Vaping and Cardio

[Newland82]

Hello all this is my first post here on this website. I am not new to ecigs, I bought Trog's screwdriver (RIPOFF) back in early 2009, I eventually ended up with a silverbullet, which I loved (but cannot seem to find anymore) vaped until mid 2010 and started smoking real cigarettes* again up until about a month ago.

* (I refuse to call them analog, that sounds so .......'n stupid.)

Anyhoo, my question is, does anyone here do much cardio exercise (ie running, swimming, aerobics, etc) and how much does vaping effect your performance compared to smoking real cigs, compared to not vaping/smoking at all.

Thanks

 

[John D in CT]

Hello all this is my first post here on this website. I am not new to ecigs, I bought Trog's screwdriver (RIPOFF) back in early 2009, I eventually ended up with a silverbullet, which I loved (but cannot seem to find anymore) vaped until mid 2010 and started smoking real cigarettes* again up until about a month ago.

* (I refuse to call them analog, that sounds so .......'n stupid.):laugh:

Anyhoo, my question is, does anyone here do much cardio exercise (ie running, swimming, aerobics, etc) and how much does vaping effect your performance compared to smoking real cigs, compared to not vaping/smoking at all.

Thanks

Howdy, and welcome back to the vaposphere. First, I applaud your refusal to use the term "analogs"; I liked it for a while, but that faded fast. I like "stinkies", then "ciggies".

On the cardio thing; I'm not a doctor, but I do play one on the interwebs, so here's my take: IMO vaping will do you a world of good with cardio, for reasons too numerous and obvious to list, though I will make one exception to that. Just getting rid of the carbon monoxide produced by the combustion of tobacco leaves will make a huge difference. Red blood cells cannot distinguish between CO and O2, they just see the "O" and latch on to the CO molecule, dutifully make the long trek to a given cell looking for some O2, and hand it something absolutely worthless. That's just one reason that one's entire body falls apart from smoking, and not just the lungs and throat.

One thing I will say is that nicotine is not entirely harmless. It does elevate blood pressure (being a vasoconstrictor) and increase heart rate, and I would advise anyone to reduce their level as low as they possibly can, with zero being a good goal. If you can't hack that, then fine. You're still worlds better than you were when smoking ... ummm.. stinkies.

 

[bodrell]

I agree, I don't like the term "analog" either!

I'm no athlete but I do walk (briskly) a lot with the dogs and sometimes bike, and snowshoe in winter. What John D said, scientificamally. What I've noticed personally is that I have more energy and endurance** without that heavy feeling in my chest after exertion now that I'm barely smoking any more. (And my morning cough has completely disappeared, after about 5 weeks vaping.) My BP has always been really low, 90/60 I used to joke that I smoked to keep my heart beating LOL. It will be interesting to see if it changes now.

**So much so that I have run late for work - good thing I am self-employed - several time in the last month because I've walked further than I intended to with the dogs in the morning because it felt so good!

 

[Newland82]

Haha that's cool man thanks for the reply. I mean it would make sense to me also if somebody told me that the lack of tar in ecigs would be a benefit on the lungs, although i do notice while vaping mostly VG I clear my throat alot and wonder if whatever is going on there is also going on in my lungs.

I know that truthfully (as far as I know) the verdict is basically still out on ecig effects on us humans, apart from the good ole nicotine, as you mentioned.

I'm glad that I'm back in the vaposphere as well, it's been a while. I just love those damn killer "stinkies" so much, there's really nothing like them, smoking cigs and drinking beer is heaven to me, but vaping is a good alternative for me right now until I get to the place in my life where I'm done with it all, and speaking of drinking, it is just not as appealing to me anymore now that I'm vaping which will save me additional money. I think i can actually afford cable TV now!

 

[John D in CT]

Haha that's cool man thanks for the reply. I mean it would make sense to me also if somebody told me that the lack of tar in ecigs would be a benefit on the lungs, although i do notice while vaping mostly VG I clear my throat alot and wonder if whatever is going on there is also going on in my lungs.

I know that truthfully (as far as I know) the verdict is basically still out on ecig effects on us humans, apart from the good ole nicotine, as you mentioned.

I'm glad that I'm back in the vaposphere as well, it's been a while. I just love those damn killer "stinkies" so much, there's really nothing like them, smoking cigs and drinking beer is heaven to me, but vaping is a good alternative for me right now until I get to the place in my life where I'm done with it all, and speaking of drinking, it is just not as appealing to me anymore now that I'm vaping which will save me additional money. I think i can actually afford cable TV now!

Here, you need this; it's part of my "stump speech" to smokers: (cut-and-paste)

"I have a little analogy that I tell to people who tell me that they "don't have the willpower" to quit cigarettes and start vaping; I tell them "imagine that you have a really ugly girlfriend who smells bad, steals money from you, is poisoning your food, and doesn't care if you live or die. Then imagine that a Victoria's Secret model comes along and asks you to run away with you so she can please you for the rest of your life. Would it really take a lot of will power to acccept that offer"?

That's about the size of it. And no, vaping is not just like smoking. it's more enjoyable, costs far less, and ....... umm ..... er.... having a Rick Perry moment here ... lesseee ..... more enjoyable ... costs less ... and ......

oh yeah, now I remember .... it doesn't kill you!

And hey, email me any time. I know so much about this stuff now it is not even funny. I can tell you exactly waht to buy, right down to the last trim piece, for small money - even variable voltage on the cheap, which is the ONLY way to go (well except for variable wattage, but I haven't got all day here )

(And search on Smoktech VMax if you want to pop a woodie) LOLOL

$128, batteries not included, and worth every penny! Arguably the best mass-production PV on the planet right now, but do NOT say that in the ProVape forum!!!! (ProVari reference)

 

[elfstone]

Just a random pic:


Victoria's Secret by TomQH


On topic: I noticed a very sizeable effect on my ability to swim, especially underwater, fairly soon after I switched to vaping. It brought me infinite joy! I've always loved swimming, and was very aware that smoking was making it harder and harder!

 

[John D in CT]

Just a random pic:

Yeah, she'd get the job done

On topic: I noticed a very sizeable effect on my ability to swim, especially underwater, fairly soon after I switched to vaping. It brought me infinite joy! I've always loved swimming, and was very aware that smoking was making it harder and harder!

That's odd, I found that smoking was making it softer and softer LOL

 

[elfstone]

Yeah, that type of cardio is definitely made better by vaping vs. smoking in more ways than one.

 

[mineaux]

I'm new to vaping and was wondering the same thing, Ive always played sports and smoked cigarettes ( often immediately after ) and now that I'm getting older shortness of breath has made me look for smoking alternatives. Heres hoping e-cigs are the answer.

 

[Newland82]

Here, you need this; it's part of my "stump speech" to smokers: (cut-and-paste)

"I have a little analogy that I tell to people who tell me that they "don't have the willpower" to quit cigarettes and start vaping; I tell them "imagine that you have a really ugly girlfriend who smells bad, steals money from you, is poisoning your food, and doesn't care if you live or die. Then imagine that a Victoria's Secret model comes along and asks you to run away with you so she can please you for the rest of your life. Would it really take a lot of will power to acccept that offer"?

That's about the size of it. And no, vaping is not just like smoking. it's more enjoyable, costs far less, and ....... umm ..... er.... having a Rick Perry moment here ... lesseee ..... more enjoyable ... costs less ... and ......

oh yeah, now I remember .... it doesn't kill you!

And hey, email me any time. I know so much about this stuff now it is not even funny. I can tell you exactly waht to buy, right down to the last trim piece, for small money - even variable voltage on the cheap, which is the ONLY way to go (well except for variable wattage, but I haven't got all day here )

(And search on Smoktech VMax if you want to pop a woodie) LOLOL

$128, batteries not included, and worth every penny! Arguably the best mass-production PV on the planet right now, but do NOT say that in the ProVape forum!!!! (ProVari reference)

That's pretty sweet. so it's basically the same thing as a provari but not a provari? I neglected to mention in my first post that I do actually have a variable voltage lavetube, so I definitely agree that variable voltage is the way to go. I love the thing. If it ever takes a .... I will most likely invest in that mod that you just linked me to (assuming that it's built as well as the provari is supposed to be built.)

Back to the quitting smoking and starting vaping stuff, i am very...uh...anti-victimization? for lack of a probably much better term. I believe people aren't really as anchored to cigs as they'd like to make themselves believe. If you smoke, it's because you WANT to smoke. It's because you make the conscious(and unconscious) decision that you would rather smoke and deal with the consequences. I have quit smoking several times, and been completely un tethered from nicotine, but what keeps bring me back is my gluttonous want for the stuff along with laziness. If I'm real stressed out, I'd rather get some quick nicotine in me than go run around the block or do some pullups. I could go on forever about that subject so I'll stop now.

Anyway yeah man that's cool to know someone who knows all the ins and outs in the vape world, since I've sort of been out of it all for so long, so I really appreciate it. I think tanks and cartomizers are the coolest thing ever, I never had them before, I dripped into an atomizer, but now I do have a Lavetube-Tube Tank. I have had no problems with it thus far. I have even recently learned to slot the tank cartomizer with my trusty old roto-zip grinder attachment.

 

[Newland82]

I'm new to vaping and was wondering the same thing, Ive always played sports and smoked cigarettes ( often immediately after ) and now that I'm getting older shortness of breath has made me look for smoking alternatives. Heres hoping e-cigs are the answer.

That's cool man, I hope e-cigs are your answer too. If you ever decide to get off nicotine all together, i can personally vouch for chantix, as far as destroying the cravings* go, although check with your doctor as some people have bad side effects from it, I was one of the people that apart from weird dreams, had no side effects.

*if I was drinking alot and on chantix, I would still smoke, just not nearly as much

Since this isn't a chantix forum I change the subject back. What kind of ecig stuff do you have right now? do you like fruity flavors or tobacco kind of flavors?

 

[John D in CT]

That's pretty sweet. so it's basically the same thing as a provari but not a provari? I neglected to mention in my first post that I do actually have a variable voltage lavetube, so I definitely agree that variable voltage is the way to go. I love the thing. If it ever takes a .... I will most likely invest in that mod that you just linked me to (assuming that it's built as well as the provari is supposed to be built.) .......

... I think tanks and cartomizers are the coolest thing ever, I never had them before, I dripped into an atomizer, but now I do have a Lavetube-Tube Tank. I have had no problems with it thus far. I have even recently learned to slot the tank cartomizer with my trusty old roto-zip grinder attachment.

Well crap, it appears that I won't be able to tell you a damn thing lol

I'll add some links when I can - lots of great discussions about ProVari vs. VMax. I just ordered the latter, and if it's as good in R/L as it is on paper, it should be awesome. Biggest advantage - 2 x 18350 3.7 volt batteries = great power; with advanced PWM (pulse width modulation) to dole it out. Should be a real barn-burner, especially when the stacked batteries go thermal

***

"some people have bad side effects from it, I was one of the people that apart from weird dreams ..."

I tried Chantix, but that was no problem for me - my life is a weird dream lol

***

"Heres hoping e-cigs are the answer".

They are, as long as you have good gear and juice. Ciggies will fall away like leaves from the trees in autumn.

 

[takirb]

I'm gonna take this thread the other direction - I've been vaping for almost a month and have noticed no positive effects from the lack of tobacco, smoke, tar, etc. No negative effects either really, but I feel no different than I did when smoking. I run 6 miles/day at the gym 3 days/week, and am still quite winded after the usual 10min mark. I don't have anymore energy than before, I actually "crash" more often than i used to, and ecigs is the only thing in my normal routine that's changed. Sex life is still the same, still short of breath when working out, and less energy on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, I love vaping, and am sure that its safer than smoking, but i haven't seen any real-life positive health change whatsoever. Oh, I don't feel like crap like I did after smoking a pack of cigs in one sitting while fishing anymore LOL I haven't had a real cig since my first vape almost 4 weeks ago, but i did smoke for 22yrs, and I'm 32yrs old. Hoping ill see improvements in health over time.

 

[John D in CT]

You started when you were 10? (?!) Holy crap, I think that's an ECF record. At any rate, you can't help but see positive effects in due time. Your body is constantly recovering every single moment. You've been smoking for 2/3 of your entire young life, so it's going to take time, but it is happening as we speak.

"I haven't had a real cig since my first vape almost 4 weeks ago ..." And isn't that an amazing thing, when you stop and think about it? Nicely played, sir.

 

[takirb]

Yup, 10 and a half yrs old actually LOL I can't remember what it was like not to smoke, which made it hard to even THINK of quitting, which is also why i really love vaping, for getting me off regular cigs. I was hoping for and expecting some night/day difference in health or general physical feeling as a result of not smoking, but i have yet to feel any real benefit from it. Kinda sucks sometimes and makes me wonder if its worth the switch and all, but based on facts and common sense, I KNOW its better for me to vape. Plus, I'm gadgety, so it immediately turned into an awesome hobby

 

[Newland82]

I'm gonna take this thread the other direction - I've been vaping for almost a month and have noticed no positive effects from the lack of tobacco, smoke, tar, etc. No negative effects either really, but I feel no different than I did when smoking. I run 6 miles/day at the gym 3 days/week, and am still quite winded after the usual 10min mark. I don't have anymore energy than before, I actually "crash" more often than i used to, and ecigs is the only thing in my normal routine that's changed. Sex life is still the same, still short of breath when working out, and less energy on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, I love vaping, and am sure that its safer than smoking, but i haven't seen any real-life positive health change whatsoever. Oh, I don't feel like crap like I did after smoking a pack of cigs in one sitting while fishing anymore LOL I haven't had a real cig since my first vape almost 4 weeks ago, but i did smoke for 22yrs, and I'm 32yrs old. Hoping ill see improvements in health over time.

Appreciate the response. Yeah man I've been smoking most of my life too. Whenever I would quit with the help of patches or chantix, they would work great, but life without cigarettes felt so empty and I hated that so I go back to it time after time. It's laziness and not wanting to leave the comfort zone on my part. I GUESS that my new goal is to ween myself down to 0 nicotine juice.

Off subject, I'm vaping on midnight apple from halo ecig juice. Pretty good to me. It's a apple with ever so slight menthol taste to it.

edit: Of course that weird menthol taste could be coming from this impure cartomizer that has probably had 10 different flavors cycled through it.

 

[frosting]

Heeeey hey on the analog hate lol I admit I go back and forth from cigarette to analog though. I have to say though when I first started vaping... not being flooded by the trigger word "cigarette" helped a lot for me.

Onto athletics. I've been active for a long time. Sometimes more off than on and smoking made it worse. It was easier to give up with the logic " I smoke I'm defeating myself anyways" to now I don't have any excuses which helped some.

I'm not a runner, never have been. I was getting back into running right before I found e-ciggs. It felt dumb to have a cigarette after being on the track an hour. I had trouble completing one lap just from having trouble breathing. Now I can run over a mile non-stop which feels amazing. I would of done my high-school gym teachers proud lol (I was the kid walking the mile cause I hated running) I can run two miles straight on a really great day. When I smoked that was a dream to me.

Long story short a lot has changed. My stamina has completely changed. It depends more on how my muscles and body feel than if I can actually breathe and do it since I quit and switched to vaping. I accomplish and have the energy now to accomplish so much more compared to just six months ago.

 

[takirb]

It never bothered me one bit to light up a cig when i left the gym, I looked forward to it and used it for motivation sometimes LOL The harder the workout, the better the cig tasted. What surprised me is how well that still holds true with an ecig when i leave the gym. It's still just as good, but with better flavor I hope I can run 2 miles flat easily when I'm several months away from real cigs too.

 

[T-Mac]

Don't do much in the way of cardio workouts but it sure is easier going up 3+ flights of stairs since I quit smoking.

 

[VitoCorleone]

Yah... About Chantix, I'm not discounting anyone's experience here but apparently for some significant percentage of people it is rage-in-a-bottle. This is purely anecdotal evidence, but of the 3 people I know that have tried it, myself included, there was significant danger to the people around them. It took literally every ounce of willpower that I had to not stick a pen in someone's neck any time that they walked to my desk. I had to quit taking it after 2 weeks. That's when I turned to vaping, and haven't looked back! Well, except to warn people about Chantix. If that is something that you do wish to try, keep an eye on your moods, and warn the people around you. Good Luck!

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