Vaping Soap

[MicciMan]

I have sourced VG liquids from a few vendors now and each one tastes like soap. I have vaped unflavored VG and it tastes like soap.

Johnson Creek's old formula VG juices never tasted like this. Their new formula Reduced PG doesn't taste like this either. I have used all of these juices on a KR808D1 and Protege/510.

So I have to ask: these small shops and others making their own liquid - a bunch of them here on ECF - are they using the same VG that is used for soap? Can anyone actually verify?

Or perhaps I am just nuts. And no, I do not vape in the shower.

 

[Kurt]

I have sourced VG liquids from a few vendors now and each one tastes like soap. I have vaped unflavored VG and it tastes like soap.

Johnson Creek's old formula VG juices never tasted like this. Their new formula Reduced PG doesn't taste like this either. I have used all of these juices on a KR808D1 and Protege/510.

So I have to ask: these small shops and others making their own liquid - a bunch of them here on ECF - are they using the same VG that is used for soap? Can anyone actually verify?

Or perhaps I am just nuts. And no, I do not vape in the shower.

Was this USP VG? What brands? Never had this from my Heritage VG from Whole Foods, or VG 38 mg unflav from vtvapor. Soap could be from a badly purified VG synthesis from vegatable oil, which produces, in chemical terms, glycerine and a soap, which is the sodium salt of the long chain faty acid part that comes off to make glycerine. That, or the vendor didn't clean out the bottles well enough before filling and sending. VG does not have a soap taste naturally.

 

[d4rqk0n3]

well I hope Mist-Stix wasnt one of the vendors the OP purchased from... I am just getting ready to try VG =()=

 

[MicciMan]

Was this USP VG? What brands? Never had this from my Heritage VG from Whole Foods, or VG 38 mg unflav from vtvapor. Soap could be from a badly purified VG synthesis from vegatable oil, which produces, in chemical terms, glycerine and a soap, which is the sodium salt of the long chain faty acid part that comes off to make glycerine. That, or the vendor didn't clean out the bottles well enough before filling and sending. VG does not have a soap taste naturally.

Hi Kurt, these are 24mg nicotine VG base stock, my most recent is Nhaler and the other prominent example is Juicy Liquid. There've been a few others since May.

I think I've eliminated variables on my end.

 

[Scottes]

It might be time to DIY. I haven't liked the taste of any VG I've gotten from any vendor except EcoPure. I wouldn't describe the taste as "soap" but it sure does fall into the same category of "tastes lousy" like soap.

I got Heritage VG at Whole Foods Markets, and it doesn't taste very much at all, so I dumped all the other VG I had (OK, the nicotine-free stuff anyway). Heritage VG is not certified/whatever as USP, but they say it's made to USP standards. NOW VG is another choice similar to Heritage brand.

 

[clear lungs]

Micci are you also eating salsa at the same time as you are vaping? lol


(For those who do not know, there is sometimes an herb in salsa that tastes like dish soap to some people. It's called Cilantro. Most people think it tastes fine. Only about 18% of people have the taste buds that make it taste like soap.)

Maybe VG has something in it that is bringing this taste out for you? It could be that at first you didn't notice it because your senses were not as heightened as they are now that you have been a non-smoker for so long. Since VG is vegetable based, I wonder what the chances are that there is a hint of Cilantro oil in it?

Just a thought.

 

[Collateral5]

Micci are you also eating salsa at the same time as you are vaping? lol


(For those who do not know, there is sometimes an herb in salsa that tastes like dish soap to some people. It's called Cilantro. Most people think it tastes fine. Only about 18% of people have the taste buds that make it taste like soap.)

Maybe VG has something in it that is bringing this taste out for you? It could be that at first you didn't notice it because your senses were not as heightened as they are now that you have been a non-smoker for so long. Since VG is vegetable based, I wonder what the chances are that there is a hint of Cilantro oil in it?

Just a thought.

Always wondered why the heck when I had chips and salsa at mexican restaurants it tasted like soap lmao

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

Soapy taste would come from too much flavoring being added- or an acrid taste-
3 types of glycerin
tallow, Vegetable, and synthetic
Synthetic is petroleum based-
Tallow is made up of animal fats & oils and is a lower grade glycerin-
vegetable glycerin is made up of ... vegetable fats & oils-

in order to ensure you are getting a pure vegetable glycerin, purchase from health food stores or sources - organic type etc-
Not that anything is "wrong" with the other grades but the impurities in tallow glycerin vary greatly
synthetic glycerin supposedly came about to clear out the unknown impurities
Regardless you want vegetable glycerin...
all glycerin has a slightly sweet taste to it- it will not cause a soapy taste-
This would really only help if you plan to start mixing your own eliquids- otherwise you would have to ask what their glycerin source is and then look into the type it is-
I suggest you use some clean attys- new if need be - and check each liquid separately- I think you may have gotten one w/ too much flavoring, causing a soapy/acrid taste and it affected your atty so the rest of the liquids got that taste also- I think it is strange that all vendors you have used taste soapy... check each one separately- you will probably find it was the first one you used and the others are fine...

 

[Scottes]

The flavoring is a possibility. My wife likes one of her mixes to contain 30% of FlavourArt Tiramisu flavor. I think this mix tastes like soap.

But again, some types of VG taste quite disgusting to me, so that's possible, too.


If you haven't positively nailed it as VG, you may want to run through a process of elimination to find the ingredient that is causing the issue.

 

[Silence]

Cilantro tastes like soap to me... pure hand soap... I have to ask if thier food has cilantro or i'll end up sending it back

 

[aschmidy]

Micci, I have been using VG only since January. I know what you mean about the 'soap' taste. I always think of it as a soapy perfume taste. The only straight VG vendors I have not run into that with is Ecopure and the old Johnson Creek. I have thrown tons of juice down the drain because of it. (Juicy Liquid was the worst) And it is not an atty or any other B.S. I found it helps if I shake the bottle frequently and keep it in 3 or 5 ml. for daily use. I don't use it right out of the 15 or 30 ml. anymore.
I tried the DIY route and it doesn't work for me. Too many flavorings have PG as the base and I get nasty asthma attacks if there is any PG in there. Not fun. But I have found that I can work around just about anything with ecigs if I just hang in there and don't give up and don't use it as an excuse to go back to analogs.

 

[Scottes]

Micci and aschmidy: You guys might want to give NOW or Heritage vegetable glycerin a try. It's not USP, so use them at your own risk, but EcoPure isn't USP either.

It's a shame that EcoMix isn't easily available in the US. Cignot sells "EcoMix" but describes it as "Mixed under the direction of Intellicig to match ECOmix" so it's not the same exact stuff that goes into EcoPure.

 

[just-a-nobody]

Micci and aschmidy: You guys might want to give NOW or Heritage vegetable glycerin a try. It's not USP, so use them at your own risk, but EcoPure isn't USP either.

Hmmmm..I just read my Now VG bottle and it says it is USP and Food Grade all-natural product derived from vegetable oil.

 

[Scottes]

I think it says that it's "USP grade" but not that it's certified/regulated whatever by the USP. So they make it to the same specifications.

EDIT: They say that they make it to the same specifications. Believe it if you wish.

An email reply from them:

Hello,

While cannot reveal our suppliers name the product is USP Pharmaceutical grade and tested to be free of Diethylene Glycol and has to meet our strict specs in a number of ways. Country of Origin is USA.
Glycerin USP supplied by our manufacturer meets or exceeds all the requirements of the United States Pharmacopoeia (USP), the European Pharmacopoeia (EP), and the Food Chemicals Codex (FCC) and it suitable for use in all those applications specifically authorized for Glycerin in Chapter 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (21 CFR). The manufacturing process is managed in accordance with current Good Manufacturing Practices (cGMP) as required by current food laws.
Our supplier processes, filters, and confirms USP and FCC specifications at their on site laboratory. The facility operates in compliance with current Good Manufacturing Practices (cGMP) as promulgated under 21 CFR 210. The facility has been assigned permanent drug registration number 1450491 and NDC labeler code 053206 by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This registration has been maintained since 1984 and requires allowance of unannounced FDA inspections for renewal.

We purchase the best raw materials from all over the world and use these here in our Bloomingdale, IL facility to produce our products. See here for an overview of incoming material inspection:

NOW Foods - Incoming Material Inspection And Release

Thank you for your inquiry,
NOW Science & Nutrition Group

 

[MicciMan]

Many thanks for the replies and the suggestions!

Being married to a Puerto Rican woman, I get my fair share of cilantro and I love it! (for almost 20 yrs now) It never tastes like soap.

I tried my liquids again and same thing.

I asked 2 coworkers today who vape to try the Nhaler stuff in their PV's and they both said "soap". No tobacco or anything else, just soap.

Thankfully I find the JC Reduced PG quite tasty and a great vape, and use it daily. But like most here, I like to try new liquids. DIY doesn't appeal to me. EcoPure sounds worth a try.

Again, thank you all for the suggestions, the knowledge shared, and the experiences!