Vaping and breathalyser tests........
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It is Not as Ludicrous as you think.
A company I know has had Many False Positives on Breathalyzers with employees who have recently Vaped.
The Good News is if the Person drinks a Glass of Water and then Re-Tests in 5 minutes later or so, the Tests have all come back Negative.
Except in 1 Case. But in that Case, the employee Had been Drinking. LOL
people who vape menthols are probably going to show positive on breathalyzer
The company that I was associated with was receiving False Positive on a range of Flavors. And as far as I recall, None of them contained any Menthol.
I am by no means an expert (I don't even DIY.....yet), but I would think that any trace amounts of alcohol in flavorings would be cooked off when the liquid is vaporized.
What was the level the employees at your work tested at?
Was it anywhere near the .08 level that that most states use for the determination of DUI/DWI?
What was the level the employees at your work tested at?
Was it anywhere near the .08 level that that most states use for the determination of DUI/DWI?
Thank you nicnik, was on phone during my mid day constitutional and couldn't get it to work.
BTW - People shouldn't confuse the Amount of Alcohol in your Blood Stream with what a Breathalyzer Test reports.
If you Rinse your mouth out with Most brand of Mouth Wash and then Blow, you are going to Peg the Breathalyzer. And show BAC numbers that you probably Couldn't live thru.
But if Blood is taken out of your arm, the BAC Level will probably be Undetectable. And even at Detectable Levels, nowhere Near what would be Needed to be DUI/DWI.
If you Rinse your mouth out with Most brand of Mouth Wash and then Blow, you are going to Peg the Breathalyzer. And show BAC numbers that you probably Couldn't live thru.
But if Blood is taken out of your arm, the BAC Level will probably be Undetectable. And even at Detectable Levels, nowhere Near what would be Needed to be DUI/DWI.
Propylene glycol (PG) and vegetable glycerin (VG) are both forms of alcohol.
And what we exhale has a fair amount of it if I remember correctly.
So yeah, it makes sense that you would test positive if it's still coating your mouth.
And it makes sense that it would mostly go away if you drank some water.
But I'm just theorizing here.
And what we exhale has a fair amount of it if I remember correctly.
So yeah, it makes sense that you would test positive if it's still coating your mouth.
And it makes sense that it would mostly go away if you drank some water.
But I'm just theorizing here.
Propylene glycol (PG) and vegetable glycerin (VG) are both forms of alcohol.
And what we exhale has a fair amount of it if I remember correctly.
So yeah, it makes sense that you would test positive if it's still coating your mouth.
And it makes sense that it would mostly go away if you drank some water.
But I'm just theorizing here.
Hmm... I know that technically, those are forms of alcohol, but they're also *quite* different from ethanol; seems to me any worthwhile test would be testing solely for ethanol? There are a lot of other products, particularly artificial sweeteners, that are also technically alcohols -- sorbitol, mannitol -- both used frequently in sugar-free gum.
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Yeah, remember, I was just theorizing...
But also remember that they use cotinine tests for smoking.
Which really only measures nicotine usage, and tests positive for patches and gum.
They COULD be using carbon monoxide testing if they wanted to.
But they aren't, for whatever reason.
So who knows what exactly they are testing for with these breathalyzer tests?
This is an interesting read but doesn't answer the above question...
How Breathalyzers Work
Propylene glycol (PG) and vegetable glycerin (VG) are both forms of alcohol.
And what we exhale has a fair amount of it if I remember correctly.
So yeah, it makes sense that you would test positive if it's still coating your mouth.
And it makes sense that it would mostly go away if you drank some water.
But I'm just theorizing here.
I believe the VOC's in Flavorings also play a Role in a False Positive Result.
That's why many countries don't go by breathalizer alone. Testing positive gives them a reason to haul you in and have a blood sample taken, and only the latter counts in court for any DUI charges.
Breathalizer alone just don't cut it because of so many false positive readings. Vaping just adds to the long list of these. So if some law rep gets on that horse, I'd insist on having a blood sample taken.
Breathalizer alone just don't cut it because of so many false positive readings. Vaping just adds to the long list of these. So if some law rep gets on that horse, I'd insist on having a blood sample taken.
My point was also mainly along the lines that the amount of inconvenience a person can be put through merely because they vape. While a blood test would exonerate you, most departments will not return you to your vehicle if you test negative and are released. Most departments will have your vehicle towed immediately for road safety reasons. If you actually had to retain counsel and go to court to refute it, there is no reimbursement.
I have actually been detained and questioned by an officer while vaping simply because he saw "smoke", but didn't see a traditional cigarette in my hand. Luckily the officer was courteous and openminded and we had a nice conversation about the benefits of vaping. I would think most officers would be this way, but as we know some aren't. Bear in mind this was back when APV's weren't as prevalent as they are now, so I understand him saying "WTF" to himself when he saw it.
My fear is that the media or some legislator will skew this into some kind of "vaping leads to the same impairment as drinking so we shouldn't be able to drive or work while vaping". Or worse.
Call me paranoid, but look at how they've skewed all the other data.
People used to see me vape and ask questions, find it interesting, and see the benefits. Now they give me looks of disdain worse than that they give smokers. Even smokers give me dirty looks while I leave no ash, lingering smell, or cigarette butts lying around. lol
It just seems that the research into vaping, that I believe we need, is being squandered on the wrong areas.
OK...........rant over. Can you tell I need a vape and its not break time yet? (and we used to be able to vape indoors here at work).
Times they are a changing, and not for the better for us. I'm scared.......HOLD ME!
I have actually been detained and questioned by an officer while vaping simply because he saw "smoke", but didn't see a traditional cigarette in my hand. Luckily the officer was courteous and openminded and we had a nice conversation about the benefits of vaping. I would think most officers would be this way, but as we know some aren't. Bear in mind this was back when APV's weren't as prevalent as they are now, so I understand him saying "WTF" to himself when he saw it.
My fear is that the media or some legislator will skew this into some kind of "vaping leads to the same impairment as drinking so we shouldn't be able to drive or work while vaping". Or worse.
Call me paranoid, but look at how they've skewed all the other data.
People used to see me vape and ask questions, find it interesting, and see the benefits. Now they give me looks of disdain worse than that they give smokers. Even smokers give me dirty looks while I leave no ash, lingering smell, or cigarette butts lying around. lol
It just seems that the research into vaping, that I believe we need, is being squandered on the wrong areas.
OK...........rant over. Can you tell I need a vape and its not break time yet? (and we used to be able to vape indoors here at work).
Times they are a changing, and not for the better for us. I'm scared.......HOLD ME!
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Times they are a changing, and not for the better for us. I'm scared.......HOLD ME!
I really think that Things will be OK.
Because unless you are a Very Poor Driver who Swerves a lot, and have a Medical Condition which causes you to have perennial Bloodshot Eyes, I'd say the chances of you even having to take a Breathalyzer Test (and then Failing because you have been Vaping) are pretty Small.
I'm speaking more akin to the media or others skewing it to say that reason people vape is because they want to get "high" ( I know, I'm old and my terminology is out of date), and that is why there such an appeal to "young people".
Yes, I agree about the driving part. My point is that it now puts more of our freedom to vape at the discretion of others.
Ive worked with law enforcement. Its impossible to drive from one side of town to the other without causing some minor infraction. Even outdated ones (i.e. blue laws). If you gave an officer too much trouble, you got every ticket that could legally be given to you. The canned response..........."tell it to the judge" (at your expense).
Ok, now that's over................my point wasn't really about the worry of getting pulled over and charged for DUI/DWI. My fault. I fed that monster.
My point was worrying how this particular set of data might possibly be skewed, for sensationalistic reasons, that might negatively impact the vaping community.
apparently I'm pretty good at "sensationalizing" things because my only desire was to make conversation and present a comedic response about a very serious problem we, as a vaping community, face with the media and the public. My primary focus was not the danger of being accused of DUI/DWI from vaping, but more along the lines of where and how will others try to use this data to make headlines by trying to placing negative connotation onto vaping.
Oh I'm sure the "Alcohol in e-Liquids" story will make the rounds in some Media Outlets. And then do what All Media Stories do when there is No More new News about it. Or when Something Bigger comes along. And that is to Die a Quiet Death.
Because there is Something Much Bigger coming down the Road. And that is Deeming.
At this point, I don't think Alcohol being in Some e-Liquids is going to Effect the Outcome of Deeming.
And I don't think the FDA will put much Credence in this Yale Study with the Levels of Alcohol that are involved. There just Isn't enough "Booze in the Juice".
But. I don't see the FDA Allowing Alcohol as an Added Ingredient. Irregardless of this Yale Study.
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