Vaping with rebuilt doesn't feel right in my head

[KevNewEngland]

I just started rebuilding and I'm 2 for 2 in successfully making a new coil/wick on a Vivi head. I used 32g A1 Kanthal and cheesecloth. Vapor production was slightly less than stock heads, flavor was surprisingly good and throat hit was meh. The one thing I noticed instantly was that my head didn't feel right. It's hard to describe but it's like lightheaded, almost like a headache is coming on too. What could be causing that and does this happen to you?

 

[Jimi D.]

That may very well be more nicotine delivery.

 

[KevNewEngland]

That may very well be more nicotine delivery.

Interesting. I guess it could be. It just feels weird. I'm sticking with stock heads for now.

 

[Hitmetwice]

It does sound like more efficient delivery of nic./flavour.

If you pre-glowed the coil and are sure the cheescloth doesn't have any nasty additives,
maybe even boiled it first. I would just try a lower nic. juice and see how that goes.
Play with voltage/wattage a bit if you can to get the desired TH, vapour and heat.

As long as it's wet you don't have to be concerned about burning the wick.

I'd keep playing around with it...more/less cheesecloth...less/more coils etc.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I've found that both cotton and SS mesh deliver more nic compared to silica.

The drop in vapor you're getting...its probably what I usually call "wispy" vapor and it seems to happen with cotton when something is off in terms of wick density, coils too loose/tight, etc. You get good vapor, but it seems kind of thinner than it should be.

When cotton is set up right, vapor will meet if not exceed that from silica.

Unfortunately I can't give you a vapor fix because as much as I love cotton, I'm on a real bad run with it and all my set ups are sucking

 

[KevNewEngland]

It does sound like more efficient delivery of nic./flavour.

If you pre-glowed the coil and are sure the cheescloth doesn't have any nasty additives,
maybe even boiled it first. I would just try a lower nic. juice and see how that goes.
Play with voltage/wattage a bit if you can to get the desired TH, vapour and heat.

As long as it's wet you don't have to be concerned about burning the wick.

I'd keep playing around with it...more/less cheesecloth...less/more coils etc.

I pre-glowed the wire. I have a feeling some it was from the cheesecloth. The packaging was as simple as can be. It doesn't say anything other than it's 100% cotton and good for the home and kitchen. At some point, I will try the 2mm and 2 strand method described in another thread and see where that goes. I know what a nic buzz feels like. This felt like something else.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

are you sure its not burning slightly? Inhaling that would make me lightheaded.

 

[KevNewEngland]

are you sure its not burning slightly? Inhaling that would make me lightheaded.

Nah, it's not burning. Actually, it vapes pretty well, just not as awesome as the stock heads. Also, "lightheaded" may not have been the correct way to describe the feeling. It's just, well, weird!

 

[vikeme28]

Nah, it's not burning. Actually, it vapes pretty well, just not as awesome as the stock heads. Also, "lightheaded" may not have been the correct way to describe the feeling. It's just, well, weird!

I have been failing miserably at cotton and I know the feeling your getting. I get it too. I have pretty much given up on cotton. Can't get the wicks to keep up and for some reason I get severely dehydrated with it also. Most likely my lack of skills. But yeah definitely a weird thing in the head going on mainly in the back base of the brain area.

 

[Jimi D.]

Acrolein, also called propenal, is a toxic compound released with burning of wood, cotton, paper, and petroleum. It is the simplest aldehyde with a 3-carbon chain. Acrolein is a very unstable compound that can bind to particles. Severe upper respiratory irritation can occur, and it is also toxic to lower airways mucosa. Sudden death in less than 10 minutes will occur with breathing concentrations of over 50 ppm.43,44 COTTON DUST AND SMOKING EFFECTS ON LUNG FUNCTION IN COTTON TEXTILE WORKERS Lets be careful Guys and Gals. I know it's not being smoked, but it can get burned on a dry hit.

 

[KevNewEngland]

But yeah definitely a weird thing in the head going on mainly in the back base of the brain area.

Yup. That right there is what I should have said.

 

[vikeme28]

Been trying to pinpoint a way to describe it and the best I can come up with is its a fuzzy kinda numbness feeling. My coils are usually a 1.8 to 2.2 and run at I suppose 7-8 Watts on the provari and no matter how loose or tight I have the wick on both smoktech and vision vivi's they never keep up. Using both yarn and cheesecloth. They just start turning a light brown too fast. And the severe dehydration goes hand in hand with the fuzzyness. I am pretty much done with cotton

 

[Vapor Fiend]

The set up I use seems to work well. I was told to do it in the chat by RonsPic.

Take some cotton and make a good wick, then wrap that in ss mesh. It might be hard to oxidize it afterwards so what I did was make the stainless steel mesh wick and oxidize it first, then unwrapped it and wrapped it around cotton. Then you wrap a thin layer of more cotton around the mesh, then wrap the wire. It works well but I left a tail of cotton coming out of the bottom of my ss mesh wick so that it'll soak up juice from the well on my phoenix.


And I'd just like to get a straight answer as to using cotton. If it's kept nice and wet, is it really safe? I keep seeing this stuff about "acrolein" and things like "sudden death in 10 minutes" and it gets me worried.

If my cotton goes dry without me knowing and I take even the smallest hit off of it, is it going to be dangerous or just taste like crap?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

well fuzzy numbness reminds me of how I've felt when inhaling anything that's burning, so that makes sense

 

[skelley]

I've been using cotton inside SS mesh for several days w/o issue.
As the juice well gets low/empty, the flavor will get weak before the cotton gets hot.
I think it just works as the cotton isn't in direct contact with the coil.
I pulled one leg out of the well and trimmed it slightly and I now have it pointing up.
This helps as juice now flows up & back down to the coil.
This method...

 

[supervape]

The sudden death in ten minutes is more likely if there is a fire of cotton and your stuck in a room, a half dry hit is hardly enough time to cause that

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[TomCatt]

Acrolein, also called propenal, is a toxic compound released with burning of wood, cotton, paper, and petroleum. It is the simplest aldehyde with a 3-carbon chain. Acrolein is a very unstable compound that can bind to particles. Severe upper respiratory irritation can occur, and it is also toxic to lower airways mucosa. Sudden death in less than 10 minutes will occur with breathing concentrations of over 50 ppm.43,44 COTTON DUST AND SMOKING EFFECTS ON LUNG FUNCTION IN COTTON TEXTILE WORKERS Lets be careful Guys and Gals. I know it's not being smoked, but it can get burned on a dry hit.

Hmmm, burning paper, like maybe cigarette paper? Not something that kills you in 10 minutes. I would think the 10 minutes refers to something like being caught inside a burning building and smoke inhalation.

Not able to read the full article. Is it about "Smoking Cotton"? or smoking cigarettes? It doesn't say anything in the title or abstract except "smoking".

Acrolein has also been brought up as a combustion product of VG:
Wikipedia:

Acrolein (systematic name: propenal) is the simplest unsaturated aldehyde. It is a colourless liquid with a piercing, disagreeable, acrid smell. The smell of burnt fat (as when cooking oil is heated to its smoke point) is caused by glycerol in the burning fat breaking down into acrolein.

For normal, regular vaping, temperatures are not reached that will convert VG to acrolein.

I've burnt a couple of cotton wicks (in my Phoenix RBA only, another reason I don't like dripping ). You're not going to vape 10 minutes of burning cotton, unless you're a masochist .

 

[Jimi D.]

I thought cigarette paper was made out of rice. But I doubt it is from big tobacco.LOL

I'm not saying it's gonna kill in 10 minutes. I just seen these articles, that cotton is not good for the lungs.

I'm not using it period! I get plenty of vapor in my DID atty with just a SS wick.

 

[Switched]

I've found that both cotton and SS mesh deliver more nic compared to silica.

The drop in vapor you're getting...its probably what I usually call "wispy" vapor and it seems to happen with cotton when something is off in terms of wick density, coils too loose/tight, etc. You get good vapor, but it seems kind of thinner than it should be.

When cotton is set up right, vapor will meet if not exceed that from silica.

Unfortunately I can't give you a vapor fix because as much as I love cotton, I'm on a real bad run with it and all my set ups are sucking

What ^^he said ^^

 

[TomCatt]

I thought cigarette paper was made out of rice. But I doubt it is from big tobacco.LOL

I'm not saying it's gonna kill in 10 minutes. I just seen these articles, that cotton is not good for the lungs.

I'm not using it period! I get plenty of vapor in my DID atty with just a SS wick.

I do believe that cig paper is or was rice paper; but your first sentence in that post was from an article about smoking and smoke inhalation.

That's the great thing about vaping now, it seems there's often something new to try. If you've found your sweet spot you're good to go; if not, something new is bound to be just around the corner.


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