Vape Shops popping up like crazy...

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HecticEnergy

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After rethinking it for a minute, I'm not sure big box can buy the basic gear market outright. New vapers need help getting started. Quite a bit of help actually. It's not as easy as opening a pack and firing up a lighter. Prices of starter stuff will still have to be in line at smaller shops if my hypothetical situation happens. People will just buy gear as cheap as they can and then go into a vape shop for help. heh.

Probably wouldn't be big box. The goes are sold in blister packs a lot of the time, and I could see those showing up next to the cigalikes at gas stations. I don't see walmart (or other big box stores) ever having a "vaping center"
I agreed with the principle of your assertions... Things will change with regulation. Probably not disappear, but will be unrecognizable from what we have today, IMO.

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Probably wouldn't be big box. The goes are sold in blister packs a lot of the time, and I could see those showing up next to the cigalikes at gas stations. I don't see walmart (or other big box stores) ever having a "vaping center"
I agreed with the principle of your assertions... Things will change with regulation. Probably not disappear, but will be unrecognizable from what we have today, IMO.

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It will be a drawn out evolution for sure. First the regs. No way of knowing how it shakes out yet. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst is about all we can do for the time being.

If vaping continues its growth pattern and when regs are set in stone, large retailers will definitely start trying to take their slice. Too much uncertainty for any large retailer to even consider doing anything other than carrying some cigalikes. I could easily see Walmart having a vaping section though. If there's enough business to be had, they are going to take it. And their buying power is ridiculous. Just another Chinese product to stock the shelves with and undercut the competition. Basic vaping gear is pretty decent and it's nothing more than cheap Chinese products. Big boxes love that stuff.


The days were in now will be called the good ole days not too far in the future. Legal vices are all about reg, tax, and big business.
 

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I wouldn't be here and smoke free for over a year if it wasn't for my friendly vape shop. Sure they sell mostly starter kits and e juice, but it worked as I quit smoking for good. Without the B&M stores how many of us would have gone the online shops?

Agreed! And even if we did, would we have known what we were REALLY looking at?
 

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No vape shops in my "city" of 19,000+. Anyone who started one would be getting in on the "ground floor". It may be too soon also. People here are not exactly on the "cutting edge" of anything so a shop might not be able to attract much business. Lots of smokers here also.

The only place I know of that sells any vape stuff, other than cig-alikes, is the only tobacco shop in town. They only have a small plexiglass display with Ego blister packs and a small selection of juices. The prices aren't outrageous $25 for a blister pack and $5 for 15ml juice. The guy there didn't seem to like the fact that they were selling the stuff.

I would love to open a shop, I've even seen an empty store front that would be perfect, but I have no business experience.

Back in the 70s we had a head shop that went through several owners before a guy that I know bought it and turned it into a gift shop that also sold paraphernalia in the back. He was/is very business savvy, probably because his father owned a successful appliance store for many years.

Most businesses fail within the first five years so it's very risky.
 

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I wouldn't be here and smoke free for over a year if it wasn't for my friendly vape shop. Sure they sell mostly starter kits and e juice, but it worked as I quit smoking for good. Without the B&M stores how many of us would have gone the online shops?

There's a B&M close to me that I love. Fair prices, plenty of mods, and really good juice lineup. I owe them for my success because that's where I got my first twist/evod combo.

We're still in wild west / fast tech growth mode so it's easy for B&Ms. Their only competition is the internet. Big tobacco can't compete with them and big box doesn't want to compete...yet. Does it stay that way forever? I kinda doubt it.

Njoy is at the forefront. Just take a look at this:

https://www.njoy.com/vaping/vaping-kits

Overpriced of course but easy to use and branded. They already have a massive distribution channel. These types of kits can work for a good period of time. They can get loyalty and repeat customers for much longer than disposables with this stuff. B&M's rely on newbies starting out just as much as long term experienced people. The landscape is changing. Believe me, I want mom and pops to thrive much more than big business. Heck, I don't want big business in this space at all. But it doesn't work that way in America with things like this.
 

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Yeah, they are popping up around here too, but all of them are geared toward beginners and ego stuff. That's where the money is at this point in the vaping craze, and they are all trying to make a killing at it, and they are doing well because most people want nothing to do with rebuilding, winding their own coils or making their own wicks, and especially their own juice. They just want to plunk down cash and have it done for them.

It took me five weeks into vaping to get beyond the B&M's and arrive where they didn't have a thing I needed or wanted. When you make your own juice and use a mech and RBA they don't want anything to do with you. For my part, the feeling is mutual.
 

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From what I recall in my business classes from college 90% of all businesses fail in the first 2 years.
Only 20% of those make it to 5.
My times may be a bit off, but if they are, it's shorter not longer.
I thought about getting in on a vape shop, but at this point I think it would be to late. With regulations coming out in the next few years (I think it's when and how bad, not if) it seems like it wouldn't be worth the risk... IMO


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It's starting to sound like the stereo craze in the 70s as Japanese stereo equipment started to arrive in America. Stereo shops started to show up in strip malls. Small shops would have Marantz, Sony, Sharp, and other brands sitting on tables made from 2x4's covered with carpet. They'd have two or three 18 year olds who knew a little bit about audio and the rest they learned from reading magazines. The internet was just a dream, so only people who read those magazines knew anything at all about frequency response, DB down points, tuner sensitivity, and peak/RMS power. If you actually knew how Dolby NR worked, you were a guru.

Then, once the public started buying those systems at full blown retail plus, stores like Circuit City, Hi-Fi buys, and a raft of others moved in and the mom and pop stores folded. The big guys were buying in volume and cutting prices like mad. Finally, the big guys began to feel the pressure from Best Buy and the rest is recent history.

I see vape stores being subject to management techniques, marketing skills, and product knowledge and that only works if there's enough capital to outlast the early competition. Big Tobacco will be on every street corner in convenience stores selling cig-alikes and maybe high end eGo type ecigs with their name brand juice in cartridges. Those who switch and are brand conscious will buy convenience store products where they bought their tobacco cigarettes.

Those of us who frequent web sites and participate in forums will buy where we can find sellers who have product knowledge and can talk the talk. If you are vaping a high end VV/VW mod, sporting a tank, and re-building your own coils aren't likely to be fooled by sales pitches. Most ECF members can hold their own with the average vape shop employee and might occasionally let them in on the latest and greatest that they haven't heard about yet.

There's one vape store in my town that is worth visiting and that's Stormy's Vapor Cellar. Carolyn is a vaping veteran who's knowledgeable, personable, serious about vaping, and knows her products. She's managed to move from a basement operation into a storefront with a warehouse next door that contains the online business. She has recently opened another store in a nearby town that has jumped out and run like wildfire.

Her secret is professionalism and employee training. When you walk in there's a friendly face, a homey atmosphere, and all the right products. If you have a question about hardware, they have used it and can relate to the questions you ask and talk the talk. There are vape nights, door prizes, free coffee and a place to sit down and sip it while you talk with others. Prices are a little higher than online, but the average order comes to about what you would have paid online + shipping. That's fair.

I think the early vape shops who are established have a better chance of surviving as long as they can maintain a competitive strategy and keep trained people to attract customers, provide the guidance they need, and build the business.
 
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There's 2 where I live & this is a pretty small town. I've personally had better luck with, & saved more $, buying my kits/batteries/clearomizers etc..online than at these shops. Also the markup seems pretty high...for example the Kanger Tech 510 starter kit is usually $35-45 online most places but in these 2 shops they want almost $60 for it & provide no refund or anything if it stops working out of nowhere.
I do however like going to the physical shops to buy vape juice! Both shops here have a good variety & let you test any & all you want for free. Having that option to just sit down & try out flavors right there is real handy, instead of waiting a week to get some in the mail then risk not liking it.
 

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It's simple supply and demand but at the end of the day I don't think they will be able to compete with the online retailers unless they have an interesting business concept. Maybe something similar to a bar/club atmosphere where there is music and cocktails... you can vape with your friends, make new friends. I dunno... something like that.
 

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Independent vape shops are the current distribution channel for gear that works for the masses. Us forum folks are a small minority and top tier in knowledge. The masses aren't going to use mechs and build coils. They just want something that easy that actually works and the current corner store stuff doesn't. When that changes, vape shops will become boutiques for the minority of folks who want to take the hobby/lifestyle to the next level. Only the strong will survive the long haul.
 
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