There was an incident at my local Timmy's with a fellow vapor he was vaping with his coffee and someone asked him to put it out then the police where called and he was forced to put away or get out.Now I wasn't there I heard this from a friend and he didn't seem to no all the details of what happend so I do not know if the guy didn't explain what it was and just said NO or what exacally transpired all I know is he was vaping in timmys and then the police where called to get involved so I am just wondering if anyone else, has experienced this or anything similar to this I have vaped in restaurants the doctors office and even in the hospital with no problems but then I heard about this incident almost makes me want to go there and do it myself I just don't drink coffee or nothing maybe I'll go for a hot chocolate and a donut and vape and see if they do the same to me after I explain it.
Vaping in Public like at Tim Hortons
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My feelings on this may not be popular, but I feel if you are asked by an establishment not to vape, then you should respect their wishes and put it away. If in doubt of a venue's policy, ask. The only way to make vaping mainstream and accepted by the general public is through education. People as a rule don't want to be educated while arguing with you.
This, this, this, a thousand times - this.
People don't want to listen to you when they are demanding something of you. That's true no matter where you are or what you're doing.
The best way to handle a situation like that is the simply comply, and then when the person who's talking to you calms down, try to at least educate them a bit on what you're doing, without coming off as a snide ....-hole.
Just saying "NO" makes all vapers look bad.
Right on! I agree 100 percent with you Crazy Canuck. Follow the rules, don't ruin it for the rest of us vaper's! People need to ask FIRST and FOREMOST in any establishment in Canada if they may vape, if not, PUT IT AWAY!
Welcome to the forum Gat, and thank you for raising this topic. It never hurts to bring it up every now & then, especially for newer vapers who might not realize the distinction here.
Here's the thing: you can legally vape in any public place. But a Timmies is not a public place. It's a private business on private property, only provisionally open to the public. They make the rules.
There's no law that says people have to wear shoes or shirts, for example...but a private business on private property can make such a rule for their customers. They have the right to refuse service. If you ignore their rules, refuse to comply when asked to, and then still refuse to leave - they can call the police & say "hey, this person won't follow our rules & won't leave - they're trespassing." It's essentially the same kind of deal as if you were in someone's home. It's not a public place! If they want you to stop doing something or go...those are your only choices, lol.
Timmies in particular is a place where it's just not wise to vape...at least, I've always gotten that vibe from there y'know? A lot of families, etc in a relatively small, crowded space. I don't know...maybe some locations are more cool with it than others. I've vaped in malls & all kinds of stores before, and there's never been a problem to date. But if someone had asked me to stop in those places, I would've stopped. Most places that we think of as "public" aren't really public.
A government office is a public place, and you can vape there till the cows come home. I know I have, openly. Amazingly, none of the people working there really took notice. Like they saw it, but they didn't look surprised or shocked or offended. No one stared or pointed; no one asked me to stop. So yay.
Every vaper should bear these things in mind when they're out & about. Be nice & respectful...and know your rights are, and what they aren't. Happy vaping!
Here's the thing: you can legally vape in any public place. But a Timmies is not a public place. It's a private business on private property, only provisionally open to the public. They make the rules.
There's no law that says people have to wear shoes or shirts, for example...but a private business on private property can make such a rule for their customers. They have the right to refuse service. If you ignore their rules, refuse to comply when asked to, and then still refuse to leave - they can call the police & say "hey, this person won't follow our rules & won't leave - they're trespassing." It's essentially the same kind of deal as if you were in someone's home. It's not a public place! If they want you to stop doing something or go...those are your only choices, lol.
Timmies in particular is a place where it's just not wise to vape...at least, I've always gotten that vibe from there y'know? A lot of families, etc in a relatively small, crowded space. I don't know...maybe some locations are more cool with it than others. I've vaped in malls & all kinds of stores before, and there's never been a problem to date. But if someone had asked me to stop in those places, I would've stopped. Most places that we think of as "public" aren't really public.
A government office is a public place, and you can vape there till the cows come home. I know I have, openly. Amazingly, none of the people working there really took notice. Like they saw it, but they didn't look surprised or shocked or offended. No one stared or pointed; no one asked me to stop. So yay.
Every vaper should bear these things in mind when they're out & about. Be nice & respectful...and know your rights are, and what they aren't. Happy vaping!
There's no cure for stupid. You can choose to co-exist, or to be an .... Simple solution, somebody objects, put it away. Some people ain't got the sense God give a knats .... JMHO
Cheers,
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Cheers,
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As I said I don't know how the vaper handled his end I am guessing not well since the police were called in and to date I have had no problems vaping I have had no one tell me to put it away to my surprise. I am always ready to do so and I think at times I vape in places just to test the waters so to speak and I am at times very surprised that no one says anything like you can't smoke in here or what are you doing that looks like smoke, but I see nothing burning since I am in a small town and there are not many vapers here and it's not very well known a lot of people here still have not even heard of it.
I just wanted to share what I heard and see if anyone has had any problems with vaping in other establishments "in public" I do agree but I would hope that after explaining to a person what it is that they would allow me to continue.
I was thinking I would go and see what happens to me since I can put it away and be polite about explaining what it is like I have in some of the restaurants Like Dairy Queen allows me to vape in there, but that doesn't mean all will allow it they no me pretty good since I live next door to them.I did expect to be told something while I was vaping in the hospital but no one said a word that surprised me, my Dr. allows me to vape in the waiting room and in his office.I hope that not everyone will deal with it as this vaper did and have the police get involved just because they don't put it away or start an argument or what not.Cheers thanks for the welcome
I just wanted to share what I heard and see if anyone has had any problems with vaping in other establishments "in public" I do agree but I would hope that after explaining to a person what it is that they would allow me to continue.
I was thinking I would go and see what happens to me since I can put it away and be polite about explaining what it is like I have in some of the restaurants Like Dairy Queen allows me to vape in there, but that doesn't mean all will allow it they no me pretty good since I live next door to them.I did expect to be told something while I was vaping in the hospital but no one said a word that surprised me, my Dr. allows me to vape in the waiting room and in his office.I hope that not everyone will deal with it as this vaper did and have the police get involved just because they don't put it away or start an argument or what not.Cheers thanks for the welcome
I vape everywhere but usually ask/explain myself first. never yet have I been asked to stop. it's all in presentation. if you act like you shouldn't be doing something, you'll get hassled.
that said if I was asked to stop and a conversation didn't solve it, I wouldn't argue, it is their store and right
that said if I was asked to stop and a conversation didn't solve it, I wouldn't argue, it is their store and right
If you are asked to cease and desist, then you cease and desist. It is that simple. You have no more rights than the person that complained or ask you to cease. <---- period. I have been vaping in public whenever I feel like it. Never had a complaint but once (out in the open) once I explained what I was doing all was cool. We do not have the only rights!!! You want acceptance then chill and allow folks to grow!
I smoked 2 packs a day, A heavy smoker by some peoples standards.
Although not sure the term a something to do smoker, it was when I was bored, Or just to waste 5-10min in a day.
Honestly a pack a day equivalent was half smoked or not inhaled, that's why I enjoy vaping a way to to keep my time waster, but still get healthier, Until I decided what to do in the future (eg quit entirely, cut down,)
Point is it will take a very long time before ecigs become known to the masses, yes education is key.
But i will treat vaping as smoking and always will.
I don't vape in public in door areas, Or anywhere that does not allow smoking to happen.
Just because there is no laws saying i cant vape doesn't mean i will, I vape very heavy but i can go to a movie, shop in a store, and all other thing i did when i used analogs. One reason smoking was banned most places because people used the law to say i can smoke here, Whether it harms you or not.
I personally switched to vaping to save my life not to rub it in to people.
Although not sure the term a something to do smoker, it was when I was bored, Or just to waste 5-10min in a day.
Honestly a pack a day equivalent was half smoked or not inhaled, that's why I enjoy vaping a way to to keep my time waster, but still get healthier, Until I decided what to do in the future (eg quit entirely, cut down,)
Point is it will take a very long time before ecigs become known to the masses, yes education is key.
But i will treat vaping as smoking and always will.
I don't vape in public in door areas, Or anywhere that does not allow smoking to happen.
Just because there is no laws saying i cant vape doesn't mean i will, I vape very heavy but i can go to a movie, shop in a store, and all other thing i did when i used analogs. One reason smoking was banned most places because people used the law to say i can smoke here, Whether it harms you or not.
I personally switched to vaping to save my life not to rub it in to people.
An establishment has every right to have rules for what they see fit. Vaping looks a hell of alot like cigarette smoke even if its coming from something that looks like a sex toy. Your friend was wrong to vape inside without asking the manager beforehand - and been totally ok with it if he was told "hell no" if he did ask.
A little consideration goes a long way. I don't think our community needs vaping renegades to try and start some movement, because it will only make things worse.
A little consideration goes a long way. I don't think our community needs vaping renegades to try and start some movement, because it will only make things worse.
Hey Gat - as most 2nd hand stories go - has a few holes...
If the police are called to any venue -it's usually because someone is actively breaking the law and the police are required to stop them and/or press charges.
Vaping is not at all illegal. At most - a venue manager can ask someone to leave the premises for whatever reason, and call the police if they don't. But the police are not going to charge anyone with "vaping" - they may charge the person with being a public nuisance or some trouble causing - or whatever smaller chargers are necessary.
Rule of thumb for vaping anywhere - if someone asks if you are smoking - explain what you're doing. If they ask you to stop - then stop.
If you really want to make a difference - come back on another day - make an appointment with the manager and go over what ecigs are. Most people don't know.
If the police are called to any venue -it's usually because someone is actively breaking the law and the police are required to stop them and/or press charges.
Vaping is not at all illegal. At most - a venue manager can ask someone to leave the premises for whatever reason, and call the police if they don't. But the police are not going to charge anyone with "vaping" - they may charge the person with being a public nuisance or some trouble causing - or whatever smaller chargers are necessary.
Rule of thumb for vaping anywhere - if someone asks if you are smoking - explain what you're doing. If they ask you to stop - then stop.
If you really want to make a difference - come back on another day - make an appointment with the manager and go over what ecigs are. Most people don't know.
I vape everywhere discreetly, only place I was asked to stop was at a strip bar and the bouncer just kindly asked me "please don't use the water pipe in here" so I know someone had talked to him about it before, I said no problem me and my buds finished our beer and went somewhere else. I didn't mind cause all the girls peeling there had small boobs 
I vape everywhere discreetly, only place I was asked to stop was at a strip bar and the bouncer just kindly asked me "please don't use the water pipe in here" so I know someone had talked to him about it before, I said no problem me and my buds finished our beer and went somewhere else. I didn't mind cause all the girls peeling there had small boobs
Haha, hells ya man! Good reason to leave!
But I agree, dont be a snide a**hole and ask/educate before using. You're in someone else's "home"... ya kno?
Ahh you see the guy refused and said he was doing nothing wrong and that he didn't have to stop and they called the police on him the thing I don't know is how he said it or exactly how he said it, what I know is he refused and the workers called the cops either to remove him or whatever I know they can't charge him.
Lets get this straight he is a fellow vapor just like us I have no idea who he is and he is not a friend or even an acquaintance.
What he did wrong I have no clue this is why I am thinking of going down there myself and trying it to see if I can get away with doing it and handle it properly I am guessing the guy didn't handle it properly and that's why the police where called in.
I totally agree with you, Skincrawler ! It's a personal choice to smoke, or vape, or to quit entirely. But whatever choice you make it should be kept personal and not flaunted ! Obviously people mistake vaping for smoking....why wouldn't they ? Why play Devils Advocat ? Don't give us all a bad rep....most of us just want a healthy alternative to a habit many people find disgusting.
Actually if they ask him to leave private property they can.
No he was the only one bigger than me there
Agreed not the right way to go about it.
The problem with people in general.... is well ......... we are all different. People react differently in each situation, one person may take it offensively, while another person is passive. One person in a red sports car decides to drive fast so everyone assumes that your going to drive fast because you own a red sports car.
There is always a bad apple in every batch. What is different here is that a) we are a small group of people b) there is not enough education about vaping (I dislike the pneumonia comments) and c) this person was in the wrong
We have all ran into people like this. This is not the first nor the last I'm sure.
There is always a bad apple in every batch. What is different here is that a) we are a small group of people b) there is not enough education about vaping (I dislike the pneumonia comments) and c) this person was in the wrong
We have all ran into people like this. This is not the first nor the last I'm sure.
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