Vaping = Veggie burgers

[Jay-dub]

Veggie burgers pay for a USDA Organic stamp. Yep, pay to play. Odd we'd think our hobby/habit would be treated differently from any other product ever. Though, the reasoning for the high tax rates on tobacco is due to the health effects. Kind of hard to justify taxing liquid or vape-gear under that guise. Hasn't stopped them though. Banning trade on a state level could be constitutionally challenged under the Commerce Clause. But you'd have to have other states willing to push the issue. Over-regulation could cause more problems than under-regulation. But, D.C. doesn't appear to be bothered by having egg on it's face... all my time here and I still think anything could happen. Frustrating.

 

[Anjaffm]

I guess its easier to BS someone than to tell the truth....

Especially if the truth does not support their agenda

 

[catlady60]

I think we should all learn to DIY for just in case!

If the fourth branch of the government (big corporations) find out we're all DIYing, they'll ban beakers, graduated cylinders, funnels, and other DIY gear. Just watch!

 

[Glen Snyder]

Pretty sure the USDA regulates food products. Should the FDA regulate vape products?

The FDA has already been granted the task to regulate the e-cig market. Only questions now are when and how. As for a direct answer, and this may not be too popular to hear, yes the ecig industry should be regulated to some extent. E-liquids in particular need to be regulated for known hazards. The most recent example: titanium dioxide used in the food coloring of an e-liquid. Did the vendor/manufacturer willingly remove the offending ingredient, yes. It was not only the responsible thing to do, but surely would have earned them a reputation that would be a business killer had they not.

That said, IMO the ecig industry as a whole has done a fair job of self regulating up to present, but is not up to par with most other consumer goods. A few simple guidelines regarding safety and ingredient disclosures should be sufficient JMO

 

[HoseGarden]

veggie burgers taste like ....t

 

[Anjaffm]

, A few simple guidelines regarding safety and ingredient disclosures should be sufficient JMO

Sure they would. IF - and I say IF - they stop at that.
However, stopping at that would not serve the interests of Big Industry.

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan:
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

 

[Bramble]

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But, you know, it looks like a burger! oh, the horror! It looks like a burger! Won't somebody think of the children?
Second hand veggie burger breath - the new scourge threatening our children! *runs away screaming"

Hahah!!! I mean it's funny but I have actually seen so many things like this -- every social movement has its ANTZ, seriously!!

I have been in the thick of the "veggie" movement for many years, even worked for a large org. I'm still an activist but I'm an indie and my activism is almost parallel to the Vaping movement: Help promote good alternatives that people can try IF THEY WANT TO, help people make these choices IF THEY WANT YOU TO, never judge, and above all -- entice them with delicious flavors

All of these social movements have common threads. They start off with a noble purpose, ostensibly to correct some issue in society that is harmful or unjust. All too often, given enough power, they BECOME a thing that is harmful and unjust. It doesn't matter what "cause" it is, something in human nature gets drunk on power and authority and decides that we have to "fix" people.

 

[Mdport]

Sure they would. IF - and I say IF - they stop at that.
However, stopping at that would not serve the interests of Big Industry.

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan:
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

I have always been a fan of "limited" government. But most governments have no limits. They just keep creating more job security for themselves.

 

[Mdport]

Hahah!!! I mean it's funny but I have actually seen so many things like this -- every social movement has its ANTZ, seriously!!

I have been in the thick of the "veggie" movement for many years, even worked for a large org. I'm still an activist but I'm an indie and my activism is almost parallel to the Vaping movement: Help promote good alternatives that people can try IF THEY WANT TO, help people make these choices IF THEY WANT YOU TO, never judge, and above all -- entice them with delicious flavors

All of these social movements have common threads. They start off with a noble purpose, ostensibly to correct some issue in society that is harmful or unjust. All too often, given enough power, they BECOME a thing that is harmful and unjust. It doesn't matter what "cause" it is, something in human nature gets drunk on power and authority and decides that we have to "fix" people.

Just so you know - the original comment was simply an ANAOLGY.
I have nothing against veggie burgers.

 

[Rickajho]

Sure they would. IF - and I say IF - they stop at that.
However, stopping at that would not serve the interests of Big Industry.

Hell, the FDA can't keep up with regulating what they have in front of them to begin with. C'mon people - you know this is all about taxes. How many dots do you have to connect between "...for the children!" and "...proposes a 95% tax on e-cigs". If these ummm "holes" were all that concerned about health risk they would be proposing restrictions on use combined with outrageous taxes. They would be proposing outright bans on sales. And... they don't seem to actually do that.

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan:
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

In this particular case? True dat.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Veggie burgers do to the hamburger what severe rectal trauma does to a long, pleasurable road trip - there is just nothing right about it.

We need to get the ANTZ to turn their focus on vegetarians and vegans trying to make things that have the same names and shapes as food with cow parts in them. I saw a sign at a vegan place that said "we sell vegan ice cream" Nope, sorry, no such thing. If you are against the consumption of tasty cow bits and products, then you have to be against things that are "like" tasty cow bits and products but really aren't. It just makes you a hypocrite. You don't see meat lovers trying to make steak based broccoli or chicken based tofu. Bacon comes from a pig, not some variant of squash so you can't call your poor imitation "bacon" or "bacon like" - we already have that, it's called turkey bacon.

 

[Bramble]

Just so you know - the original comment was simply an ANAOLGY.
I have nothing against veggie burgers.

It was an apt analogy that struck a chord with me from other things I've been involved with Because I really have seen similar things in completely different causes.

 

[Bramble]

Hell, the FDA can't keep up with regulating what they have in front of them to begin with. C'mon people - you know this is all about taxes. How many dots do you have to connect between "...for the children!" and "...proposes a 95% tax on e-cigs". If these ummm "holes" were all that concerned about health risk they would be proposing restrictions on use combined with outrageous taxes. They would be proposing outright bans on sales. And... they don't seem to actually do that.



In this particular case? True dat.

I agree. Ya know I keep hearing about harm reduction and comparing this to methadone clinics but this not the same at all. The methadone is actually legal and used to wean people off something illicit. In our case, smoking remains perfectly legal and easily accessible. People have a real choice about whether to smoke or vape, therefore vaping needs to remain competitive.

If the government would just leave people alone with this, I believe smoking would extinguish itself.

 

[Anjaffm]

If the government would just leave people alone with this, I believe smoking would extinguish itself.

Now that is the quote of the century
Yes, it would. Because smokers can have something much better. The same enjoyment - but without any of the harm.

Uh oh.
But we can't have people enjoying themselves now, can we?
And especially - we can't have people enjoying themselves without paying through the nose for the privilege, paying to Big Industry and Big Government.
We can't have people saying "Hey! I found something much better than tobacco! So I will make the switch to this wonderful alternative! Of my own free will. And with my own money. I - the citizen, the person - will make an informed choice!"

What will result if we allow this? I'll tell you: loss of control. People thinking for themselves. People making informed decisions. People making their own choices about what to do with their own lives. - Instead of being timid animals with the government as their shepherd.

No, we can't have that now.
Gotta nip this horrible development in the bud and return the sheep to their pen.
After all, how can we shear them if they roam free?
No, we can't have that now.

 

[Bramble]

Now that is the quote of the century
Yes, it would. Because smokers can have something much better. The same enjoyment - but without any of the harm.

Uh oh.
But we can't have people enjoying themselves now, can we?
And especially - we can't have people enjoying themselves without paying through the nose for the privilege, paying to Big Industry and Big Government.
We can't have people saying "Hey! I found something much better than tobacco! So I will make the switch to this wonderful alternative! Of my own free will. And with my own money. I - the citizen, the person - will make an informed choice!"

What will result if we allow this? I'll tell you: loss of control. People thinking for themselves. People making informed decisions. People making their own choices about what to do with their own lives. - Instead of being timid animals with the government as their shepherd.

No, we can't have that now.
Gotta nip this horrible development in the bud and return the sheep to their pen.
After all, how can we shear them if they roam free?
No, we can't have that now.

Yep yep. I was just saying in another thread - Tobacco Control is furious that we have created our own cessation culture around a product that they can't control or profit from.

Using their own words, smoking has always been the cool club. Well vaping is just the cool kids moving on to something better so it will naturally be cool as well. We can't help that, and I do appreciate what a daunting task it has been for them to denormalize the cool but... here we are LOL

 

[Bramble]

Now Im confoooosed... I thought PETA was an acronym for People Eating Tasty Animals

People Euthanizing Trusting Animals

 

[sneakerpimp]

Just so you know - the original comment was simply an ANAOLGY.
I have nothing against veggie burgers.

you have no clue what a good veggie burger is.

 

[guambred]

So we all end up eating veggie burgers living to 120 yo and in 43 yrs the government imposes a "Logans Run" senerio since there are way too many old people not paying taxes....

I recently tried to pull up logans run on Netflix. sorry they dont have it.

 

[Jay-dub]

I eat veggie burgers and veggie sausage patties. Took a long time to find ones that taste good enough to eat. It's a lot like vaping in that sense. Took some patience to stick with it until I found something that works for me. I still eat meat, but it's veggie products are a good tool to cut back on meat with. Wonder what the meat industry does to undermine veggie products...

I have a roadhouse not to far from me that I ride to for good beer and burgers. They sell Bison burgers from a farm/slaughterhouse no more than two miles away. Friggin' delicious! I could never quit meat. As Dennis Leary said a hundred years ago - "Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes ... good!". LOL!

 

[Brend]

Read the back of your toothpaste tube.