompanied by the general knowledge and awareness level of the individuals using and caring for the hardware compounded by how idiot proof it is.

For example... who knows without being told that any charger that fits is absolutely the worst thing to connect to your ego? With my prior electrical knowledge, I could easily test for polarity, but I won't know where the charge cycle cut off circuitry is located without disassembling (and likely ruining) either the old charger (which at the point of needing a new one is probably lost) or the ego.

Not to mention the circuits are cheap as chips (and I don't just mean price), the cell inside can't handle a load (charging or discharging), the case has no venting (makes it explosive and holds heat to increase the likelyhood of failure) and the flimsy case offers no impact resistance for the cell (which could easily be damaged without so much as a sign since there's no way to see its physical condition).

Egos are a recipe for failure and property damage at the very least.

I do my best to switch everyone I see with an ego to an mvp. Most are reluctant because "I like how easy this is".

Ease of use is of more value than their homes and children... even after being told there's no difference in ease of use...

I don't get it...

Tapatyped

It's just the common human failing of being resistant to change -- for a couple months after I started vaping I *insisted* I would NEVER EVER do such an un-girly thing as rebuild attys. Then one day it occurred to me that I had already completed the most enormous change I probably would ever face, in giving up cigarettes, and that being the case, maybe I should open myself to other new things, and see what might result. The only thing I regret at all about that choice is that now I can't get those 6 T3S's to vape worth a crap -- I'm too spoiled by Kayfuns. So now I have 3 kayfuns, and they're miles and miles better than the 6 T3S's or even 106 of them!

But even an iTaste vv3 would be a better choice than an ego -- same sort of thing, really, but Innokin makes quality products, unlike the VAST majority of the ego-styles out there.

Andria

 

[Bad Ninja]

Lately I've been combing the web for vaping images, for my website. Included in the web's collection of vape-related pics are those of fire scenes and accompanying pics of a burnt or exploded mod and hysterical text -- and 9 out of 10 of those burnt/exploded mods are the ego-type, many still attached to the charger that caused it. I really had thought it was mostly the daredevil mech modders with their .00001 ohm builds and insufficiently-vented mods, but it's not; it's those cheapie egos and their even-more-cheapie chargers! Those things are truly hazardous!

Andria

Yep.
Most of the people I know rocking ultra low builds on mechs have a good general knowledge of what they are doing and take precautions.
Even when they have a mishap, they are prepared and you won't hear about it on the nightly news.

 

[WattWick]

... if only peope realized they are using battery powered technology... and realized current battery technology has limits....

I wish we wouldn't have to fight the fight of lithium ion-based electric storage while fighting the fight of vaping. It really is two unrelated issues. On the other hand - they go hand in hand. You can't have vaping without portable power storage. One can only hope the next 'insulin' don't get banned because the power source for the delivery system has technological limits.

That being said....

 

[stevegmu]

I actually had no idea the hazards of lithium based batteries and mods until I read a post by Baditude about a mod venting in his pocket, just before I bought my first ProVari...

 

[Bad Ninja]

I actually had no idea the hazards of lithium based batteries and mods until I read a post by Baditude about a mod venting in his pocket, just before I bought my first ProVari...

Don't read the fine print, huh?

"Brave" way to live.

 

[stevegmu]

Don't read the fine print, huh?

"Brave" way to live.

I didnt realize the level of possible danger, so bought the safest mod made...

 

[Bad Ninja]

I didnt realize the level of possible danger, so bought the safest mod made...

That's why, in life, you must "read the fine print."

You can't expect to roll through life on auto pilot.
There is danger in the real world.
You are given the tools to navigate life safely. It's on you to use them.

 

[Racehorse]

But even an iTaste vv3 would be a better choice than an ego --

I hope you're distinguishing between a good Joyetech ego and a clone.

It is almost impossible to blow up a joyetech ego. There are so many protections in that thing.

I always check my chargers and wall adapters for loosening prongs, etc. Everyone needs to inspect their equipment weekly. I don't care what you're using.

 

[AndriaD]

I hope you're distinguishing between a good Joyetech ego and a clone.

It is almost impossible to blow up a joyetech ego. There are so many protections in that thing.

I always check my chargers and wall adapters for loosening prongs, etc. Everyone needs to inspect their equipment weekly. I don't care what you're using.

I'm sure the joyetech ones are fine; I have a joyetech eRoll, and it's very well made, no problems ever. the problem is that the real ones and the knock-offs look so much alike even when brand-new... after they're burnt/exploded, you can't really tell much about them... except that they're an "ego-style". But that doesn't take the charger into consideration -- I bet a 75 cent charger could trash them as easily as it trashes a knock-off ego.

Andria

 

[Bunnykiller]

Lately I've been combing the web for vaping images, for my website. Included in the web's collection of vape-related pics are those of fire scenes and accompanying pics of a burnt or exploded mod and hysterical text -- and 9 out of 10 of those burnt/exploded mods are the ego-type, many still attached to the charger that caused it. I really had thought it was mostly the daredevil mech modders with their .00001 ohm builds and insufficiently-vented mods, but it's not; it's those cheapie egos and their even-more-cheapie chargers! Those things are truly hazardous!

Andria

what pictures you should be looking for is the MRI brain scans of the people who had the exploding mods.... thats what is really dangerous... whats in their heads

 

[Amraann]

Maybe this was already asked.. But if I buy a Mr Coffee at Walmart and it catches fire wouldn't be he fault of Mr Coffee? (If I used it according to directions) Not the fault of Walmart?

I do not understand why the vape shop is being sued.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Maybe this was already asked.. But if I buy a Mr Coffee at Walmart and it catches fire wouldn't be he fault of Mr Coffee? (If I used it according to directions) Not the fault of Walmart?

I do not understand why the vape shop is being sued.

Correct.
However it's all but impossible to sue the Chinese manufacturer, so the leech.....err...lawyer goes after the only target he can sue..the retail shop.
Common sense should prevail, and the case will be dismissed, but we won't hear about it.
Drama makes for news.

 

[Amraann]

Thanks for the reply Bad Ninja

 

[DC2]

I do my best to switch everyone I see with an ego to an mvp. Most are reluctant because "I like how easy this is".

I use Ego Twists, and will most likely do so until such time as I am FORCED to stop.

But I always charge them in a quality Liposack.
Not some cheap piece of liposack garbage bought off Ebay.