Vaping over the age of 55.

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Honestly I believe its more common for people 40+ to be vaping. I believe that's because more and more people are trying to find new ways to quit smoking and vaping has been the best way to do it.
However, in my experience anyone under that age is usually ridiculed by either other young people for being an "obnoxious vaper" or by other older people who don't like that vaping is also becoming a hobby.
If you want me to be honest with you I'm a little respectfully annoyed that you would feel this way about vaping 55+. I've always been really self conscious and secretive about vaping as a younger 23 year old woman because I know it's criticized a lot at my age.. but not much for you.
 

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I started vaping December 2, 2017 only 5 days before my 60 th birthday. Most people I see vaping appear to be somewhere in age between 25 and 40. I'm about the oldest person I see vaping out on the street. I see older people sucking on ecigs like one purchases at convenience stores. But I actually vape. I own several smok v8 sticks and and Innokin MVP4 box mod. I have totally embraced the hobby. I have 20+ flavors of juice, nic levels 0 and 3. I'm saving money so I can get a more sofisticated mod with replaceable batteries. woo hoo This is my question--tell us about your self or your "old" friends who are vapers. BTW please tell the FDA and all those European agencies that I love sweet, candy and dessert flavors. Thank you.
PS my last cigarette was December 12. I had to use up my last pack.

Hi... I'm 48 and vape fully. Although not a cloud chaser, I like my Relaux RX200 and other 18650 box mods. I prefer to rebuild the atomizers myself.. I've also gotten into making my own juice. It's a hobby that I seem to have delved into quite deeply.

My mother in law vapes as well and is 65 She, however, vapes the EGO style ecigs. She always carries one with her, and vapes zero nic juice. She smoked for 40 years, and couldn't quit using the patch, chantix, or even Vaping. Her solution was to do the initial quitting with Chantix, but avoided the relapses using vaping. I've been smoke free for about 5 1/2 years, and my mother in law has been smoke free for 3 1/2 years.

(this next part is extra... sort of a little rant of mine)

I think the younger generation is more apt to try vaping, since they're more in tune to new products. Many of the older folks seemed to have quit learning, and go with something they already know of. Remember, the 50+ year olds generally didn't grow up with computers, so surfing the web doesn't come as easy to them. So doing research and trusting old media outlets seem to be their go-to. What many don't realize, is the media outlets today aren't like the ones we grew up with.. they've become more goal oriented and are usually skewed to one side or the other. I kinda new it all along, but I didn't realize how bad they were until I started getting into this hobby. I was skeptical about ecigs myself, thinking it was just a fad for the younger folk. I found a few articles saying how it's good, and some that were bad... I was of course drawn to the bad articles first. One article said it had antifreeze in it, and my nature is to find out just how much antifreeze was in it. I search and searched, and found that the "antifreeze" was propylene glyclol.. so I did some research on propylene glycol and found out it was a food additive that was used to de-ice wings. Since the Ethylene glycol in regular antifreeze was toxic, they would find small animals dead near airports since they would drink the antifreeze thinking it's water. They looked to the food industry for something safe, and found Propylene glycol a good safe substitute. Since then I've heard quite a few "rumors" about ecigs, each from the media. But every time I do any research in it, I find most of the research to be a lie, stretched out truth, or just someone's opinion. I've noticed that on a lot of reports, not just the ones about Ecigs. It's changed the way I look at media, and nowadays, I take anything I hear from the news with a grain of salt.
 

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Remember, the 50+ year olds generally didn't grow up with computers, so surfing the web doesn't come as easy to them.

I don't get that. I'm not disagreeing. Very few of my college friends are on FB, when they get around to getting on it they're very computer illiterate.
I refused computers for what seemed to be a long time (I was young with my dad using things like 286s and my brother was early into W95) but it seems like the internet as we know it must've been new when I did get into computers.
I see millenials acting like they created the internet. No, my grandfather and I were doing social media of the day when you were on an etch-a-sketch. But then I see my college friends acting like old people about computers. How have they done business for the last 20 years?
 

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Yes, some of us really do like tobacco (we just don't want to smoke it anymore). Only tobacco works for me. Actually, I am surprised at how few vapers vape real tobacco flavors - there aren't many available out there. It is true that real tobacco flavors cost more than most but they are not just synthetic flavorings from some food corp which are very cheap to buy. They are made by hand requiring much more of somebody's labor. And yes, itis still less costly compared to a pack a day here.
The last thing I wanted was tobacco flavors, I wanted to get as far from cigs as I could once I realized quitting might be possible with vaping. Any flavor that reminded me of smoking was thrown out or pif'd the first year. Now I very occasionally mix a dessert tobacco.
 

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...Remember, the 50+ year olds generally didn't grow up with computers, so surfing the web doesn't come as easy to them...

You're probably correct, @NealBJr, when you say "generally." However, this 65-yr old bought his 1st computer in Jan.'83 (yes, EIGHTY-THREE) and, with the help of a few books, I learned how to program it in both BASIC and Assembler (it had a Zilog Z-80 cpu that was code-compatible with Intel's 8080 processor). I then "returned" to college in Jan.'85, "majored" in Math & Physics, and worked one academic year in the computer labs with IBM PC-XTs and PC-ATs, the latter being the first generation of 16-bit cpus. I was "on" the internet beginning in '87 from the campus PCs, long before there was any advertising or merchants or all the BS it's impossible to avoid today. It was "pristine," mostly just UseNET, "Bulletin Boards," some colleges and research facilities like LexisNexis (look it up). Of course, there was also NO GUI (graphical user interface) and to get anything accomplished required KNOWING a WHOLE BUNCH of commands. Damn, I "miss" those halcyon days. :cry::cry::confused: Of course(?), since then, I "evolved" with Microsquish, from MS-DOS to Windows 3.0 through all iterations to Win10 as well as several flavors of Unix and Linux both with and without X (the "original" GUI developed at Xerox-PARC labs (Palo Alto Research Center) in the EARLY '70s). Throw in about a dozen more programming languages and nearly 20 yrs being SysAdmin and NetAdmin and now I say, "Computers!! Bah, humbug!! Who need's 'em!!" Of course, if I didn't have mine I'd probably go COMPLETELY insane. Hell, I "panic" when my ISP has problems and I can't connect!!! :lol:
 

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Honestly I believe its more common for people 40+ to be vaping. I believe that's because more and more people are trying to find new ways to quit smoking and vaping has been the best way to do it.
However, in my experience anyone under that age is usually ridiculed by either other young people for being an "obnoxious vaper" or by other older people who don't like that vaping is also becoming a hobby.
If you want me to be honest with you I'm a little respectfully annoyed that you would feel this way about vaping 55+. I've always been really self conscious and secretive about vaping as a younger 23 year old woman because I know it's criticized a lot at my age.. but not much for you.

Kamnet, first off, points to you for vaping. Going back to the OP, it was said that 55+ year olds weren't seen often out at about. It wasn't a reflection on vaping by the younger crowd - the post was made by a person of a certain age looking for people of a similar age. We may not be criticized as much as you say because we're former smokers, but we're harder to find and connect with. I'm 61, never been to a B&M, and I've seen 3 vapers in the wild in nearly 5 years - all of whom were a minimum of 25 years younger than I am. I know we're out there. My vaping journey, aside from ECF, has been a solitary one.

Computer note: Wang Computer donated equipment to the high school (story was a student did something they said couldn't be done, he got a scholarship and nice job) and we had to do a basic program as part of the class requirements. My first job was for a business that did keypunch cards for companies. I was playing on mainframes before the IBM PC-XT came out. Remember the old telex machines? Faxes with a plug in phone? LOL. I had to learn DOS (then all the iterations of Windows) and had fun converting from Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel too. I'm just a PC user now, and I'm good with that!
 

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You're probably correct, @NealBJr, when you say "generally." However, this 65-yr old bought his 1st computer in Jan.'83 (yes, EIGHTY-THREE) and, with the help of a few books, I learned how to program it in both BASIC and Assembler (it had a Zilog Z-80 cpu that was code-compatible with Intel's 8080 processor). I then "returned" to college in Jan.'85, "majored" in Math & Physics, and worked one academic year in the computer labs with IBM PC-XTs and PC-ATs, the latter being the first generation of 16-bit cpus. I was "on" the internet beginning in '87 from the campus PCs, long before there was any advertising or merchants or all the BS it's impossible to avoid today. It was "pristine," mostly just UseNET, "Bulletin Boards," some colleges and research facilities like LexisNexis (look it up). Of course, there was also NO GUI (graphical user interface) and to get anything accomplished required KNOWING a WHOLE BUNCH of commands. Damn, I "miss" those halcyon days. :cry::cry::confused: Of course(?), since then, I "evolved" with Microsquish, from MS-DOS to Windows 3.0 through all iterations to Win10 as well as several flavors of Unix and Linux both with and without X (the "original" GUI developed at Xerox-PARC labs (Palo Alto Research Center) in the EARLY '70s). Throw in about a dozen more programming languages and nearly 20 yrs being SysAdmin and NetAdmin and now I say, "Computers!! Bah, humbug!! Who need's 'em!!" Of course, if I didn't have mine I'd probably go COMPLETELY insane. Hell, I "panic" when my ISP has problems and I can't connect!!! :lol:

Yup.. I got a Commodore Vic 20 back in 82... I remember wanting a Timex Sinclair. From Vic20 I went to the C=64. Went online with BBSs on the C=64. I first had a cassette.. would hit play, walk away for 30 minutes, and when I came back, it was loaded.. all I had to do was type in play. :) Went the whole c64 route online. had a 300 baud modem, then 1200, then 2400. Switched over to the IBM back in the 286 days... was lucky enough to have a 40 meg hard drive accidentally installed. I used to run a C64 BBS called the Beacon BBS... it ranoff of two 1541's, two 1571's and three 1581's, First game I owned was Telengard...

On the IBM side, I had an epson Equite III+. I remembered having to replace the fuse on the motherboard, and soldiered a car fuse assembly on it so I could replace it easier. I bought a 2.5mb EMS memory card and turned it into a ram drive... Man, wing commander loaded so quick from a ram drive. From there I had a 386DX40, 486 DX50 (NOT DX-2 50), Cyrix 686 (forgot the MHZ), Pentium I, Pentium 3, etc...

If you don't know what "dos=high,umb" is or means, then you weren't into computers. back then. :)
 

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Yes, some of us really do like tobacco (we just don't want to smoke it anymore). Only tobacco works for me. Actually, I am surprised at how few vapers vape real tobacco flavors - there aren't many available out there. It is true that real tobacco flavors cost more than most but they are not just synthetic flavorings from some food corp which are very cheap to buy. They are made by hand requiring much more of somebody's labor. And yes, itis still less costly compared to a pack a day here.

Maybe I am exception but after 43 years of smoking and just couple months of vaping I find tobacco "flavor" repulsive... in the 150 days of vaping I tried to smoke three times and every time after just three puffs I throw the cigarette away...with great disgust... I have a two tobacco flavors for DIY juice and after trying it I feel the same disgust...I do not know why and I find it amazing but I am also happy because I know that as long as I will be able to vape I will not go back to smoking... the only thing I am missing is not a tobacco flavor but that immediate nicotine buzz... particulary in the morning.
 

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I don't get that. I'm not disagreeing. Very few of my college friends are on FB, when they get around to getting on it they're very computer illiterate.
I refused computers for what seemed to be a long time (I was young with my dad using things like 286s and my brother was early into W95) but it seems like the internet as we know it must've been new when I did get into computers.
I see millenials acting like they created the internet. No, my grandfather and I were doing social media of the day when you were on an etch-a-sketch. But then I see my college friends acting like old people about computers. How have they done business for the last 20 years?

Yes, that's exactly my point... I don't think that you're computer illiterate, and my step mother isn't as well. She's done research on Ecigs as I bet you did as well. For those that are older and have NOT learned how to surf, and do research, they rely on the news... and the news is highly skewed nowadays.

I am on the older side.. I don't snapchat, Don't twitter, rarely update my FB page, never posted a vine (when it was up)... but.. I'm savvy enough to know google-fu. I'll have to say my son is more advanced when it comes to smartphones. He just bought a car, got insurance and financing all while sitting at the car dealer's desk, then registered the tag. It was a "sign of the times" for me, since both the dealer and my son were just on their phones doing all the paperwork. Computers are on the down.. it'll all be smartphones.
 

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Of course, if I didn't have mine I'd probably go COMPLETELY insane. Hell, I "panic" when my ISP has problems and I can't connect!!! :lol:

I can build a computer no problem. But a working computer starts crapping out I'm reaching for the xanax bottle. Windows 7 spoiled me.
 

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Yes, that's exactly my point... I don't think that you're computer illiterate, and my step mother isn't as well. She's done research on Ecigs as I bet you did as well. For those that are older and have NOT learned how to surf, and do research, they rely on the news... and the news is highly skewed nowadays.

I am on the older side.. I don't snapchat, Don't twitter, rarely update my FB page, never posted a vine (when it was up)... but.. I'm savvy enough to know google-fu. I'll have to say my son is more advanced when it comes to smartphones. He just bought a car, got insurance and financing all while sitting at the car dealer's desk, then registered the tag. It was a "sign of the times" for me, since both the dealer and my son were just on their phones doing all the paperwork. Computers are on the down.. it'll all be smartphones.

When I first got an ecig there wasn't much to research. We were all learning. This forum was about a year old. "Has anyone tried" or "How do I" where really basic compared to now and "The FDA has just" was a lot more scary on the surface. The second time I researched.

I hope computers don't go away. I like phones for portability but I hate typing on one. It's my Dr visit brain, but I type at home on the computer and send the notes to my phone to read. No wifi at the Dr's, sorry, I can't think today. That's what I really hate about phones, so little of it is actually on the phone.
 

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Computers aren't new-fangled devices anymore. They've been around for decades. They're not foreign to most old people.

I've gone without a car for periods. But, I have never gone without a computer since around 1990.

I've found that it doesn't depend on age so much as it depends on the individual.

However, old people don't congregate so freely like young people do. They're more likely to be socially cut-off.
 

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I don't get that. I'm not disagreeing. Very few of my college friends are on FB, when they get around to getting on it they're very computer illiterate.
I refused computers for what seemed to be a long time (I was young with my dad using things like 286s and my brother was early into W95) but it seems like the internet as we know it must've been new when I did get into computers.
I see millenials acting like they created the internet. No, my grandfather and I were doing social media of the day when you were on an etch-a-sketch. But then I see my college friends acting like old people about computers. How have they done business for the last 20 years?

I agree. I am 60 years old and bought my first computer (Macintosh Centris 650 with 240MB HD and 8MB of RAM) in 1994... operation system was installed from 3 floppy disk (each floppy disk had capacity of just 1.5 MB (yes, Megabyte not a Gigabyte)... I paid almost $ 2000 for that computer... and for bigger external HD 540MB (yes that just half gigabyte) I paid $ 480......16MB of extra RAM costed me whopping $500.... flatbed scanner that now cost no more than $50 I paid in 1994 $800.... but all those expenses paid off... in late 1994 about 6 months after I bought my first computer I found job as Photoshop Digital Imaging Technician for PrePress shop...Photoshop at that time was available only for Mac and most of my friends were using PC...

Most of my 50-65 year old friends have no problem with computer or surfing a net but they do not like to participate in discussion forums or social media like Facebook or twitter.
 

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How the hell did we "cope/manage" when we had to read one or more books to find a fact and communicating with someone required looking them up in another book and using a finger to rotate a "numbered" ring on a device that had to be attached to a wire, or meeting them literally face-to-face? Is where "we" are at really "progress?" I don't do (and HATE) FB, and every other "social" media (unless you count this forum), I do have a cell-phone that will send/receive text-messages and does have a [crappy] "camera" (that I've used maybe once or twice in 10 yrs) and my "non-plan" costs me $15/mo and my "roll-over minutes" now amount to about 5 hours! What does the term "smart-phone" mean when it has a screen too small to be of any real use, is too difficult to "type" on, costs $600 or more for it plus another $600/yr for "service" and can be tracked and hacked, not to mention eavesdropped, by almost anyone with a $1000 (or less) of equipment and a modicum knowledge? :censored:
 
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How the hell did we "cope/manage" when we had to read one or more books to find a fact and communicating with someone required looking them up in another book and using a finger to rotate a "numbered" ring on a device that had to be attached to a wire, or meeting them literally face-to-face? Is where "we" are at really "progress?" I don't do (and HATE) FB, and every other "social" media (unless you count this forum), I do have a cell-phone that will send/receive text-messages and does have a [crappy] "camera" (that I've used maybe once or twice in 10 yrs) and my "non-plan" costs me $15/mo and my "roll-over minutes" now amount to about 5 hours! What does the term "smart-phone" mean when it has a screen too small to be of any real use, is too difficult to "type" on, costs $600 or more for it plus another $600/yr for "service" and can be tracked and hacked, not to mention eavesdropped, by almost anyone with a $1000 (or less) of equipment and a modicum knowledge? :censored:
I love the internet! No longer having to spend hours in the library TRYING to find the information I want! Being able to learn about anything I want, anytime I want! Being able to find a video reviewing before I buy or even showing me how to use something! No more expensive long distance! Google maps to keep me from getting lost! It goes on and on.

Yes, I love, love, love REAL books. But, now books can be left to be for pleasure while I get the job done faster on the internet. And, I can talk to my daughter in Scotland (and even see her when I talk to her). I could never afford that before.

True, I don't do FB or any other social networking (except for ECF). But, I still use them to snatch family pictures from my children as they post them.

Yes, we did manage before. And, true, some of our old skills may be getting a little rusty. But, the world has opened up to us!
 

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I love the internet! No longer having to spend hours in the library TRYING to find the information I want! Being able to learn about anything I want, anytime I want! Being able to find a video reviewing before I buy or even showing me how to use something! No more expensive long distance! Google maps to keep me from getting lost! It goes on and on.

Yes, I love, love, love REAL books. But, now books can be left to be for pleasure while I get the job done faster on the internet. And, I can talk to my daughter in Scotland (and even see her when I talk to her). I could never afford that before.

True, I don't do FB or any other social networking (except for ECF). But, I still use them to snatch family pictures from my children as they post them.

Yes, we did manage before. And, true, some of our old skills may be getting a little rusty. But, the world has opened up to us!

We can be ignored by our politicians instantly now. :lol:
 
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