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davettn

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I suffer from Multiple Sclerosis and I know this thread was done before but it was a fair while ago. I was wondering what your thoughts on nicotine and chronic illness was?

I've read that nicotine is an immunosuppressive drug so with my latest juice I bought it with 6mg of nicotine in it after thinking that it might alleviate some of the inflammation and stiffness or at least slow the symptoms seeing as it is my immune system that is trying to screw me over. Thanks :)
 

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You may get some flack around here for being a non smoker using nicotine. It seems to me in your case it could possibly have big benefit, I know it is being tested as therapy for Alzheimer's as well as other diseases.

If anyone hassles you about it, just know that for the most part we are a bunch of former smokers who want to help.
 
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    I've done research for my Immuno disease, and I have seen plenty studies that support nicotine. But really only for when already in remission. And my disease is interrelated in that it's commonly referred to as a Quitter's Disease.

    My disease was under control, mostly, when smoking and went nuts after I quit and/or reduced my nic to zero.

    Try joining a forum for your disease?? I did and received much support and understanding.

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    I too have MS, but PPMS (not relapsing remitting or secondary progressive). I've been vaping 9 years and have not seen any positive change in inflammation (as seen on my MRI's) or any positive change in stiffness.

    PPMS has much less inflammation of the type seen in RRMS or SPMS (fewer inflammatory cells in the lesions). The majority of my lesions are in my spinal cord (vs brain) and so most of my disability is a steady worsening of motor neurological functioning.

    PPMS may actually be pathophysiologically distinct from RRMS and SPMS since it does not respond to treatments that do affect these patterns of disease. There is no treatment (thus far) that can help slow down my form of MS.

    Hope vaping nicotine does something positive for you.:)
     
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    I feel you. Mine is PPMS too. Changing my diet seems to have slowed progression down immensely but it's at a plateau. So I'm looking for anything that might help in even the slightest way. I find that the drugs I've read about have often nasty side effects (although not all)

    I guess I'm just going on a few articles and trying for anything at this moment in time. He who dares, right?
     

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    I suffer from Multiple Sclerosis and I know this thread was done before but it was a fair while ago. I was wondering what your thoughts on nicotine and chronic illness was?

    I've read that nicotine is an immunosuppressive drug so with my latest juice I bought it with 6mg of nicotine in it after thinking that it might alleviate some of the inflammation and stiffness or at least slow the symptoms seeing as it is my immune system that is trying to screw me over. Thanks :)
    I have SPMS now. Started as RR and 17 years later it progressed.
    Nicotine helps with my spasticity! My MS dr states that stiffness is part of spasticity.
    I have both stiffness and jumping muscles.
    Nic helps a lot with the stiffness. It's gotten so I have to take a few hits of 15-18 mg just to get out of the bed.
    All the pharmaceuticals make me too tired or week, or are just as addictive.
    I will be trying the Baclophen pump out in the near future. But I don't have high hopes.
    I have mentioned nicotine trials to the MS clinic in my area, but no one believes that will happen anytime soon.
    If it helps you let me know that somebody else gets some benefits from nicotine.
    Good luck!!!

    ETA: I was a smoker and currently wheelchair bound.
     
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    davettn

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    I've found early on that it makes me feel a bit weak but I think, cos I've rarely been a user of nicotine products I was taking too much. Cutting down helps but you're right my muscles don't jump nearly as much in bed since doing it.

    I also found that baclofen made my legs worse so I think it's trial and error for everyone. No two cases are the same but it seems some things that help, help most people (I.E nicotine)

    Stay strong mate. I genuinely believe nothing is incurable!
     

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    Immunosuppressive and Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Nicotine Administered by Patch in an Animal Model

    I can only offer my experience with a 2 year Nerve injury to the upper right side. Constant pain in (R) Shoulder/neck, Numbness and weakening of the (R) arm/Hand.

    Not vaping, light vaping, heavy vaping(18hrs.) on 3mg/ml seems to offer no change in pain levels.....................then again the anti-inflammatories do little to help.

    * I would suggest, since you are a non-smoker, if it does nothing - switch back to -0mg- or minimal nic as you prefer.

    Best of luck!
    :)
     
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    Here are a few studies on nicotine and MS

    Novel Therapeutic Approach by Nicotine in Experimental Model of Multiple Sclerosis

    ...............Conclusion:
    Our data indicate that nicotine can significantly improve the clinical score and attenuate the demyelinating pathology typically found in experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis, indicating that nicotine has protective effects in experimental model of multiple sclerosis.


    Acta Pharmacologica Sinica - Nicotine and inflammatory neurological disorders

    ..............Epidemiological studies have shown an association of smoking with a higher occurrence of MS35, 37, 39, while our results show that nicotine exposure significantly delays and attenuates inflammatory and autoimmune responses to myelin antigens in the mouse experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE) model40. This occurs whether nicotine treatment begins prior to, at the time of, or after immunization with myelin antigens to induce EAE. Moreover, nicotine exposure also suppresses disease development on adoptive transfer of autoimmune T cells. First, we demonstrated that the expansion of MOG-reactive T cells from the spleen in nicotine-treated mice was significantly dampened. In these animals, MOG-reactive Th cells produced less IFN-γ and IL-2 than cells from PBS-treated controls, whereas the production of IL-10, and particularly TGF-β, was augmented. A marginal, but not significant, reduction of IL-17 was observed in mice received nicotine. Our observation is somewhat surprising given the augmentation of TGF-β in nicotine exposed mice. Nicotine also did not appear to induce apoptosis in autoreactive T cells. This outcome invites the prediction that the immunological effects induced by nicotine may have contributed to the decreased T cell proliferation and altered cytokine profile. We also observed that, although the absolute numbers of CD4+CD25+ regulatory T cells were not dramatically altered by nicotine exposure, expression of FoxP3 was significantly upregulated. These regulatory T cells with enhanced FoxP3 expression may contribute to the suppression of T effector/autoreative cells. Furthermore, we found that nicotine significantly reduced levels of MHC class II, CD80, and CD86 expression on peripheral CD11c+ and CD11b+ cells. Notably, these changes were more dramatic for CD11b+ cells. It is likely that the altered APC phenotype in nicotine-treated animals may, at least in part, reduce the encephalitogenic capacity of MOG-reactive T cells in the EAE model.

    In the CNS, in sharp contrast with control EAE mice, nicotine-treated animals had relatively few cellular infiltrates in CNS. Further, flow cytometry analysis of the cellular infiltrates showed that a significant reduction of CD4+, CD8+, CD19+, CD11c+, CD11b+, and CD11b+CD45+cell populations; and the reductions in CD19+ B cells and CD11c+ dendritic cells seem to reflect diminished migration into the CNS from the periphery. It is presently unclear whether the reduction of CD4+ and CD8+ cells in the CNS stems from reduced influx from the periphery, impaired expansion in the CNS after migration, or both. Whatever the mechanism may be, it is clear that there is significantly reduced expression of antigen presentation machinery by resident or infiltrating CD11c+and CD11b+ cells.

    There are several possibilities as to how nicotine attenuates the disease even after EAE has been initiated after concurrence of CNS symptoms (Table 2). Nicotine may inhibit myelin-reactive T cell determinant spreading when T cells migrating from the periphery encounter CNS antigens.........


    Nicotine and serotonin in immune regulation and inflammatory processes: a perspective
     

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    As someone who was misdiagnosed with MS for a year (later to find I have Neuromyelitis optica) I began following the research when I came across studies that nicotine may be beneficial in treating autoimmune / neurological disorders. As for myself, I will continue using nicotine and my neurologist agrees.
     
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