The information has been gathered and we now present to you the facts about the news media blitz about the Lung Disease Outbreaks and Death "linked" to vaping. Stay informed, stay educated, and share that information!
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Thank you for sharing this, great interview. [emoji41]
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Real news from High Times... Go figure.
Very informative. I've always said the longevity of our pastime is going to be tied to that other industry.
Does anyone remember the DEA spraying Mexican fields with the herbicide Paraquat?
Sounds remarkably familiar.
Sounds remarkably familiar.
IMO, there maybe a shred of truth to the health concerns. I say this because as consumers, despite what we're told of the "ingredients" and published "testing/findings"; we don't really know if what they are telling us is the whole truth, or possibly a fabrication. We also don't really know of the long term side effects of inhaling the chemicals. Also, factor in preexisting medical conditions, or how each individuals body can have a different reaction to the combined ingredients.
The vaping industry is a business, with investors, distributors, marketing, so on and so forth. With that being said, it's in the vaping businesses best interest to promote safety of their products. Doing so it's also in the best interest of the competition to debunk the safeness. Money, Politics, and the Feds all play a part in protection of their interest as well, along with those on their payroll.
The battle will never end, it's a dirty game with an open mic. Anyone can get on stage and proselytise.
We vape at our own risk.
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The vaping industry is a business, with investors, distributors, marketing, so on and so forth. With that being said, it's in the vaping businesses best interest to promote safety of their products. Doing so it's also in the best interest of the competition to debunk the safeness. Money, Politics, and the Feds all play a part in protection of their interest as well, along with those on their payroll.
The battle will never end, it's a dirty game with an open mic. Anyone can get on stage and proselytise.
We vape at our own risk.
end/O
What's concerning (for me) at this point, is that the CDC is withholding data about potentially fatal contaminated products in order to justify their broader attack on vaping in general.
Concerning yes, but you should not at all be surprised by that. These tactics have been going on behind the scenes since the beginning of politics.
The CDC is a very small piece of a much larger puzzle in Government, State and Businesss shenanigans. Small pieces of information will "accidentally leak" ... folk will add-on their agenda and run with it, contact media outlets...Boom, hysteria. How convenient right? The system is very sophisticated, and a lot of folks are a part of it, and some are oblivious to it and believe whatever they hear.. None of this should surprise anyone. But the health concern is a very real thing, and should be taken seriously.
We the consumer, put these ingredients in our bodies freely, and aware of the limited information about them.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time I took something and didn't know with absolute certainty what it was going to do to me (most any Pharmaceutical, lol).
All I know is that Vaping has kept me Tobacco - free for nearly eight years and that in that nearly eight years I have only had two bad bouts of Bronchitis when prior to Vaping I had so many it got to the point that I was unable to breathe
Don't know what will happen later (if anything) but right now I am not coughing my brains out and am able to breathe deeply and fully into both Lobes
Millions of people have been vaping for more than 10 years. If it could cause lung damage there would have been evidence before now. I believe the current situation is a symptom of the drug war and the black market it supports. Who ever bought this product was looking for something other than nicotine. Shame on the government for this one.
I'm not so sure about that. Cancer and COPD generally take longer than 10 years to show up. Of course, it's even more complicated than just looking at vapers' outcomes. If you compared 10 year vapers to never-smokers, I'm sure the vapers would have more lung disease than the never-smokers, simply because the vast majority are ex-smokers. It's still going to be many years before we can conclusively identify the long-term effects of vaping itself. I have no doubt that vaping will be shown to be far, far less harmful than smoking, but I'm not as certain that it will turn out to do no harm at all.
Yup. I fully agree on that one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html?noredirect=on
So it looks like it's a case of "depends on who's saying what". Looks like the scientists will nail it down. But getting that to float up through the levels of politics and media...well...
And I get where scientists would be hesitant to say anything definitive without data, particularly when some users probably didn't admit to using it.
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So it looks like it's a case of "depends on who's saying what". Looks like the scientists will nail it down. But getting that to float up through the levels of politics and media...well...
And I get where scientists would be hesitant to say anything definitive without data, particularly when some users probably didn't admit to using it.
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@AttyPops , the Wisconsin Dept. of Health Services have specifically determined "that" stuff as the cause here.
Released today: Majority of Wisconsin Lung Disease Patients Who Reported Vaping Cite THC Products
WDHS is, as of today, warning everyone to stop vaping even though the specifics of those with issues is that "other" stuff and as they say in the release possible "other" unknowns. In other words "from the street".
Released today: Majority of Wisconsin Lung Disease Patients Who Reported Vaping Cite THC Products
WDHS is, as of today, warning everyone to stop vaping even though the specifics of those with issues is that "other" stuff and as they say in the release possible "other" unknowns. In other words "from the street".
Oh, yeah.
I'm not making excuses for that.
I'm just saying, there's hope on the horizon. As to WDHS...well...sometimes even I know when to not say too much and keep my mouth shut. For all I know, there's some bad PG or VG floating around there too. But I really doubt it. I can't really up and contradict a state DHS. But if I lived there, I'd still be vaping my clean non-street juice.
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