Vaping and Mormons.

[freedomendured]

no its the amish that arent allowed to have fun ....

Actually the Amish are one of the few religions I have a lot of respect for.

They all go through a time period called the rumspringa, which begins at age 16. They can begin to experience what life outside the amish world is like. They can dress "english" (normal), drive cars, smokie, drink, whatever.

And after they feel like they can make a definitive decision, they can choose either to go and become a member of the Amish church (pretty much for life), or they can stay "english" and live outside the church's bounds.

I respect that they give their people a choice at 16 whether they want to commit their life to their church or to experience all the world has to offer.

And suprisingly, 80% go back to the church.

 

[GavinMcCall]

no its the amish that arent allowed to have fun ....

nope its have fun too. i should know, i live in the morman capitol for christ sake. and for those who dont know thats utah. mormons here are wicked radicals, im like the antichrist to them, i smoke, i drink, i drink cofee im not a virgin and i do...other things.

 

[chief druid]

Actually the Amish are one of the few religions I have a lot of respect for.

They all go through a time period called the rumspringa, which begins at age 16. They can begin to experience what life outside the amish world is like. They can dress "english" (normal), drive cars, smokie, drink, whatever.

And after they feel like they can make a definitive decision, they can choose either to go and become a member of the Amish church (pretty much for life), or they can stay "english" and live outside the church's bounds.

I respect that they give their people a choice at 16 whether they want to commit their life to their church or to experience all the world has to offer.

And suprisingly, 80% go back to the church.

hands up who knew what they wanted at 16 years old ....

 

[GavinMcCall]

I stand corrected.. yes, its JW's.... then again, not much of a difference really.
My best,
-VP

the difference is that Mormons are weird and Jahovas Witeness' are wack jobs, no offense ment if anyone here is jw thats just my experience.

yeah i lived with mormons my whole life and i thought they were nuts...then my familly moved to Charlotte NC and got acquainted with the JW. they made my parents seem normal

MORMON take the 2nd M out.

i almost died. and apparently im slowest, i stared at it for a couple minutes before i decided i wouldnt get it and kept reading to this post

Okay..It has to be said.
Did you hear about the singing group made up of mentally challenged kids?
They trained them with rewards of candy and soda, but the sugar got them too wound up, so they switched them to diet soda and fruit.
You still say you've never heard of them?
Sure you have.
The ..... Tab and Apple Choir.

I am truly sorry for that, but I couldn't help myself.

and im glad you couldnt cuz i havnt laughed that hard in a while, i almost ...... myself.


also i dont have a problem with mormons i just see them like i do most religiously zealous people, and thats severely backwards. again no problem with people of faith its just most religion breaks my logic loving brain.

 

[chief druid]

im like the antichrist to them, i smoke, i drink, i drink cofee im not a virgin and i do...other things.

whats the plural for antichrist???

 

[GavinMcCall]

whats the plural for antichrist???

things that im sure the mods wouldnt like me talking about
dig yer avi btw

 

[Vapor Pete]

Actually the Amish are one of the few religions I have a lot of respect for.

They all go through a time period called the rumspringa, which begins at age 16. They can begin to experience what life outside the amish world is like. They can dress "english" (normal), drive cars, smokie, drink, whatever.

And after they feel like they can make a definitive decision, they can choose either to go and become a member of the Amish church (pretty much for life), or they can stay "english" and live outside the church's bounds.

I respect that they give their people a choice at 16 whether they want to commit their life to their church or to experience all the world has to offer.

And suprisingly, 80% go back to the church.

Yeah, the only problem is that at 16... the "rest of your life" means nothing, a 16 year old cant rationalize it. At 16, you have no idea what the world has to offer. It takes years to find that out! At 16, (in this state) they say you arent old enough to have a one night stand if you want because you lack the mental ability to decide such a life altering experience, how are they to decide something that will affect the rest of their life? 80% may go back. But ya know what, give them another rumspringa when they turn 30 and I bet it wouldnt be an 80% return.
And dont forget, should these 16 year olds decide not to return, they face excommunication from not only their church, but their FAMILY. What KID would want that? So they go back.
My best,
-VP

 

[deeptrout]

Yes it is. They cannot drink alcohol, smoke anything, or use any addictive substance. furthermore, they also must decline blood transfusions even if it means saving their own child. Court cases are pending on that very matter. So I would have a hard time with a mormon who is lighting up a cig as they try to get into my house and sell me their pamphlets. But then again, par for the course. Talking outta one side of their mouth, smokin a cig outta the other.
My best,
-VP

i do want to clarify this is very incorrect, you may be talking about fundamentalist Mormons or FLDS they are the nut job polygamists you hear about in arizona. also mormons in utah tend to be a bit holier than thou while non utah mormons tend to be a bit more....progressive?

Before anyone lambasts me about making these statements i grew up LDS/mormon and being gay while living in utah is definately an eye opening experience

 

[Vapor Pete]

i do want to clarify this is very incorrect, you may be talking about fundamentalist Mormons or FLDS they are the nut job polygamists you hear about in arizona. also mormons in utah tend to be a bit holier than thou while non utah mormons tend to be a bit more....progressive?

Before anyone lambasts me about making these statements i grew up LDS/mormon and being gay while living in utah is definately an eye opening experience

Hey deep,
Thanks for the clarification. I know you dont know me from Adam, but when I speak of a religious groups "rules" it is to be presumed I am talking about fundamentalist. In my mind, if you are going to associate yourself with a religious sect, you should be fundamentalist and follow the "rules". If you dont, then you are picking and choosing the rules that fit, and those are the people that I call into question. Ok I lied... I call them all into question lol!
Anyway, being gay and belonging to any religious sect would be an eye opening experience Im would think, and hopefully for you... you escaped. I am assuming that you werent gay while in the church, (since no religion lets you be who you are, except UU's), but "came out when you got out"? I would certainly like to hear your story. Btw... I myself am not gay, I am a supporter of tolerance, understanding, and freedom.
My best,
-VP

 

[jim420]

I believe utard came from wyoming
although I live in UT I have used the name for decades


this thread is hilarious.........being raised mormon and all(not anymore)

let me explain religion as a whole

if your neighbor is a jackass...........it's because he's a jackass
if he's a great guy .........it's because he's a great guy
if a college coed drinks two shots, sleeps with the football team and crashes into a mall it's because she's a "ho" and a ****ty driver, not because of the alcohol

What you say might be true, but at least those people are not self-righteous and try (very hard) to force everyone else to live according to their values. If I am an a**hole, I still don't try to pass laws so that everyone behaves, by law, like an a**hole.

 

[deeptrout]

Hey deep,
Thanks for the clarification. I know you dont know me from Adam, but when I speak of a religious groups "rules" it is to be presumed I am talking about fundamentalist. In my mind, if you are going to associate yourself with a religious sect, you should be fundamentalist and follow the "rules". If you dont, then you are picking and choosing the rules that fit, and those are the people that I call into question. Ok I lied... I call them all into question lol!
Anyway, being gay and belonging to any religious sect would be an eye opening experience Im would think, and hopefully for you... you escaped. I am assuming that you werent gay while in the church, (since no religion lets you be who you are, except UU's), but "came out when you got out"? I would certainly like to hear your story. Btw... I myself am not gay, I am a supporter of tolerance, understanding, and freedom.
My best,
-VP

anyway as much as i disagree with the whole concept of organized religion and believe it is the most evil thing in this world the actual beliefs of the mormon religion technically allow for straying from the initial beliefs. For example joseph smith (the first mormon basically the mormon elrond hubbard) was a strong proponent of equal rights for black people and strongly opposed slavery (this is what i have read) shortly after his death the new "prophet" of the mormon church did an about face and black people were not allowd to hold positions in the church........

.......fast forward about 100 years to the 70s and the civil rights movement the lds church still considers black people to be cursed with the mark of cain and not worthy of holding any position in the church. when it looks likely the supreme court is about to get involved for the churches racial discrimination the prophet of thier day (i could look up his name but ive already wasted too much time on this story) miraculously is told by god himself that the black folk of the world have FINALLY suffered long enough and are welcome into the fold and can hold the priesthood.

if you find this interesting try finding a picture of a black person holding a high office in the church like the quorum of the 12 or hell, play find the black person in the mormon tabernachle choir.......

the points i was trying to make were that mormons change thier beliefs when its convenient for them but its ok because god told them to. for example the mormon church buys a coke bottleing plant and holy crap mormons can drink coke now. thats like a rabbi buying a pig farm or a crab boat..........mormons piss me off

edit: here is a large picture of the tabernacle choir if you want to play along
http://www.usafreserveband.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/041026-F-9999H-001.jpg

 

[Vapor Pete]

anyway as much as i disagree with the whole concept of organized religion and believe it is the most evil thing in this world the actual beliefs of the mormon religion technically allow for straying from the initial beliefs. For example joseph smith (the first mormon basically the mormon elrond hubbard) was a strong proponent of equal rights for black people and strongly opposed slavery (this is what i have read) shortly after his death the new "prophet" of the mormon church did an about face and black people were not allowd to hold positions in the church........

.......fast forward about 100 years to the 70s and the civil rights movement the lds church still considers black people to be cursed with the mark of cain and not worthy of holding any position in the church. when it looks likely the supreme court is about to get involved for the churches racial discrimination the prophet of thier day (i could look up his name but ive already wasted too much time on this story) miraculously is told by god himself that the black folk of the world have FINALLY suffered long enough and are welcome into the fold and can hold the priesthood.

if you find this interesting try finding a picture of a black person holding a high office in the church like the quorum of the 12 or hell, play find the black person in the mormon tabernachle choir.......

the points i was trying to make were that mormons change thier beliefs when its convenient for them but its ok because god told them to. for example the mormon church buys a coke bottleing plant and holy crap mormons can drink coke now. thats like a rabbi buying a pig farm or a crab boat..........mormons piss me off

edit: here is a large picture of the tabernacle choir if you want to play along
http://www.usafreserveband.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/041026-F-9999H-001.jpg

Absolutly great. I think though that if any sect were about to be dragged into court under civil rights laws, god would be talking to them too. Especially about slavery.... since nowhere in the bible did god, or jesus, denounce the practice. Ironically it was a human being, not god, who ended it.
And I know who big joe smith is, I live about 40 minutes from the town where he "found" his books of b*llsh*t. Thanks for the pic too. Pricless!
My best,
-VP

 

[planetofthevapes]

anyway as much as i disagree with the whole concept of organized religion and believe it is the most evil thing in this world the actual beliefs of the mormon religion technically allow for straying from the initial beliefs. For example joseph smith (the first mormon basically the mormon elrond hubbard) was a strong proponent of equal rights for black people and strongly opposed slavery (this is what i have read) shortly after his death the new "prophet" of the mormon church did an about face and black people were not allowd to hold positions in the church........

.......fast forward about 100 years to the 70s and the civil rights movement the lds church still considers black people to be cursed with the mark of cain and not worthy of holding any position in the church. when it looks likely the supreme court is about to get involved for the churches racial discrimination the prophet of thier day (i could look up his name but ive already wasted too much time on this story) miraculously is told by god himself that the black folk of the world have FINALLY suffered long enough and are welcome into the fold and can hold the priesthood.

if you find this interesting try finding a picture of a black person holding a high office in the church like the quorum of the 12 or hell, play find the black person in the mormon tabernachle choir.......

the points i was trying to make were that mormons change thier beliefs when its convenient for them but its ok because god told them to. for example the mormon church buys a coke bottleing plant and holy crap mormons can drink coke now. thats like a rabbi buying a pig farm or a crab boat..........mormons piss me off

edit: here is a large picture of the tabernacle choir if you want to play along
http://www.usafreserveband.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/041026-F-9999H-001.jpg

[start rant]

Holy damn, I gotta tell ya, it never occurred to me that all I ever saw in the churches I went to were white people...I'm talking like...super dooper egg shell white...and I never noticed. OMG. It's true, totally true!

What ...... me off the most was...back in bible times prophets were "chosen by God." No man told them they were prophets of God, in fact, most refused to believe it at all. But if you go to a mormon church you will notice that becoming a "prophet" in the church has nothing to do with God. To be a prophet you work your way up from a lowly little boy handing out sacrament to handling church affairs...working your way up to be in the running for prophet. It was never disclosed to me how the people who were "eligible" were narrowed down for the final decision. But in no way is a prophet considered a prophet in my eyes because they were chosen by man in the end. I just think it's hilarious that they prophet has to be this person that followed the church for years when back in biblical times the prophet could be just a lowly citizen that may or may not have ever even studied religion at all. Ok, now that that is out of the way.

What makes me laugh even more than that is we were always taught that the FLDS were the ones that gave the LDS the bad name. The FLDS practiced polygamy and had arranged marriages and had millions of kids....etc. But I actually was reading some info in the back of my Book of Mormon one day to see that there was a message from one of the former prophets that pretty much said (in summary) that they [the LDS mormons] had been caught with polygamy and that man's law now said that it was no longer allowed so they were going to forget about "God's law" and follow man's law and stop practicing polygamy. Ok, great...so they don't marry a few women all at once anymore. Good for them. But they lie to all of the churchgoers that they never have when then their own Book of Mormon says that they used to. Oh, and if they really believed God's law was to practice polygamy (I know I'm spelling that wrong aren't i?) then why would they quit? I'm sorry, but if God told me to cut down every maple tree in the world but President Obama told me to stop because we need Maple trees, I would do it anyways! That doesn't speak well towards the church admitting that they believe that God wanted them to do something but they aren't going to do it because man said not to! Oh, and seriously...in these days if "man" were to add notes to a bible and try and sell it...it would be looked down upon. So the fact that they add notes to their book of mormon when it becomes convenient is a little bit wierd anyways.

[end rant]

 

[deeptrout]

[start rant]

Holy damn, I gotta tell ya, it never occurred to me that all I ever saw in the churches I went to were white people...I'm talking like...super dooper egg shell white...and I never noticed. OMG. It's true, totally true!

What ...... me off the most was...back in bible times prophets were "chosen by God." No man told them they were prophets of God, in fact, most refused to believe it at all. But if you go to a mormon church you will notice that becoming a "prophet" in the church has nothing to do with God. To be a prophet you work your way up from a lowly little boy handing out sacrament to handling church affairs...working your way up to be in the running for prophet. It was never disclosed to me how the people who were "eligible" were narrowed down for the final decision. But in no way is a prophet considered a prophet in my eyes because they were chosen by man in the end. I just think it's hilarious that they prophet has to be this person that followed the church for years when back in biblical times the prophet could be just a lowly citizen that may or may not have ever even studied religion at all. Ok, now that that is out of the way.

What makes me laugh even more than that is we were always taught that the FLDS were the ones that gave the LDS the bad name. The FLDS practiced polygamy and had arranged marriages and had millions of kids....etc. But I actually was reading some info in the back of my Book of Mormon one day to see that there was a message from one of the former prophets that pretty much said (in summary) that they [the LDS mormons] had been caught with polygamy and that man's law now said that it was no longer allowed so they were going to forget about "God's law" and follow man's law and stop practicing polygamy. Ok, great...so they don't marry a few women all at once anymore. Good for them. But they lie to all of the churchgoers that they never have when then their own Book of Mormon says that they used to. Oh, and if they really believed God's law was to practice polygamy (I know I'm spelling that wrong aren't i?) then why would they quit? I'm sorry, but if God told me to cut down every maple tree in the world but President Obama told me to stop because we need Maple trees, I would do it anyways! That doesn't speak well towards the church admitting that they believe that God wanted them to do something but they aren't going to do it because man said not to! Oh, and seriously...in these days if "man" were to add notes to a bible and try and sell it...it would be looked down upon. So the fact that they add notes to their book of mormon when it becomes convenient is a little bit wierd anyways.

[end rant]

Yeah any mormon who says the church never practised polygamy is flat out lying to you or is just rediculously lacking in knowledge of even the most rudimentary church history, I have several relatives just 4-5 generations back that had several wives and were forced to do time in prison because they refused to quit practicing polygamy. back in 1845-1846ish (utah became a state in 1847) the federal government told them they would not be considered for statehood unless they changed thier polygamy laws low and behold another "prophet" had a "revelation" that the polygamy rule needed to change. and about your comment regarding people not getting away with changing the bible.......check on google and see how many versions of the bible you can find....then see how many you can find in latin......then arameaic.......there is always something lost in translation how many times do you think its been translated? the"new student bible" not only translates it into english but modern day american english......fo shizzle dawwwg (the next translation will be in "snoop")

 

[planetofthevapes]

Yeah any mormon who says the church never practised polygamy is flat out lying to you or is just rediculously lacking in knowledge of even the most rudimentary church history, I have several relatives just 4-5 generations back that had several wives and were forced to do time in prison because they refused to quit practicing polygamy. back in 1845-1846ish (utah became a state in 1847) the federal government told them they would not be considered for statehood unless they changed thier polygamy laws low and behold another "prophet" had a "revelation" that the polygamy rule needed to change. and about your comment regarding people not getting away with changing the bible.......check on google and see how many versions of the bible you can find....then see how many you can find in latin......then arameaic.......there is always something lost in translation how many times do you think its been translated? the"new student bible" not only translates it into english but modern day american english......fo shizzle dawwwg (the next translation will be in "snoop")

Oh no, I mean, I know there are several versions of the bible. That wasn't my issue. When we change the bible, we change the version name. So you can have whatever version you want. When the book of mormon is ADDED TO, it remains the same in name. I dunno, it just feels hinky! I don't like it. But I'm no religion expert...I just know I don't like it one bit.

ROFLMAO@"snoop" bible! That's hilarious. I would buy it if it ever came out just for a good giggle!

 

[happily]

What you say might be true, but at least those people are not self-righteous and try (very hard) to force everyone else to live according to their values. If I am an a**hole, I still don't try to pass laws so that everyone behaves, by law, like an a**hole.

I guess you missed my point............I am not mormon(not even kinda) but I have over 200 cousins and aunt's and uncles who are, and they are great people and do not judge or harass me EVER. We get along great.

I am with you on people who push their belief's. I have been through all those fights with many people and many religions. I am definitely a mind your own business and stay out of mine kind of guy

religious zealots are religious zealots no matter what faith, but not all mormons are religious zealots

I also agree that mormons in Utah are more pushy because they are predominant. Which is the same for every faith or color that is predominant in an area.

It's kinda like saying all smokers are inconsiderate .......'s because u met one who was. I'm actually not even here to defend anyone because I'm not going to change ur mind. I was just saying to label an entire group without information is equal to what the fda is doing with e-cigs

I am not saying they're all good, but you can't say they're all bad

 

[happily]

I also find it's easy enough to dislike people on an individual basis

 

[deeptrout]

I guess you missed my point............I am not mormon(not even kinda) but I have over 200 cousins and aunt's and uncles who are, and they are great people and do not judge or harass me EVER. We get along great.

I am with you on people who push their belief's. I have been through all those fights with many people and many religions. I am definitely a mind your own business and stay out of mine kind of guy

religious zealots are religious zealots no matter what faith, but not all mormons are religious zealots

I also agree that mormons in Utah are more pushy because they are predominant. Which is the same for every faith or color that is predominant in an area.

It's kinda like saying all smokers are inconsiderate .......'s because u met one who was. I'm actually not even here to defend anyone because I'm not going to change ur mind. I was just saying to label an entire group without information is equal to what the fda is doing with e-cigs

I am not saying they're all good, but you can't say they're all bad

this actually makes me want to clear something else up. I dont dislike mormons i dislike thier religion. i am joining in this particular discussion because mormons are something im very familiar with, I have many friends who are mormon and most of my extended family is mormon. thats great for them its what they think they need i disagree with thier lifestyle choice much in the same way they disagree with mine

because being gay is clearly a choice.......just like having cancer

my point is Organized religion=evil & followers of those religions=sheep

before anyone attacks me for being a heartless athiest ....... i am definately NOT an atheist......at least not in the sense that i believe there is no higher power. I just dont presume to know what this higher power wants from me or if it wants anything. I believe jesus was a groovy guy who wanted everyone to be groovy to each other. His mom was just a terrified woman who couldnt admit to being raped/having sex with someone other than her husband for fear of being stoned to death. just because i think its dogma is bull5h!T doesnt mean that the basic tenants of many religions are bad. like i said jesus was a groovy guy who wanted everyone to be cool to each other, live and let live and all that junk (again im focusing on christiam beliefs because thats what im most experienced with not becasue i presume to be an expert)

ok there is my rant for the day i hope you enjoyed it and if you found it offensive then you are too easily offended......take a valium

 

[planetofthevapes]

Agreed, it's not the people I dislike, it is the religion. Even though the religion has some good ideas it's got a lot of bad as well. I have met awesome mormons and I have met ones that I would like to never see again.

I like your ideas on life deeptrout!

 

[taz3cat]

Anything mankind touches gets corrupted. The Bible has been written and rewritten by man for 4000 + years. Mankind has a tendency to write thing to benefit himself or his group. Just human nature. The truth is in the Bible but, what did they leave out or slightly change. Live and let live and be kind to one another is what we need to do.

I know I will get attacked but I am going to ignore you, so save your fingers.