My opinion on the labeling of e cigs
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Sometimes facts can cause confusion like that.
The ONLY reason we extract nicotine from tobacco, is purely *economical*.
Because, *tecnically*, there are other sources of nicotine in Nature. The tobacco plant did not "create" nicotine, it just concentrated it in it's leaves - to act as an organic pesticide. Also, tecnically, it would be quite easy to create nicotine in a lab - but it would still be more expensive than just extracting it.
Also, the "tobacco product" classification has long been a gateway for Govt's becoming addicted to excise taxes - with the excuse of "health care expenses", that do not apply on the case of NRT's, and, *as far as we know today*, not on the case of e-cigs too.
Let's take a look at another widespread, legal drug: caffeine.
Is coffe a "coffe product"? Of course. Does it have caffeine? Yes.
Does black tea have caffeine? Yes. But is it a "coffe product"? No. I need tea to make little tea bags, not coffe.
What about decaf? Is it a "coofe product"? Of course. How would I make decaf without coffe? Does it have caffeine? No.
How about Coke or Red Bull? Is it a coffe product? A tea product? A "cottea" product?
I believe that to be classified as a tobacco product, there should be actual tobacco leaves in there, be it cigarettes, chewing tobacco or even Snus. A little nicotine, devoid of WTA's, that may even NOT be in our e-liquids, should not be enough to put our devices under the negative light of "tobacco products" - othewise, "respectacle" Pharma NRT's *should* be placed under that same light too.
Either everything with nicotine is to be classified as "tobacco" (And then we could explain to the laymen that our devices are similar to other "good" tobacco products like NRT's), or nicotine by itself is NOT enough (And then we could explain the laymen that just like NRT's, our devices are NOT tobacco products).
It's the double standards that really grind my gears: "Good" products that have nicotine but could not possibly be "tobacco products", because that would be bad for those product's image, and "bad" products that must be considered "tobacco" by all means - even if they may have NO nicotine at all, and when they do, it's the SAME nicotine one would find on the "good, NON-tobacco" products.
The thing about the "ANTZ" term... they are ZEALOTS. That tells you right there, there isn't a rational bone in any of their bodies -- they're all about CONTROL -- those who persecuted Jews and "heretics" under the auspices of the Inquisition were also zealots, who did evil in the name of their god, who would no doubt be appalled at the whole thing.
To embrace zealotry is to leave rational discourse behind, to insist on your own way, come hell or high water -- control freaks. Like those "upright" goodwives and bible-thumping judges in New England persecuting "witches."If there really had been any witches, too bad they didn't vanish the whole lot of their persecutors... or turn them into frogs!
I'd dearly love to turn all the ANTZ into frogs. Then all you'd hear from them would be "ribbit" instead of all the asinine insanity they currently spew.
Andria
Sometimes the analyzing something to death leads to action and ideas on how to act on issues. I do believe that is how CASAA got started. A bunch of people on this very forum, analyzing something to death. Decided to actually do something.
Thank you.Sometimes the analyzing something to death leads to action and ideas on how to act on issues. I do believe that is how CASAA got started. A bunch of people on this very forum, analyzing something to death. Decided to actually do something.
I'm glad something does come from this.
I come from a small business background and didn't think anything could get done by going off on SO many tangents. I need more patience when dealings with so many others.(that's what my wife says too)
This makes total sense. That is why the Fed will never heed it.
Just to add:
Why am I against this illogical, unreasonable "tobacco product" classification?Because of the slippery slope it provides.
Under the new European TPD, you're not off the hook even if you use non-nicotine liquid.
Why? Because e-cigarettes have been deemed "tobacco products", and an e-cigarette is defined something as (I cannot recall the exact wording) "a device *capable* of vaporizing liquids containing nicotine".
Well, that pretty much covers ALL of them, doesn't it? I have yet to see a device that refuses to fire up when you load nicotine-containing liquid in the atomizer, so... yes. That's all of them.
In Portugal, our health minister is already thinking about restricting cross-border, internet sales of e-cigarettes, since they are "tobacco products" under the new TPD. "Not doing so could permit the entry of non-conforming products with the European TPD in our country", he said.
Just for fun, I checked the Amazon page for pipes. One of them was a beatifully crafted, "father's day special edition", no less!
So, a thirteen-year-old kid could order a pipe from Amazon, using his pre-paid card, to offer it to his daddy (And of course, there's always the possibility of that kid ordering that pipe for *himself*).
And yet, our "gobbermint" has no trouble with that. Because a pipe, a lighter, even roll-your-own paper are not tobacco products.
And because his daddy *will* buy tobacco after being offered that beautiful pipe. Even if the old man was planning to quit smoking in the near future.
On the other hand, a grown-up who made an educated decision to better his life cannot buy a simple device made of steel, copper and delrin, that will help him to *quit smoking*.
And why is that? Because that "quit-aid" device is now considered a "tobacco product" (Oh, the irony!!!) and *some kid* could get is hands on one of those...!
Why am I against this illogical, unreasonable "tobacco product" classification?Because of the slippery slope it provides.
Under the new European TPD, you're not off the hook even if you use non-nicotine liquid.
Why? Because e-cigarettes have been deemed "tobacco products", and an e-cigarette is defined something as (I cannot recall the exact wording) "a device *capable* of vaporizing liquids containing nicotine".
Well, that pretty much covers ALL of them, doesn't it? I have yet to see a device that refuses to fire up when you load nicotine-containing liquid in the atomizer, so... yes. That's all of them.
In Portugal, our health minister is already thinking about restricting cross-border, internet sales of e-cigarettes, since they are "tobacco products" under the new TPD. "Not doing so could permit the entry of non-conforming products with the European TPD in our country", he said.
Just for fun, I checked the Amazon page for pipes. One of them was a beatifully crafted, "father's day special edition", no less!
So, a thirteen-year-old kid could order a pipe from Amazon, using his pre-paid card, to offer it to his daddy (And of course, there's always the possibility of that kid ordering that pipe for *himself*).
And yet, our "gobbermint" has no trouble with that. Because a pipe, a lighter, even roll-your-own paper are not tobacco products.
And because his daddy *will* buy tobacco after being offered that beautiful pipe. Even if the old man was planning to quit smoking in the near future.
On the other hand, a grown-up who made an educated decision to better his life cannot buy a simple device made of steel, copper and delrin, that will help him to *quit smoking*.
And why is that? Because that "quit-aid" device is now considered a "tobacco product" (Oh, the irony!!!) and *some kid* could get is hands on one of those...!
Calling ejuice and ecigs a tobacco product is far, far more than just semantics. The intent is to convince the general public that vaping is just as dangerous as smoking. No more, no less. The (nonsmoking) public has been conditioned to hate smoking and accept things like excise taxes they would never accept in other products such as milk, soda or coffee. And overall behavioral control. Would the general public accept having to stand in a certain corner, outdoors, in winter, in order to drink a cup of coffee? They want that same mindset applied to vaping. Make no mistake, this is far, far more than semantics. This is about propaganda and mind control.
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