Vaping is harmful?
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I am not sure that responsible people are claiming the vaping is safe. I believe [don't know but believe] that vaping has a lesser risk of harm than does smoking. I would imagine that most on here are more in the believer category rather than the knowing category. The absence of Carbon Monoxide and particulate matter is enough for me. So, I believe that vaping, as pointed out above, is "safer" that smoking but "safer than" is not the equivalent of "safe". Cars are safer than motorcycles and that does not make them safe.
I can't answer for BreSha but that is certainly how I understood it. For us, a decision to quit vaping to return to cigarettes does not seem like a well thought out plan. However, those are your lungs and it is your circulatory system and, if smoking seems right for you, go for it.
Let's see the Royal Collage of Physicians is only the top medical science organization in the world puts it's full support behind Vaping. They've endorsed numerous studies like Vaping is up to 95% safer (they threw in the 5% for the unknown factor). But hey, what would they know for they've only been around for 500 years
The facts are this, they have yet to find anything harmful in Vaping.
I am no scientist, and I am not a medical expert. But I like to draw conclusions based on the information that is out there. And I like to use common sense whenever I can to draw some sort of legitimate sensible conclusions.
So with that, we know that our body is very resilient and certain organs and parts can bounce back from trauma and abuse. Our lungs are one of those. If our lungs can repair itself after quitting analogs with the hundreds of toxic chemicals and poisons, then the film from vaping is not really a terrible thing. And also, that film that is being talked about is the same film (As far as I know) that can form on the inside of a car's windshield from just breathing. (correct me if I am wrong)....
So with that, we know that our body is very resilient and certain organs and parts can bounce back from trauma and abuse. Our lungs are one of those. If our lungs can repair itself after quitting analogs with the hundreds of toxic chemicals and poisons, then the film from vaping is not really a terrible thing. And also, that film that is being talked about is the same film (As far as I know) that can form on the inside of a car's windshield from just breathing. (correct me if I am wrong)....
Then of course there's the yellow staining stuff on white painted walls, your fingers, and your clothes from the tar being released when tobacco is burned. The same stuff you're inhaling into your lungs.
I'm not sure there is a better source although I can provide but I have much more scientific data if you want it.
The same group that several decades ago told us the health hazards of smoking. There is so much reliable information out there now. You should do some research beyond a single article. The link will download as a PDF, I would post it here but it's to large and the ECF has a size limit for attachments.
A report by the Tobacco Advisory Group of the Royal College of Physicians
The same group that several decades ago told us the health hazards of smoking. There is so much reliable information out there now. You should do some research beyond a single article. The link will download as a PDF, I would post it here but it's to large and the ECF has a size limit for attachments.
A report by the Tobacco Advisory Group of the Royal College of Physicians
I have read volumes of research on the matter. The reality is that vaping has not been studied enough to make "conclusive" claims. Whereas smoking has been studied for over 50 years and it is pretty conclusive that it cause a lot of damage.
Based on the "objective" science I have read, here is my opinion regarding the continuum of risk, and the RCP and FDA both agree (more/less):
Now, the RCP did clarify their statement:
"E-cigarettes and long-term harm - the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of the ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. With appropriate product standards to minimise exposure to the other ingredients, it should be possible to reduce risks of physical health still further. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure."
Now, as someone has already mentioned, I am a firm believer that inhaling ANYTHING other than fresh air (questionable in some cities) is likely to be associated with "some" level of harm.
Also note this statement from the University of Cambridge Cancer Institute:
"We also know that different users use different devices and liquids. So it could be that some are safer or more harmful than others. And people also use the devices in different ways. So further work needs to be done to understand these differences, so that each vaper is using their device as safely as possible."
Within the realm of vaping there is also a continuum of risk, based on everything I have read this how "I" estimate that it goes.
I saw mention of 10ml of juice in an hour or two. That would be extreme by "most" vapers standards. The implications of that kind of consumption point to cloud chasing. DtL cloud chasing likely carries a higher risk than what the RCP had in mind when they said 95%.
I vape, and accept the risk, because I dont want to smoke. I firmly believe that it is light years safer than smoking, and both my body and my doctor agree.
Ask yourself this "Why do you vape", and answer that honestly. I do it because I am addicted to nicotine and this is a less harmful delivery system.
Then ask yourself "How much risk are you willing to accept"? I personally chose to lower my VG levels and the temp I vape at. I also dont chain vape unless I am using a TC device. It was a painless way to lower my perceived risk.
If at some point you come to the conclusion that smoking tobacco is less risk, I suggest you read articles in the Academia circles as opposed to Social Media.
Based on the "objective" science I have read, here is my opinion regarding the continuum of risk, and the RCP and FDA both agree (more/less):
- Combustible tobacco, proven beyond doubt to be a potential killer,
- Vaping, "estimated" by the RCP to be 95% less harmful
Now, the RCP did clarify their statement:
"E-cigarettes and long-term harm - the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of the ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. With appropriate product standards to minimise exposure to the other ingredients, it should be possible to reduce risks of physical health still further. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure."
Now, as someone has already mentioned, I am a firm believer that inhaling ANYTHING other than fresh air (questionable in some cities) is likely to be associated with "some" level of harm.
Also note this statement from the University of Cambridge Cancer Institute:
"We also know that different users use different devices and liquids. So it could be that some are safer or more harmful than others. And people also use the devices in different ways. So further work needs to be done to understand these differences, so that each vaper is using their device as safely as possible."
Within the realm of vaping there is also a continuum of risk, based on everything I have read this how "I" estimate that it goes.
- VG at high temps is likely more harmful than VG at low temps
- MtL is likely to be less harmful the DtL
- Unflavored is likely to be less harmful than flavored ejuice.
I saw mention of 10ml of juice in an hour or two. That would be extreme by "most" vapers standards. The implications of that kind of consumption point to cloud chasing. DtL cloud chasing likely carries a higher risk than what the RCP had in mind when they said 95%.
I vape, and accept the risk, because I dont want to smoke. I firmly believe that it is light years safer than smoking, and both my body and my doctor agree.
Ask yourself this "Why do you vape", and answer that honestly. I do it because I am addicted to nicotine and this is a less harmful delivery system.
Then ask yourself "How much risk are you willing to accept"? I personally chose to lower my VG levels and the temp I vape at. I also dont chain vape unless I am using a TC device. It was a painless way to lower my perceived risk.
If at some point you come to the conclusion that smoking tobacco is less risk, I suggest you read articles in the Academia circles as opposed to Social Media.
Glass is a non-living, non-porous material that cannot clean itself. Our bodies aren't made of glass. I'll take vaping over the known and well documented risks of smoking any day of the week. Ultimately it's your decision but abandoning vaping to return to smoking is a terrible decision, in my opinion.
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Totally agree and I have been saying that for a long time.... It's simply not a natural act to put something in the lungs that is not fresh air...
Thats a different issue though, there's plenty of data published on Air Quality and its consequences.
What we are referring to here is "intentionally" inhaling anything other than air likely causes some level of harm.
And no, I dont know where Smog falls in the continuum vs vaping.
In order to get exogenous lipid pneumonia (a.k.a. lipoid pneumonia), you need to inhale lipids. Lipids are fats or oils. Ejuice is made of glycerin, propylene glycol, flavourings* and nicotine. No oils.
*If you go to the grocery store, you can buy oil-based flavourings. That's why we don't use flavourings from the grocery store.
Point is harmful elements in air and clean/fresh air. Also it's not just Smog
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