Vaping caffeine?
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That's a new one on me. Of course nicotine is a secondary stimulant, analogous to caffeine (my coffee intake has dropped a lot since vaping, as I can now vape in places I couldn't smoke -- I used to have a hot coffee cup glued to my hand).
Not being a chemist, I don't know but suspect it may be possible .. they add caffeine to drinks .. my question is, what's next .. ??
Seems to me, things of this sort just add more fuel to the regulators / banners / haters agenda ..
Seems to me, things of this sort just add more fuel to the regulators / banners / haters agenda ..
There are a few with caffeine available. e.g. Doppio Espresso, Green Cow, Kola Kick, Red Bullet from Decadent Vapours/Totally Wicked (concentrates, but they also do pre-mixed). FlavorWest sell it as an e-liquid additive - Caffeine
I've tried some of the TW caffeine containing ones and they are OK, but one problem is that the caffeine is not really soluble in the base so it tends to seperate and makes a gel like emulsion. It's easy to sort out (warm the bottle and shake it up) but a pain at times. You can tell it's got a bit more kick to it than normal... I don't use these much though TBH.
I've tried some of the TW caffeine containing ones and they are OK, but one problem is that the caffeine is not really soluble in the base so it tends to seperate and makes a gel like emulsion. It's easy to sort out (warm the bottle and shake it up) but a pain at times. You can tell it's got a bit more kick to it than normal... I don't use these much though TBH.
This won't really work... and here's why.
To even begin to feel the effects of caffeine, you need a dose of around 40mg.. this can me MUCH more for a regular caffeine user (coffee drinker) because of tolerance.
The amount of caffeine in, let's say, a rockstar.... that's around 200-240mg. A Caffeine pill? 200mg.. cup of coffee 120mg you get the picture.
So, let's say that our e-cigs deliver caffeine the same way as nicotine... let's assume (because we don't know any better) that the way our bodies 'pick up' (absorb) and 'use' the caffeine is the exact same as the nicotine (same particle size, same carrier material, both water soluable)
Essentially, if an e-cig was able to deliver the amount of caffeine to actually even feel it, we'd all be dead of nicotine poisoning right now... you'd need an insane amount of caffeine / ml, being that the active dose of caffeine starts at around 40mg... remember, nicotine's active dose is in the *micrograms* (the actual amount absorbed by your body and used, not the amount in the medium) an analogue cigarette only delivers at MOST 1.5mg of nicotine to the body, and we can all agree that analogues deliver nicotine much more efficiently than a PV.. so we can infer that actual nicotine delivery via a PV is relatively low, even with high mg juices.
The same thing will hold true for caffeine, and a 1-3mg dose of caffeine isn't going to do jack squat (and looking at the amount of caffeine used in e-liquid from that link above.. it's actually an extremely small amount to begin with)
To even begin to feel the effects of caffeine, you need a dose of around 40mg.. this can me MUCH more for a regular caffeine user (coffee drinker) because of tolerance.
The amount of caffeine in, let's say, a rockstar.... that's around 200-240mg. A Caffeine pill? 200mg.. cup of coffee 120mg you get the picture.
So, let's say that our e-cigs deliver caffeine the same way as nicotine... let's assume (because we don't know any better) that the way our bodies 'pick up' (absorb) and 'use' the caffeine is the exact same as the nicotine (same particle size, same carrier material, both water soluable)
Essentially, if an e-cig was able to deliver the amount of caffeine to actually even feel it, we'd all be dead of nicotine poisoning right now... you'd need an insane amount of caffeine / ml, being that the active dose of caffeine starts at around 40mg... remember, nicotine's active dose is in the *micrograms* (the actual amount absorbed by your body and used, not the amount in the medium) an analogue cigarette only delivers at MOST 1.5mg of nicotine to the body, and we can all agree that analogues deliver nicotine much more efficiently than a PV.. so we can infer that actual nicotine delivery via a PV is relatively low, even with high mg juices.
The same thing will hold true for caffeine, and a 1-3mg dose of caffeine isn't going to do jack squat (and looking at the amount of caffeine used in e-liquid from that link above.. it's actually an extremely small amount to begin with)
Drink the caffeine. Vape the juice (decaff), IMHO.
You can get the caffeine crystals to add to a beverage if you want (DON'T O.D., know how to measure it out).........
You can get the caffeine crystals to add to a beverage if you want (DON'T O.D., know how to measure it out).........
If you want more caffeine, drink coffee or caffeinated sodas. If you want more vitamins, take a pill. Vaping isn't going to be able to give you enough of these to make a difference because uptake is slower and in some cases, adding liquid suppliments to your e-liquid can be dangerous.
It's just hype. It may contain caffiene but it is too little to do anything. To make it even less plausible, nicotine helps the body breakdown the caffiene 2 times faster than naturally.
So even if there were sufficient amounts to do anything, the nicotine in the same solution would eliminate the effects quickly.
Source: http://whyquit.com/pr/100305.html
So even if there were sufficient amounts to do anything, the nicotine in the same solution would eliminate the effects quickly.
Source: http://whyquit.com/pr/100305.html
Didn't they once think we'd be getting our nutrition in pill form by now? I want all my nutrition in VAPE!
At least it tastes better than pills...
I have also seen e juice "infused" with B vitamins. I thought they were fat soluble and would not work if inhaled, but I never did any research on it
I agree with all previous posters for a very simple reason:
Boiling point for PG is 188 deg C
Boiling point of caffeine is WAY higher! (since it's melting point is 238 deg C...)
It's going to kill you atty before it gets to you
I vote for hype. Even if some get's carried with the vapor, it will be so negligible, you will be better off drinking your favorite caffeinated drink.
Boiling point for PG is 188 deg C
Boiling point of caffeine is WAY higher! (since it's melting point is 238 deg C...)
It's going to kill you atty before it gets to you
I vote for hype. Even if some get's carried with the vapor, it will be so negligible, you will be better off drinking your favorite caffeinated drink.
I think I drink MORE coffee now because of I have sooo many great breakfast and bakery flavors to go with it! 
As for vaping caffeine...? Even if I could, I probably wouldn't. Coffee and tea are my only means of caffeine.
As for vaping caffeine...? Even if I could, I probably wouldn't. Coffee and tea are my only means of caffeine.
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