Vaping cause mouth cancer?

[Lashes]

Haha I know nicotine in general does not cause cancer. I guess it was just more of a wear and tear type of question, like the act of absorbing 500,000mg or nicotine through your oral cavities over a 30 year period could in effect cause a tumor to develop.

I guess thats not likely given the posts here. Which is good news

I just feel like im still burning my taste-buds off when I suck the vapor directly over my tongue. I'm still new though so I guess I'll figure it out.

 

[sbphotog]

can you get mouth cancer from vaping?... well, let's break this down ...heat; not a carcinagen, nicotine; not a carcinagen, PG; not a carcinagen, glycerine; not a carcinagen, water; not a carcinagen, candy flavoring; not a carcinagen.

So, unless there are hidden ingredients in the juice that we aren't being told about, I'd say there is no direct threat of mouth cancer from a PV or the juice.

But let's be real here, people are exposed to carcinagens every day of their lives...second hand smoke, car exhaust, air pollution, the list could go on forever. And I'm not gonna let a pathetic scare tactic from the FDA make me second guess whether or not I could be doing myself harm by vaping. I already know the risks of consuming nicotine...and the rest of the ingredients have already been regarded as safe by the FDA (maybe not in regard to the PV, but in general). PG have previously been regarded as safe, as well as glycerine, and the flavoring ingredients...
The FDA wouldn't even be involved right now if it wasn't for the big companies whining like little babies about them losing more money.

 

[sbphotog]

Haha I know nicotine in general does not cause cancer. I guess it was just more of a wear and tear type of question, like the act of absorbing 500,000mg or nicotine through your oral cavities over a 30 year period could in effect cause a tumor to develop.

I guess thats not likely given the posts here. Which is good news

I just feel like im still burning my taste-buds off when I suck the vapor directly over my tongue. I'm still new though so I guess I'll figure it out.

maybe youre just sensetive to PG, try reduced PG or VG instead.

 

[Giantfan]

im going to have to disagre on account that this is a forum geared towards discussion and learning on these products... the title was structured as a question and it deserves all response therein

sure e-cigs are going to cost big tobacco alot of money, but that doesnt mean that we should throw someone's topics and concerns out just because we love our habit

smokers react the same way when someone challenges their beloved cigarette.

i believe all things should be discussed openly, good and bad.

Yeah, but this is a silly topic. It's in fact ignorant. It's like saying "if you eat too many vetetables, will it cause cancer?"

Not saying that vaping is the same, but this is purely a random question with nothing to back it up.

 

[RDWHAHB]

Yeah, but this is a silly topic. It's in fact ignorant. It's like saying "if you eat too many vetetables, will it cause cancer?"

Not saying that vaping is the same, but this is purely a random question with nothing to back it up.

Maybe a bit naive and lacking background, but it was a question not a conclusion. Isn't this the place for them?

You think it is silly for someone to ask if using an e-cigarette can cause mouth cancer? It's the very first thing I researched before purchasing.

 

[kno]

Yeah, but this is a silly topic. It's in fact ignorant. It's like saying "if you eat too many vetetables, will it cause cancer?"

Not saying that vaping is the same, but this is purely a random question with nothing to back it up.

do questions need somethign to back them up?

if he said it without a question mark as a statement it would, but as a question? no

if someone wants to know if too many veggies cause cancer, it's legitimate, no matter how silly it seems to you or i

and i think that question is relevant - i've wondered the same thing

people ask to learn, not to be scrutinized over the validity of their personal wonderings


and after reading this entire thread i'm only convinced of one thing...



i'd do kristen.

 

[Tundra86]

I've been inadvertly tasting the e-liquid in my mouth with my crappy made ptb mods I quickly spit it out I hope it won't do any damage in the long run, I know its a poison if ingested or makes contact with the skin but I seem to have a high tolerance for it since I've been smoking for so long I don't think it will effect me much.

 

[kno]

you'd have to get quite a bit in your mouth to get poisoned depending on the mg, at least 1 ml of 36x, and i'd spit that out fast too.

 

[TaketheRedPill]

I know of this, but cells need to already be damaged and maybe even cancerous before nicotine will have that effect.

Just look at the Swedish snus example. Snus has almost no relationship with oral cancer. I think 20% of Swedish men use snus, and yet there are no statistics that support any increase in disease. (besides a slight increase in pancreatic cancer, which is tiny. And, it isn't even that convincing since a lot of the people in that study were former smokers).

I would agree about cells would likely have to have their vulnerability compromised - 20+years of smoking for instance, or genetic vulnerability - i.e., family history - sure, that makes sense. And I'm certainly not arguing one way or the other on the research I mentioned - just putting it out there for consideration.

Not sure if I understand the whole snus argument, tho.

Lower cancer but higher cardiovascular risk in snu users, according to SwedishMatch (see item #16, referenced on page 3 here): http://whqlibdoc.who.int/mnh/tobac_conv/F5140507.pdf .

here's a surprising summary - rate of oral cancer in snu's users, Scandanavia (see page 5). I wonder what has changed in swedish snus between 1937 and 2009 that would invalidate the studies quoted below?

https://bora.uib.no/bitstream/1956/2153/1/Article_OO_34(6).pdf​

The first study from Scandinavia on snus-associated soft tissue changes was published in 1937 [27]. In that report, among 496 men with cancer of the oral cavity,pharynx, larynx and or oesophagus registered between
1930±36, 91% were daily snus users, and 70% of 68 cases of outer oral cavity cancers used snus. In another case control study, it has been concluded that chewing of tobacco is common among men, with the cases being too small to suggest that it could be a risk factor. It has been stated that, snus dipping in Sweden apparently increases the risk of oral cancer at the site where snu. is placed ®ve- to six-fold [28].

and then there's this study in 2004 by the WHO:​

Major study links ’snus’ spit tobacco to cancer |Oral Cancer News

A study carried out by the World Health Organisation and released this week followed 10,000 Norwegians, of whom two-thirds were snus-lovers. The results show that users of the popular chewing tobacco increase their risk of contracting mouth or pancreatic cancer by 67%.​

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Even with snus, there is a wide conflict between what is being said by snu-marketing companies and what is being said by medical research. So, whether it's vaping or snus, the jury is obviously still out and more definitive research is needed. The percentage of smokers who use Pv's is statistically insignificant right now and complicated by the fact that many PV users already have a 20 or 30 year history of smoking. Hopefully with more smokers and, more importantly, more younger smokers using PVs to quit tobacco smoking, a larger and more diverse study group will emerge which will provide a method for determining the answers we are all looking for regarding safety.

Hope this helps!​

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[TropicalBob]

Good lord, I've been called a happy bunny. That's a first, Janet.

How about this: let's start a thread called "Vaping Causes Uterine Cancer?" You never know unless you ask the knowledgeable community of vapers, right?

Yeh, really ...

 

[JustMeAgain]

The topic headline alone is a shock.

Why give the enemy ammo?

^^^^^^^^^^
Ditto​

 

[Lalesa]

I just feel like im still burning my taste-buds off when I suck the vapor directly over my tongue. I'm still new though so I guess I'll figure it out.

Lashes, I think I can help you with the burning taste buds thing - I had it in the beginning too. This is what I found it to be related to.
When you vape, notice the position of your tongue. I used to wind up with the tip of it near the mouthpiece (in the way of the vapor path). Once I was conscience of that, I made it a point of making sure to move my tongue out of the way when vaping. When it didn't happen anymore, I attributed it to something like wind burn. Haven't had a problem with it since and it didn't take long to have the different tongue position become an automatic thing vs. a thought process of "Oh, my tongue is in the way and I need to move it."
It's all in the technique!

 

[Pumaman]

Good lord, I've been called a happy bunny. That's a first, Janet.

How about this: let's start a thread called "Vaping Causes Uterine Cancer?" You never know unless you ask the knowledgeable community of vapers, right?

Yeh, really ...

If you start vaping with your uterus, please make sure to upload a video to Youtube and post the link, thanks.

 

[WonderfulMe]

When a kid asks if Chevy Chase, Maryland was named after the actor you have a good laugh and then answer their question. You don't criticize them and ignore their question. When someone asks a question you consider "stupid", you answer them. If you can't, maybe it's not such a stupid question.

 

[JustMeAgain]

When a kid asks if Chevy Chase, Maryland was named after the actor you have a good laugh and then answer their question. You don't criticize them and ignore their question. When someone asks a question you consider "stupid", you answer them. If you can't, maybe it's not such a stupid question.

No one should laugh at anyone's question- ever. Lord knows, I've asked a ton of really stupid ones. It's the provocative nature of the thread title that concerns me. We all know there are trolls in here that will take advantage of anything we say here, twisting it to suit their needs.

Lashes, there is nothing wrong with asking a question. But we all need to be careful that we pose these in a way that doesn't makes it easy for one of the nut cases to twist it and use it against 'the cause'.

I can just see them taking a screen shot of the title and posting it wherever they can, question mark or no.

Or maybe I'm just paranoid?

About your question -somebody mentioned the PG/VG thing, and I wanted to chime in and mention that I have had issues w/PG that have been similar to yours. It was like the whole inside of my mouth was burned and it felt like I had tiny sores on the tip of my tongue.

I assumed that it was a PG allergy, but after vaping VG for awhile, I'm trying PG again, and it seems much better.

So maybe just back away from the PG awhile and try again?

I also have learned that some vendors liquids are harsher than others. I have one vendor's PG liquid that I'm using now and I'm not having a bit of problem. If you would like to know who it came from, PM me and I'll be happy to tell you.

So, back to that Chevy Chase thing - was the which came first - the town or the actor.

Is anyone else glad to see Chevy Chase on TV? - the actor, not the town.

 

[hxj]

Lashes, I think I can help you with the burning taste buds thing - I had it in the beginning too. This is what I found it to be related to.
When you vape, notice the position of your tongue. I used to wind up with the tip of it near the mouthpiece (in the way of the vapor path). Once I was conscience of that, I made it a point of making sure to move my tongue out of the way when vaping. When it didn't happen anymore, I attributed it to something like wind burn. Haven't had a problem with it since and it didn't take long to have the different tongue position become an automatic thing vs. a thought process of "Oh, my tongue is in the way and I need to move it."
It's all in the technique!

Actually, I used to get this, too-- and it went away when I switched to all-VG liquids. Turns out I have enough of a PG sensitivity that even the reduced-PG formulas I was using would cause minor issues like that. (Using all-PG liquids caused far more dramatic problems.) It DEFINITELY wasn't because of temperature, this much I know-- my vapour feels barely warmer than taking a mouthful of air.

 

[Giantfan]

I would agree about cells would likely have to have their vulnerability compromised - 20+years of smoking for instance, or genetic vulnerability - i.e., family history - sure, that makes sense. And I'm certainly not arguing one way or the other on the research I mentioned - just putting it out there for consideration.

Not sure if I understand the whole snus argument, tho.

Oral use of Swedish moist snuff (snus) and risk for cancer of the mouth, lung, and pancreas in male construction workers: a retrospective cohort study|Oral Cancer News

"To distinguish possible effects of snus from those of smoking, we focused on 125 576 workers who were reported to be never-smokers at entry. Adjusted relative risks were derived from Cox proportional hazards regression models. Findings:
60 cases of oral, 154 of lung, and 83 of pancreatic cancer were recorded in never-smokers. Snus use was independently associated with increased risk of pancreatic cancer"

"Interpretation:
Use of Swedish snus should be added to the list of tentative risk factors for pancreatic cancer. We were unable to confirm any excess of oral or lung cancer in snus users."

 

[Brewster 59]

I'm not sure weather vaping can cause cancer or not but I am sure that analogs can cause cancer and we still smoke. One of the things I really love about vaping is I can smoke in the house and my wife who has astma is fine with it. Other things that are great, no butts, no ashes, no odor. I really think that even though vaping is better for us and those around us the GD gubberment will ban it and the reason, MONEY!!!!, the tobacco industry will lobby like crazy to get this off the market also the politicians will be out to shut this down because we smokers are being taxed to death and they haven't found a way to stick their greedy hands into this.

 

[CJsKee]

Good lord, I've been called a happy bunny. That's a first, Janet.

How about this: let's start a thread called "Vaping Causes Uterine Cancer?" You never know unless you ask the knowledgeable community of vapers, right?

Yeh, really ...

Precisely...

PS: I just call you "cutie"

 

[Lashes]

Holy ****ING Crap!

Im SORRY I forgot to put "CAN" in the title! I didnt know it was going to be such a big freakin deal.

lets everyone freak out that your e-cigs are going to be banned now because I mis-worded a question on a stupid internet forum. God sometimes you guys are a little overboard.

Everyone just relax. The facts are the facts. Even if they try to ban these things. It will be on absolutely no factual legitimacy and the ruling would be overturned soon after the uprising and burning buildings that would result from you guys

Also, I'm not complaining about "burning" and I dont have any "sores" I said there was a a slight discolor on my lip and I wasnt ever concerned about it. I place the PV further in my mouth, dont have the problem anymore - And I like 'bouncing' the vapor off my tongue because I like the way it tingles afterwords, it's more satisfying to me for some reason.

LOL sorry I'm just having a bad day. sheesh!