Vaping with Smokers.

[PaporPlas]

Well, sitting at a coffee shop that I like(d) because they have an area outside where you can sit and smoke with your order. In Los Angeles - the land of "NO SMOKING" at zero restaurants, public beaches, within 20 feet of any business entrance, bus stops, within 100 feet of any school (a VERY good thing) and diminishing daily where one is allowed to fire up a stinky-stick. I am munching down on my food when a couple come up, sit at the small table next to me (up-wind) and both fire up analogs. Pretty much ruining my meal. I don't say anything since it is after all, their area.

I sat out here, because I wanted to vape, and don't feel sitting inside the restaurant will be cool, doing such. However, the really funny thing is, just as I no longer can stand smoking, I really don't like their smoke blowing into my face either. So, my dilema (eventually, possibly all of ours) if the laws become so that Vapers are only allowed to smoke where "smoking is allowed" that means there will be less and less places where we can vape. Even though we are NOT smoking.

 

[mylose64]

I'm not a huge fan of smoking now that I switched to vaping either. My girlfriend drives me nuts when I'm stuck in her car while she chain-smokes.

I don't like the smell, but it's something I'll just have to deal with. I find the comparison of e-cigs and analogs to be almost obselete. I can't find any similarity except e-cigs can contain nicotine. Sure they may give off vapor that looks like smoke, but they are completely different.

In savannah the laws are kinda dumb and now people who vape are FORCED to go outside with the smokers.

But it's fine with me, I can still socialize, which is why I started analogs in the first place

I think the whole "e-cigs are like cigarettes, but safer" kind of backfired on vapers because we are now being forced to be in the same catagory as smokers, at least where I live.

Maybe if e-cigs came out and were promoted as something other than a "alternative to smoking" we wouldn't be in the predicament which we are now facing.

 

[calico21]

Ha, I am forced to go outside with them at work only because the manager who also uses an e-cig said from 70 feet away they can't tell the difference and some analogers(is that a word?) might try to get away with it inside.

 

[PaporPlas]

Ha, I am forced to go outside with them at work only because the manager who also uses an e-cig said from 70 feet away they can't tell the difference and some analogers(is that a word?) might try to get away with it inside.

How about "non-Vapers"? : )

 

[echofinder]

Cig smoke doesn't bother me; when it's warm I like an excuse to go outside anyways. Y'know what else doesn't bother me? Anti-smoking & anti-vaping laws. I smoked like a fiend for 6 years, everywhere that wasn't inside a public building. Distance restrictions? Park/city restrictions? F that, was never called on it once. Another set of laws that nobody does or could enforce. Vaping? We can do that anywhere. Have not had one person dare to say anything to me, inside restaurants, shops, or anywhere else. Load up some low-vapor pg juice & go. If they want to make laws, fine, but I am going to make sure they have to do the work of enforcing them!

 

[Retriever]

Well, sitting at a coffee shop that I like(d) because they have an area outside where you can sit and smoke with your order. In Los Angeles - the land of "NO SMOKING" at zero restaurants, public beaches, within 20 feet of any business entrance, bus stops, within 100 feet of any school (a VERY good thing) and diminishing daily where one is allowed to fire up a stinky-stick. I am munching down on my food when a couple come up, sit at the small table next to me (up-wind) and both fire up analogs. Pretty much ruining my meal. I don't say anything since it is after all, their area.

I sat out here, because I wanted to vape, and don't feel sitting inside the restaurant will be cool, doing such. However, the really funny thing is, just as I no longer can stand smoking, I really don't like their smoke blowing into my face either. So, my dilema (eventually, possibly all of ours) if the laws become so that Vapers are only allowed to smoke where "smoking is allowed" that means there will be less and less places where we can Vape. Even though we are NOT smoking.

I don't like the smoke either, but I try to be tolerant. After all, I use to be a smoker and I know what it is like. Who knows, maybe one of them will inquire about my vaping and I can educate them on what I'm doing.

 

[Darkside77]

At work I continue to go out with the smokers even though I am allowed to vape in the shop just so I can answer the questions when I pull a mod out of my pocket instead of a pack of cigs. I have had 3 converts since christmas and a couple more on the fence just needing a gentle push.

 

[John Phoenix]

Maybe if e-cigs came out and were promoted as something other than a "alternative to smoking" we wouldn't be in the predicament which we are now facing.

It had to be that way. E-cigs were originally designed to be quit smoking products. I think they should be marketed as quit smoking products - I personally promote them to my smoking peers as a way they can quit smoking - One just cannot sell them that way because vendors cannot make health claims.

If they were not marketed as a quit smoking alternative, they would not have helped millions of people world wide reduce their harm from smoking.

A cop will tell you, if you act like your doing something wrong even if your not, you will be perceived as a criminal. Joining the smokers outside says to people that you are a dirty little smoker too. Very few places where i live ban vaping - even places where smoking is not allowed. If I HAD to join the smokers I would use it as an opportunity to educate smokers on vaping. Sometimes I choose to vape near the smokers say at Wall Mart, just to talk to them about vaping - then proudly walk into the store vaping away, showing them I can vape in the store too.

Both groups the smokers and non smokers need to see vapers be highly visible. They will learn in time that vaping is not smoking and become to be more lax. Studies are coming out all the time on the relative safety of vaping compared to smoking. One could even make the argument forcing you to join the smokers is the same as forcing non smokers into a hazardous situation because of second hand smoke.

 

[PaporPlas]

Don't get me wrong....I don't feel like smokers are a problem. It's more of a concern that we get relegated with them to "smoking areas".

I agree with you mylose64, it might be time to start promoting Vaping, rather than eCigs.

 

[Secti0n31]

Oddly enough I don't mind smoke at all. I'll still let friends smoke in my car, and I'll hang out with the smokers. The smell and the smoke don't bother me. What does bother me is that I still feel bad vaping in places that I'd normally never smoke. I shouldn't. It's just fog, but still, I'm not up for the confrontation. My only advise is to find other ways or places to get your vape on. I'll ape every time I use the restroom. So it's either that, or vape where the smokers smoke.

 

[PaporPlas]

Oddly enough I don't mind smoke at all. I'll still let friends smoke in my car, and I'll hang out with the smokers. The smell and the smoke don't bother me. What does bother me is that I still feel bad vaping in places that I'd normally never smoke. I shouldn't. It's just fog, but still, I'm not up for the confrontation. My only advise is to find other ways or places to get your vape on. I'll ape every time I use the restroom. So it's either that, or vape where the smokers smoke.

I'm pretty much the same way as you....except the smoke in my car....I never even smoked in my car, even though I do vape in it now, ALL THE TIME! LOL

I probably should have titled this thread better. What I am trying to say, is that as the places where smokers are relegated to, become limited more and more, so too will the places where we can vape comfortably. : /

 

[VapingRulz]

I think that lumping vaping together with smoking is a violation of my right to a smoke-free environment. I started vaping because I wanted to stop inhaling burning tobacco, a well-publicized health risk. What right does anyone have to force me to go outside to a smoking area where I have no choice but to inhale smoke - when I'm not a smoker?

Yes, I know that any company can make its own rules, yadda-yadda-yadda. My point is that by deliberately putting vapers (who are non-smokers) at risk of developing smoking-related diseases simply because vaping "looks like" smoking, it could well be a viable basis for a class action or lawsuit of some kind. Vaping is not smoking. It does not harm innocent bystanders, which is the basis for the non-smoking laws that have become so obnoxious that they defy reason. There is already adequate research to show that vape plumes are not dangerous like smoke... yet we are so accustomed to being treated like lepers that we don't fight back.

Join CASAA and help make them stronger. They can help to ensure that our voices are heard.

 

[PaporPlas]

i think that lumping vaping together with smoking is a violation of my right to a smoke-free environment. I started vaping because i wanted to stop inhaling burning tobacco, a well-publicized health risk. What right does anyone have to force me to go outside to a smoking area where i have no choice but to inhale smoke - when i'm not a smoker?

Yes, i know that any company can make its own rules, yadda-yadda-yadda. My point is that by deliberately putting vapers (who are non-smokers) at risk of developing smoking-related diseases simply because vaping "looks like" smoking, it could well be a viable basis for a class action or lawsuit of some kind. Vaping is not smoking. It does not harm innocent bystanders, which is the basis for the non-smoking laws that have become so obnoxious that they defy reason. There is already adequate research to show that vape plumes are not dangerous like smoke... Yet we are so accustomed to being treated like lepers that we don't fight back.

Join casaa and help make them stronger. They can help to ensure that our voices are heard.

heck yeah!

 

[DummyMe]

I envy you guys that CAN vape in non-smoking areas. New Jersey banned indoor vaping, also. I'm stuck with the smokers or steath vaping in the bathroom. I found out that Atomic Cinnacide is not a good stealth vape. I was at a movie theater alone in a men's room. So, I took a good long pull on my PV at a urinal. Some other guy came in while I was washing my hands. He walk up to the same urinal & said "HMMM, cinnamon urinal cakes." I had to leave quickly 'cause I was laughing too hard.

 

[DC2]

I think that lumping vaping together with smoking is a violation of my right to a smoke-free environment. I started vaping because I wanted to stop inhaling burning tobacco, a well-publicized health risk. What right does anyone have to force me to go outside to a smoking area where I have no choice but to inhale smoke - when I'm not a smoker?

Yes, I know that any company can make its own rules, yadda-yadda-yadda. My point is that by deliberately putting vapers (who are non-smokers) at risk of developing smoking-related diseases simply because vaping "looks like" smoking, it could well be a viable basis for a class action or lawsuit of some kind. Vaping is not smoking. It does not harm innocent bystanders, which is the basis for the non-smoking laws that have become so obnoxious that they defy reason. There is already adequate research to show that vape plumes are not dangerous like smoke... yet we are so accustomed to being treated like lepers that we don't fight back.

Join CASAA and help make them stronger. They can help to ensure that our voices are heard.

Every vaper should read you post and consider the truth it contains.

After you have been vaping for awhile, you will move on to other subforums within ECF and you will learn.
And what you will learn is that powerful interests have been, and continue to try and eliminate electronic cigarettes.

Their tactics run the gamut...
--Straight up attempted bans on everything and anything electronic cigarette related
--Attempted application of massive and unreasonable taxes equal to that of cigarettes
--Crying about the children, if only someone would think about the children
--Attacks on the use of flavors that we all love so much, because apparently we are children
--Attacks on use where smoking is banned because it looks like smoking

These forces will do anything and everything to make it harder for people to use (and switch to) electronic cigarettes.
They pretend it is about health, or about the children, or about whatever they can pretend it to be about.
Everything, that is, except the real truth that money is the main factor.

They lie, they manipulate scientific data, and they use fearmongering and propaganda techniques.
They are highly funded, highly motivated, and well-trained in how to crush the opposition.
And that opposition is us.

Read the Electronic News subforums, and become educated.
And if you do nothing else, join CASAA, who fights for us because they ARE us.

And if you feel so inclined, donate to CASAA as well.
But if you do nothing else, make sure you have no intention of rolling over and letting them stomp on us.
Because they have big boots, and they are aiming for your guts.

Yeah, that all sounds kind of out-there, right?
Sort of tinfoil hat, right?

I never believed in conspiracy theories before I became a vaper.
Now I fight a little bit every day to keep them from taking my lifesaving e-cigs away from me.

I hope you do the same, because every single voice matters.

 

[DC2]

Wow, looks like I just had myself a little rant there!

 

[PaporPlas]

Wow, looks like I just had myself a little rant there!

Nope...you just spoke truth, and sometimes the truth requires a few words to be heard.

 

[DummyMe]

DC2 Rant On!!!!!!!!!

 

[Keeno]

I don't like the smoke either, but I try to be tolerant. After all, I use to be a smoker and I know what it is like. Who knows, maybe one of them will inquire about my vaping and I can educate them on what I'm doing.

I use to by choice hang out in smoke filled enviroments all the time and it was no big deal. The older I've gotten the less I preferred it. Even when I was still smoking I quit going to smoke filled bars. I just prefer not to breath in other peoples smoke and have been that way for a few years now even when I still smoked.

My gf who hates smoke and who has never smoked goes out occasionally to smoke filled bars to see bands.....I never go with her and she's fine with that.....seems kind of odd on the surface but I just refuse to breath second hand smoke.

 

[Patrick21]

How about this for a law...

Vapors can smoke wherever they want but smokers have to smoke at least 50 foot from another person lol

Only joking, i personally dont mind people smoking. Few friends were around tonight and they all smoke analogues, its only me and the girl friend who vape. I even let them smoke in the house which i shouldnt really do..