Vaping Issue - 510 atty + BB (Help Please)

[Matt_TX]

I have had my BB for a couple of weeks and I love it. I'm using a 510 atty, and vaping at 3.7v with the standard batteries that I ordered with the device. However, I'm having some issues...

When I first put in a new cartridge, I find I get really good flavor and vapor, the first 10 puffs are great, then I find that I either start getting a burnt taste, or I just get less flavor/vapor. I've tried different liquids, a new atty, new batteries, even new carts, but I seem to have this problem a lot... It just seems that my vaping experience is inconsistent. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong... I thought the cartridges were supposed to last a while, and I'm thinking I should be able to get more than 10 or so puffs before having to top up again. I've even pulled out the filler in the cartridge, dripped onto it to ensure it's well soaked, then put it back in...

I'm going to try some different attys with the BB (801, 901 and KR808 carts) and see if that helps...

I've heard that cart mods are possible to enhance flavor and vapor, but I'm not sure how these work...

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt.

 

[CaptJay]

Could be a crap atty - have you switched it out?
COuld be a wick gummed up with stuff thats now 'burnt' on (so your burnt taste would be getting into everything and the internal wick wouldn't do a whole lot of wicking) Thats actually my personal non scientific take on these burned taste isues. That its bad wicks in otherwise decent attys. Alas I really don't have a solution other than trying to un-gum it, the only way I have heard of is either a breif burn (holding the button down to supposedly burn off the gunk of the wick) or throw the atty in Crest Pro for an hour, rinse then dry for at least 24 hours (air dry) or hairdryer (then leave for a bit). Either of these last resort methods will require a lot of re-priming (dripping juice on the bridge, couple of drops at a time) before use. It may still not work even after this btw. This is a 'might as well try this' idea when you really only have throwing it away as your other option.
The reason I've come to this conclusion about the wick getting gummed up is totally anecdotal - people who have had the issue, then remove the wick entirely (NOT recommended as it will NOT work with carts at all after that) find the atty resumes working well; but for direct dripping only.
You'd really do this as a last resort imo - attys are so cheap in the scheme of things it
might be easier to just buy a replacement.
Cart mods btw you can find on the tips n tricks pages - or the cart mods section (but a lot of those are WIPs)

 

[WillyB]

I thought the cartridges were supposed to last a while, and I'm thinking I should be able to get more than 10 or so puffs before having to top up again.

So if you top-off do things return to normal?

When I first put in a new cartridge

Are you referring to the factory pre-filled carts?

But in general, frequent topping off is a way of life with Joye atties. The carts and stock filler just don't want to give up the liquid fast enough amd your BB is probably running a bit hotter than a Joye batt. That's the reason there are probably a thousand posts by now on 510 cart mods. That is also the reason many have just given up on carts and just direct drip.

 

[Matt_TX]

So if you top-off do things return to normal?

Yes, they do...

Are you referring to the factory pre-filled carts?

But in general, frequent topping off is a way of life with Joye atties. The carts and stock filler just don't want to give up the liquid fast enough amd your BB is probably running a bit hotter than a Joye batt. That's the reason there are probably a thousand posts by now on 510 cart mods. That is also the reason many have just given up on carts and just direct drip.

No, I am filling the carts myself. One thing I realized tonight is that the filler may have been too close to the top of the cart and was touching the atty. I think that was giving me some of the burnt taste.

I'm going to buy some new carts and try the tea bag mod. It seems to work well. I've also ordered and 801 and 901 atty to see if I like either of them better. Maybe the carts will be bigger/last longer. I also ordered some pre-filled KR808 cartomizers to see how those work for me (obviously I purchased the required adapters too).

I figured a lot of it is trial and error... I'll post an update after I get my new attys and again after I try the tea bag mod.

Thanks,
Matt

 

[WillyB]

Well for longer atty life don't try to squeeze every last puff out, when it starts to slow down - top-off.

No, I am filling the carts myself. One thing I realized tonight is that the filler may have been too close to the top of the cart and was touching the atty.

If by atty you mean the metal mesh bridge/wick it's supposed to touch the filler. It sounds like you have to use less filler. There's that fine line you have to reach, just shy of leaking.

 

[Wireguy]

Yep what he said. The most common mistake by new 510 users is letting it run to dry. Using the stock cart filler it's not uncommon to top off every few hits. It's why so many people drip. Sorta cuts out the middleman, the cart stuffing.

Well for longer atty life don't try to squeeze every last puff out, when it starts to slow down - top-off.
There's that fine line you have to reach, just shy of leaking.

 

[hatchetforyou]

i got my 510 yesterday and went straight to dripping. no issues as of yet and still loving it every draw.

 

[Res0785p]

I am having the same nasty taste and smell with 6 new attys. Sent 5 back and the 6th one I took the mesh bridge and metal support out and left with just the heating coil. I have soak in alcohol, blue mouth wash, coke, nothing seems to help. I have no idea how many dry burns and washes I've done still nasty. I have used different juices. I have been try for week to get back to vaping. Still waiting for some more new attys. Right now I am very discussed with 510. I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong. I can't believe 6 attys could be bad. The one that came with my joye 510 was excellent for couple of weeks.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Matt TX - A big mistake some vapers make, myself included, who have PVs with manual batteries is that they hold the button down too long. Virtually all designers will tell you not to hold the button down longer than 5 seconds. Why? Because the longer you hold it down the hotter the temperature in the atty. High temps not only shortens atty life but will in most cases burn your juice. At 5 volts most have found they have to further reduce the time to 2 or 3 seconds. Once you burn juice in your atty then a good alcohol soak will be needed to get the burnt taste out.

I think you are going to love your KR808D-1 cartomizers (cartos). I use nothing but cartos with my 5v Prodigy V2 and can vape for hours and hours on one carto. IMO they are also harder to overheat than attys, but you can burn the batting if you keep vaping when they are dry.

If you want to maximize the taste of your e-juice, do draw/inhales instead of direct/inhales. That is, draw the vapor into your mouth first and then inhale it instead of taking the vapor directly into your lungs. I have never had a harsh or burnt taste with the draw/inhale method of vaping (except when a cart went dry).

Regardless of the method, however, you will have some reduction in taste due to physiological reasons. IMO, just as nicotine and tar in analogs temporarily deaden your taste by coating your tounge and nasal passages, so does the nicotine and PG/VG coat your tounge and nasal passages and temporarily deaden your taste as well. PG and VG is used in a lot of nasal sprays to coat dry nasal passages, and in mouth sprays to coat the palate and tounge as a remedy for dry mouth. This is just my opinion and I am sure there are other factors at play also. Smoking and vaping aside I am aware of cases where tasting certain flavors deminish the more you taste them. It is as if certain flavors temporarily over power the taste buds. It is known that alcohol and coffee will temporarily deaden taste also.

Anyway, don't give up. The cartos may solve most of your problems. They vape longer than carts, and the built-in atty lasts about as long as a 510 atty and are way cheaper!

 

[WillyB]

I am having the same nasty taste and smell with 6 new attys. Sent 5 back and the 6th one I took the mesh bridge and metal support out and left with just the heating coil. I have soak in alcohol, blue mouth wash, coke, nothing seems to help. I have no idea how many dry burns and washes I've done still nasty. I have used different juices. I have been try for week to get back to vaping. Still waiting for some more new attys. Right now I am very discussed with 510. I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong. I can't believe 6 attys could be bad. The one that came with my joye 510 was excellent for couple of weeks.

Well the first question is did you buy real Joye 510 atties or some of the cheaper semi-clones. It doesn't sound right that 6 atties would all be bad.

Real Joye atties can have quite a bit of primer fuid on them. It's best to try to blow out as much as possible from the batt end and prime (direct drip) with a few drops of your liquid. Even so it will take a while to break them in and get rid of the primer taste.

 

[Matt_TX]

Matt TX - A big mistake some vapers make, myself included, who have PVs with manual batteries is that they hold the button down too long. Virtually all designers will tell you not to hold the button down longer than 5 seconds. Why? Because the longer you hold it down the hotter the temperature in the atty. High temps not only shortens atty life but will in most cases burn your juice. At 5 volts most have found they have to further reduce the time to 2 or 3 seconds. Once you burn juice in your atty then a good alcohol soak will be needed to get the burnt taste out.

I'm actually just vaping at 3.7v not 5v or even 6v. I find if I hold the button for less time, I don't get enough vapor... I have, however, gotten in the practice of letting off the button before the end of my draw. That helps

I think you are going to love your KR808D-1 cartomizers (cartos). I use nothing but cartos with my 5v Prodigy V2 and can vape for hours and hours on one carto. IMO they are also harder to overheat than attys, but you can burn the batting if you keep vaping when they are dry.

If you want to maximize the taste of your e-juice, do draw/inhales instead of direct/inhales. That is, draw the vapor into your mouth first and then inhale it instead of taking the vapor directly into your lungs. I have never had a harsh or burnt taste with the draw/inhale method of vaping (except when a cart went dry).

I actually do draw/inhales right now. I find the juice much to harsh if I do direct/inhales. I also loose all the flavor. This hasn't been an adjustment for me, since that's how I used to smoke analogs.

Regardless of the method, however, you will have some reduction in taste due to physiological reasons. IMO, just as nicotine and tar in analogs temporarily deaden your taste by coating your tounge and nasal passages, so does the nicotine and PG/VG coat your tounge and nasal passages and temporarily deaden your taste as well. PG and VG is used in a lot of nasal sprays to coat dry nasal passages, and in mouth sprays to coat the palate and tounge as a remedy for dry mouth. This is just my opinion and I am sure there are other factors at play also. Smoking and vaping aside I am aware of cases where tasting certain flavors deminish the more you taste them. It is as if certain flavors temporarily over power the taste buds. It is known that alcohol and coffee will temporarily deaden taste also.

Anyway, don't give up. The cartos may solve most of your problems. They vape longer than carts, and the built-in atty lasts about as long as a 510 atty and are way cheaper!

I'm excited to try the cartos and other attys. They arrive today I'll post an update with my findings

 

[Matt_TX]

I'm excited to try the cartos and other attys. They arrive today I'll post an update with my findings

So, I got my new attys and adapters last night, here are my conclusions... Note I am using a BB with the standard 3.7v battery.

801:
I love the look, size and feel of this one. The carts are huge (hold a ton of liquid), the tips are nice soft plastic and feel very nice, and I like this atty from a cosmetic standpoint. Unfortunately, I cannot comment on the vaping ability of this atty, since it was DOA. I have contacted the vendor for a replacement, and look forward to trying it

KR808 Carts:
I have to say this was WEIRD. I was not impressed at all. I ordered pre-filled carts (555 11mg) from VaporKings. I found I got very little vapor (even after allowing the cart to break in - 20 puffs of more) and little flavor. It was also very easy to "draw" (suck in air) on the carts, and felt like I was sucking on a pen lid where someone had stubbed an analog ciggy Overall, I was disappointed to say the very least. I will try one more just to make sure it wasn't a bad cart, but honestly, I don't know what I was doing wrong. I had such high expectations.

UPDATE: I resolved the issue with the KR808 carts. Basically, my adapter is allowing too much air into the cart, so I used some tape to block off some of the holes. Additionally, taking much lighter, slower draws/inhales helps a lot too. With that said, I still prefer the other attys.

901:
I think the 901 is a good compromise. It's not as cool looking as the 801, but it's a lot more portable. It's not as portable as the 510, but it holds a lot lore liquid. I also much prefer the whistle tip on the 901 over the 510 tips (flat or round). Overall, I'd say this is a very consistent atty. Every draw gets decent vapor, fantastic flavor and some throat hit. I would say if I compare the best of vapes between the 901 the 510, then the 510 would be better. However, the 901 produces consistency every time. It also has not leaked on me (yet). The 510 is capable of amazing results, but the constant topping off, adjusting, fiddling, cleaning, etc. is annoying. I have the 901 on my BB today and plan to keep using it until my replacement 801 arrives. I have a feeling that the 801 may be my atty of choice, if it lives up to my expectations

UPDATE: So I think I have found the best combo... I'm still waiting on my replacement 801 atty, but until then, I'm absolutely loving the 510 with the 910 cartridges. They last longer, and actually make the device slightly shorter. The vapor production is insane, as is the flavor, and there is no burnt taste. I also love the proper whistle tips and they are easier to draw/inhale on. The 901 carts fit a little snug on the 510, but I think that's a good thing because there is no leaking.

The 510 carts just seem crappy to me - too small, they leak, etc.

I welcome your comments and feedback