"Vapor Production" - a double-edged sword?

[Roger_Lafayette]

Have you ever noticed that when you see PVDs referenced in the media (or advertised, for that matter) ... what you generally see is an attractive woman, who is exhaling large quantities of vapor?

Do you watch VPLIVE (or other vaper vids) on YouTube? Same deal, right? We vapers simply adore vapor! It's a fact. That's a big part of what makes vaping fun & satisfying, and it may be why so many of us have quit or vastly reduced our use of analogs (YAY!!). It may also explain why nicotine inhalers are so much less effective as HRT (or cessation therapy) - no VG, no vapor!

But the "dark side" may be this ...

1) Undecided non-smokers/non-vapers may view high vapor production with a certain amount of fear/trepidation. What's in that stuff? Could it be dangerous, since it comes from a "e-ciggarette? It's the fear of the unknown (presumably they might not like it, if it came from tobacco burning. But what's the difference? They don't know.)

2) ANTZ have their own form of "vapor production" - except it's a kind of fear production. They stoke the fires of terror with these very same photos.

No advocacy here ... I'm not suggesting that there's anything intrinsically wrong with vapor production, so please don't think otherwise.

I'm merely offering this observation as a request for your thoughts?

 

[LoveVanilla]

Have you ever noticed that when you see PVDs referenced in the media (or advertised, for that matter) ... what you generally see is an attractive woman, who is exhaling large quantities of vapor?

Do you watch VPLIVE (or other vaper vids) on YouTube? Same deal, right? We vapers simply adore vapor! It's a fact.

And some of us just adore women!

 

[likeego]

I agree that vapour production probably has something to do with how fast and successfully people can cut back or stop smoking. It adds a level of satisfaction. You see the vapour and it looks like you are smoking (which is what so many people against us vaping use as an excuse to ban e-cigs) and when you feel like you are still smoking you feel satisfied. I like seeing the vapour. When you use a nicotine inhaler (BTW i have never used one so maybe I'm not right about this) but it doesn't seem like you are doing anything. No vapour. There is no visual stimulation. I also agree with your comment about some people seeing vapour floating around and wondering if it's safe. I hope it is and do believe that it probably carries with it much reduced risk to smoking as there is no combustion, therefore less toxins produced.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

Just a thought ... now that tobacco burners ("smokers") and vapers are clustered together in "smoking areas" ... we may ask what the reaction of people might be, when they pass by?

The average non-smoker/non-vaper is going to smell tobacco smoke. They might not like it.

Most of what they're going to see is vapor.

So as long as the ANTZ are successful in grouping vapers with smokers (in terms if physical proximity) then then uninvolved (non-vaper/non-smoker) will continue to think that vaping = smoking

There are many interesting consequences of this effect - but any vaper who doesn't wish to be viewed, and treated (for all purposes) as a smoker might find it noteworthy. Perhaps even a bit disturbing.

Your thoughts?

 

[xanderxman]

My thought is to vape where smoking is not normal. I do not group myself with smokers when vaping. I stay as far away from that smell as possible. I vape whenever and wherever appropriate. I ask before vaping in a bar/restaurant and 9 times out of 10 I am given the green light. We need to stop acting like what we are doing is wrong and stop grouping ourselves with smokers. There are no government officials herding you into the smoking section.

There is right, wrong and true. You get to decide which you will be.

 

[Topacka]

My thought is to vape where smoking is not normal. I do not group myself with smokers when vaping. I stay as far away from that smell as possible. I vape whenever and wherever appropriate. I ask before vaping in a bar/restaurant and 9 times out of 10 I am given the green light. We need to stop acting like what we are doing is wrong and stop grouping ourselves with smokers. There are no government officials herding you into the smoking section.

There is right, wrong and true. You get to decide which you will be.

This all the way.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

... There are no government officials herding you into the smoking section.

*sigh* ... I wish that were true for all vapers. Thank you for your thoughts.

 

[Nermal]

I used to really miss smoking in restaurants while awaiting my order, and again over the final cup of coffee. For some odd reason, I don't miss that or vaping anymore.

 

[zahzoo]

I don't know... there's very little mainstream media coverage of vaping one way or the other.

I do find that there's a growing trend of seeing people... male or female... blowing huge plumes of vapor in social media and some limited advertising. But I don't see any of this reopening society back into a day when we could vape as smoking was back as recently as the 70's/80's... in offices, stores, banks... heck, even hospitals and doctors offices. Not going to happen.

I just don't see societal norms and acceptance ever back-tracking to a time where this stuff is accepted like it was across the broader spectrum of regular life. It don't matter how safe this stuff is... Times have changed. They won't ever go backwards.

 

[ScottP]

Oh this dead horse again.

 

[zahzoo]

I've considered the up-side to marketing dead horses... Demand isn't an issue. It's production and product placement that's a pain in the rear-end...

 

[jpargana]

Just a thought ... now that tobacco burners ("smokers") and vapers are clustered together in "smoking areas" ... we may ask what the reaction of people might be, when they pass by?

The average non-smoker/non-vaper is going to smell tobacco smoke. They might not like it.

Most of what they're going to see is vapor.

So as long as the ANTZ are successful in grouping vapers with smokers (in terms if physical proximity) then then uninvolved (non-vaper/non-smoker) will continue to think that vaping = smoking

There are many interesting consequences of this effect - but any vaper who doesn't wish to be viewed, and treated (for all purposes) as a smoker might find it noteworthy. Perhaps even a bit disturbing.

Your thoughts?

That's exactly why we should not vape exclusively in smoking areas... because it will only misinform those who are still uninformed... or worse, it will only misinform them further... I've stated this before: the best help we could give ANTZ's is to give, ouselves, the notion that 'e-cigarettes are just another form of tobacco, and should be treated the same'.

Without thinking about it, I actually have a tendency to store my PV away in my pocket, if someone happens to be, or starts, smoking near me. Not that I have anything against smokers (I myself was an avid one, five years ago), but I do not want people to see my vapour, believing it smells like tobacco because of the other guy. On the other hand, I've had non-smoker colleagues first recoiling from my 'smoke', and later stating 'what kind of tobacco is that? I doesn't smell at all'... now, THAT is the message I like non-smoking, uninformed people to understand: it's NOT actually smoke, and therefore it does NOT smell like smoke, and it's waaay safER than 'real' tobacco smoke...

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

I've considered the up-side to marketing dead horses... Demand isn't an issue. It's production and product placement that's a pain in the rear-end...

We should be very concerned that dead horses are being marketed to children. Especially the ones that come in flavors like bubble gum and Cap'n Crunch.

We have spent almost a half-century trying to reduce the consumption of dead horses in this country. And now, they're back again.

Even worse, they're being glamorized by celebreties, at places like the Golden Globe awards.

A 2009 FDA study found that dead horses contain ...(etc.)