Vapocolypse

[Bad Ninja]

Ok so lets see.. for the pending vapepocalypse... i need to stock up on flavorings... no wait i can buy that regardless. Wait no i need vg... no i can get that at walmart... oh i need vg... no i can get that at tractor supply... oh yeah i need nicotine... thats it... oh no wait thats a readily available pesticide... ok ok how about the mod... lets see... mech mod= electronic fire starter... vv/vw mod and tank... personal diffuser... ok so what exactly am i scared about?

Mech mod is a flashlight. That's why it's impossible for anyone to get a utility patent on the design.

We don't use nicotine as a pesticide any longer.
It won't be banned but will probably be taxed and regulated.
Unless you are confident you can source it internationally, you might want to stock up or be prepared to pay a lot more for it.

 

[Rossum]

oh yeah i need nicotine... thats it... oh no wait thats a readily available pesticide..

You sure about that?

Even if it were true, I don't think I'd be very comfortable vaping it.

 

[jbnuke]

Mech mod is a flashlight. That's why it's impossible for anyone to get a utility patent on the design.

We don't use nicotine as a pesticide any longer.
It won't be banned but will probably be taxed and regulated.
Unless you are confident you can source it internationally, you might want to stock up or be prepared to pay a lot more for it.

Organic farming my friend. Thats where it is still used.

 

[jbnuke]

The point is people have been working around laws for as long as there have been laws. So am i the least bit worried about the fda? Nope.

 

[mauricem00]

The point is people have been working around laws for as long as there have been laws. So am i the least bit worried about the fda? Nope.

Jefferson once said that " a moral man has a right and an obligation to violate an unjust law" trying to keep us smoking for the tax revenue is immoral and unjust

 

[Bad Ninja]

Organic farming my friend. Thats where it is still used.

I am organic farmer.
Not nicotine.
Nicotonoids are used in commercial farming. It's not the same thing, and it's thought to be the cause of colony collapse disorder in honey bees.
If you think you can get nicotine from pesticides you are dangerously mistaken.

 

[crxess]

If you really like a particular RDA, you should have at least two of them. That way if something happens to one of them (for example it catches fire and melts o-rings or the insulator) you can use the good one, not just to vape on, but also to size up the parts you need to obtain or fabricate.

So, is 6 to many?
I really like my Magma RDA's. When I fine one I like I usually end up with 2-3 or 6

 

[Ryedan]

Minimalist approach:

Stolen from this thread, which you should check for other ideas.

That is the best vented mod I've ever seem

But it still uses a battery ... Did you ever see Raidy's tea light mod?

 

[Exit96]

Looks like I asked a relevant question . This is an awesome forum! Thanks for all the knowledgable replies!

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[jbnuke]

I am organic farmer.
Not nicotine.
Nicotonoids are used in commercial farming. It's not the same thing, and it's thought to be the cause of colony collapse disorder in honey bees.
If you think you can get nicotine from pesticides you are dangerously mistaken.

Ok my bad i was wrong. Lets see where can we get nicotine.... omg it comes from a plant.... that you can grow.... or buy in big pouches... you are missing the point. There will be no vapemageddon because the laws will be quickly worked around. Like has always happened throughout human history.

 

[Rossum]

Ok my bad i was wrong. Lets see where can we get nicotine.... omg it comes from a plant.... that you can grow.... or buy in big pouches... you are missing the point. There will be no vapemageddon because the laws will be quickly worked around. Like has always happened throughout human history.

Tobacco is easy enough (and legal) to grow, that's true. It can also be bought, but the moment it enters commerce, it's subject to ever increasing taxes. And the real catch is that extracting and purifying nicotine to the standards we're used to is rather difficult. That said, I'm confident there will be nic available in the "informal economy", but it will be far more expensive than it is today, and the quality is likely to be questionable. Thus I think a well stocked freezer is a safe investment.

 

[jbnuke]

Tobacco is easy enough (and legal) to grow, that's true. It can also be bought, but the moment it enters commerce, it's subject to ever increasing taxes. And the real catch is that extracting and purifying nicotine to the standards we're used to is rather difficult. That said, I'm confident there will be nic available in the "informal economy", but it will be far more expensive than it is today, and the quality is likely to be questionable. Thus I think a well stocked freezer is a safe investment.

Yeah i hear you there... what i see here seems to be the exact same thing the gun community does when a democrat gets in office.
Omg the sky is falling they gonna come take our guns we got to stockpile!!!!
4 years later... guns still legal and they got more ammo then they will ever use.

 

[Rossum]

Yeah i hear you there... what i see here seems to be the exact same thing the gun community does when a democrat gets in office.
Omg the sky is falling they gonna come take our guns we got to stockpile!!!!
4 years later... guns still legal and they got more ammo then they will ever use.

Yes, there are parallels:

• Buy when it's cheap and stack it deep, then you won't be tempted to pay stupid prices during a panic.
• Better to have and not to need than to need and not to have.
• DIY skills are A Good Thing.

The difference is that vaping isn't explicitly protected in the Constitution and the politicians don't fear that people might start voting from the rooftops if they go too far restricting it.

 

[jbnuke]

It will get taxed... thats about it.

 

[VNeil]

It will get taxed... thats about it.

Just using the rate that Chicago now taxes end user eLiquid, a $50 liter of 100mg nic would be taxed at $550. If the tax on concentrate were modified to tax by the milligram, it works out to around $4,000 - $12,000/liter.

That's about it.

Personally I am putting it away. That way I don't have to forecast the future.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Personally I am putting it away. That way I don't have to forecast the future.

I prepare as well, but I also vote so I can change the future.

 

[VNeil]

I prepare as well, but I also vote so I can change the future.

No you can't. Not by voting. Not by yourself. You need a lot of other people to change the future and it is obvious you don't have enough like minded fellow voters to change much. And in fact, a majority of the voters are probably in favor of treating vaping like cigarettes. A majority of the voters don't smoke or vape and are very happy to see someone else carry the tax burden, and etc.

 

[Bad Ninja]

No you can't. Not by voting. Not by yourself. You need a lot of other people to change the future and it is obvious you don't have enough like minded fellow voters to change much. And in fact, a majority of the voters are probably in favor of treating vaping like cigarettes. A majority of the voters don't smoke or vape and are very happy to see someone else carry the tax burden, and etc.

Speak for yourself. I already have.
I'm very active politics and have affected state and local legislation in my area.
Every vote and voice counts if you actually use it.

 

[VNeil]

Speak for yourself. I already have.
I'm very active politics and have affected state and local legislation in my area.
Every vote and voice counts if you actually use it.

When you keep vaping freely available and taxed fairly (at normal sales tax rates) then send me the memo.

 

[skoony]

Lol
No sir, I am well educated, and fully understand the powers of my government.

You assume something huge will change, granting unlimited lawmaking and enforcement powers to all branches of government? Like a totalitarian society?
Wut?

Do you really not understand how our government works at all?
And you are 60?
Dude...You were taught this in high school.

Thank you for letting me know my 60 year old .... apparently doesn't know anything.
I'll archive that for future reference.
I do not assume the government has unlimited lawmaking and enforcement powers,
yet. As far as e-cigarette are concerned however the FDA has already been granted
authority to regulate them. How they regulate them and how far the regulations will
go is the question. Having perused the leaked PMTA along with other available
literature I have come to the conclusion we are not on a kiddie ride here.
DIY may very well get off lightly compared to the commercial sector.
Then again we may not be so lucky. The PMTA is for manufacturers selling ENDS
however, I am not aware of of any legal clause that would exempt the FDA from
asserting the same strict criteria to DIY. I'm sure they are confident they pretty much
have a greenlight. There has been no serious attempt from Congress to call them
out Other than the bill to change the Grandfather date. That seems to be in limbo.
I myself would advise us vapers to be ready for anything including the possibility
that our precious stockpiles do not become contraband or are restricted to prescribed
quantities for juice. Homemade ENDS may become contraband or be regulated to
the point of requiring manufacturing standards unavailable to the average person.
I am not saying this will happen. I am saying don't be surprised if it does. There is
absolutly nothing saying they can't if that's the route they choose to take.

This for

Is a zip gun exempt from BATF regulation? After all i made it & it's not for sale..

Yes,you can make your own firearms for personal use. There are requirements for lengths
for rifles,minimum barrel and stock.No more than one hand grip for pistols and a few
other things. nothing really prohibitive though.

Regards
Mike