First want to thank V4L for giving me the opportunity to test these before the release, and letting me annoy them while in IL with my idiotic presence. To me these are still king diamond batts, always will be. To make it easier on everyone else though will refer to these as VTKD's (Velvet Touch King Diamond) batts though.
Going to first talk about the manuals. The difference between these and the new kd manuals is simple- the new coating. Anyone who has ever used a gen 2 kr808 is familiar with the rubberized coating. The ones on the VTKD's though is a better texture (velvet touch was given to them by Mark sir for a reason), and more durable. In the few weeks of torture testing haven't worn any off yet. Same couldn't be said for a gen 2 batt, or even the king diamonds. Don't think I own a single battery without at least one chip in the paint. Internals are still the same. Cut off is 10.8 second avg. on the ones I've tried, button still just as responsive, airflow just as good, etc. What would be a mordy review without numbers though. Here's my testing done not only with wow cartos at 2.3ohms, but also with cool carts at 3.3ohms. Oh yeah, even have 1.5ohm dual coil tank info on these as well. For wow and cool carts have the optimal voltage range in bold.
Wow cartos at 2.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.17 (9min), 4.15 (18min), 4.12 (27min), 4.07 (36min), 4.06 (45 min), 4.04 (54min), 4.01 (63min), 3.99 (72min), 3.96 (81min), 3.95 (90min), 3.93 (99min), 3.92 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.86 (126 min), 3.84 (135min), 3.71 (144min) after that stopped.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.12 (36min), 4.10 (45 min), 4.09 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.05(81min), 4.02(90min), 4.01 (99min), 4.0 (108min), 3.98 (117min), 3.96 (126 min), 3.92 (135min), 3.91 (144min), 3.89 (153min), 3.87 (162min), 3.86 (171min), 3.85 (180min), 3.83 (189min), 3.72 (198min), and stopped.
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.18 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.10 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.07 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.04 (90min), 4.02 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 4.01 (117min), 4.0 (126min), 4.0 (135min), 4.0 (144min), 3.98 (153min), 3.97 (162min), 3.96 (171min), 3.94 (180min), 3.92 (189min), 3.91 (198min), 3.91 (207min), 3.89 (216min), 3.87 (225min), 3.86 (234min), 3.85 (243min), 3.85 (252min), 3.84 (261min), 3.81 (270min), 3.72 (279min),
and stopped.
Cool carts at 3.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.16 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.08 (45 min), 4.07 (54min), 4.05 (63min), 4.03 (72min), 4.02(81min), 4.0(90min), 3.98 (99min), 3.96 (108min), 3.94 (117min), 3.92 (126 min), 3.9 (135min), 3.89 (144min), 3.88 (153min), 3.86 (162min), 3.81 (171min), 3.73 (180min), and stopped.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.18 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.06 (63min), 4.05 (72min), 4.04 (81min), 4.02 (90min), 4.01 (99min), 4.0 (108min), 3.99 (117min), 3.97 (126min), 3.96 (135min), 3.94 (144min), 3.93 (153min), 3.93 (162min), 3.92 (171min), 3.91 (180min), 3.9 (189min), 3.89 (198min), 3.87 (207min), 3.86 (216min), 3.84 (225min), 3.81 (234min), 3.71 (252min), and stopped.
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.15 (45min), 4.14 (54min), 4.13 (63min), 4.12 (72min), 4.10 (81min), 4.09 (90min), 4.08 (99min), 4.07 (108min), 4.06 (117min), 4.05 (126min), 4.04 (135min), 4.03 (144min), 4.01 (153min), 4.0 (162min), 3.99 (171min), 3.99 (180min), 3.98 (189min), 3.98 (198min), 3.97 (207min), 3.96 (216min), 3.95 (225min), 3.94 (234min), 3.94 (243min), 3.93 (252min), 3.92 (261min), 3.91 (270min), 3.91 (279min), 3.89 (288min), 3.87 (297min), 3.86 (306min), 3.85 (315min), 3.84 (324min), 3.81 (333min), 3.76 (342min), and stopped.
Tanks with 1.5ohm dual coils-
*Optimal voltage on a 1.5ohm dual coil is 4.2-3.7v, the bold above no longer applies
Shorty- 3.95v (at start), 3.9v (9min), 3.86v (18min), 3.84v (27min), 3.76v (36min), 3.72v (45min), stopped there.
Regular- 4.08v (at start), 4.02v (9 min), 3.97v (18min), 3.93v (27min), 3.91v (36min), 3.88v (45 min), 3.86v (54min), 3.84v (63 min), 3.81v (72min), 3.79v (81 min), 3.76v (90 min), 3.71v (99 min), stopped there.
XL- 4.11v (at start), 4.08v (9min), 4.05v (18 min), 4.02v (27min), 3.99v (36min), 3.96v (45min), 3.94v (54min), 3.91v (63min), 3.88v (72min), 3.86v (81min), 3.83v (90min), 3.81v (99 min), 3.78v (108min), 3.75v (117min), 3.72v (126min), stopped there.
Now on to the part most have been waiting for I believe. The autos have changed. Another item gen 2 users have come to know is what has been referred to as a "sealed" auto. No auto is truly sealed, if they were they wouldn't work. They are leak resistant. The center hole in the post has been removed, instead the holes now reside on the outside of the post. Smilin sir dared me to try and kill one of these with juice, was I successful, yes. Was it easy, no. Took a badly over filled carto to do it, and left it leaking while I vaped. A small overfill will not be as big of an issue. Something that must be noted though is it's very important to make sure the post is clear of all juice before charging. Have talked before about how juice and chargers don't mix, this applies heavily to these batts. If juice gets caught in the air slot on the top of the post, then drips down in the charger you can easily make a bridge between the positive and negative terminals of the battery and charger killing both. Just wipe the post off before charging folks, a very easy task.
On gen 2 batts, "sealed" autos have exceptionally tight draws. They hit like a gen 2 manual, which might be the tightest draw period when it comes to ecigs. This is not the case with these. On the mordy scale where a king diamond (unsealed) shorty is 11, the xl ranks at an 8-8.5 (same as it's unsealed counterpart), regular an 8.5-9 (same again), and 10 on the shorty. The shorty in other words is the only one that suffered in airflow terms, but not by much, and it wasn't unexpected. Major credit should be given to everyone who had a hand in this at V4L. The biggest fear when trying these would be the draw would suffer, happy to say that is not the case.
One more note before the voltage testing, these batteries are back the same size as the current king diamond autos. As the numbers will show soon they perform very much like the king diamond autos run time wise, only one change has come into play. All the ones I've tested on load come off at 4.194v just like the manuals. Have yet to take one apart and see if the cells are a different size than the manuals, but logic and numbers say they are, but looks like the ic logic from the manuals has been used on these batts.
Wow at 2.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min in), 4.17 (18min), 4.14 (27min), 4.13 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.07 (54min), 4.05 (63min), 4.03 (72min), 4.01 (81min), 3.99 (90min), 3.96 (99min), 3.94 (108min), 3.91 (117min), 3.86 (126min), 3.74 (135min), stopped there.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.13 (45 min), 4.10 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.07 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.02 (90min), 3.98 (99min), 3.96 (108min), 3.93 (117min), 3.91 (126 min), 3.89 (135min), 3.86 (144min), 3.85 (153min), 3.82 (162min), 3.76 (171min), 3.73 (180min), stopped there
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.13 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.10 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.03 (90min), 4.02 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.99 (117min), 3.97 (126min), 3.97 (135min), 3.96 (144min), 3.95 (153min), 3.93 (162min), 3.92 (171min), 3.91 (180min), 3.9 (189min), 3.88 (198min), 3.86 (207min), 3.85 (216min), 3.83 (225min), 3.79 (234min), 3.73 (243min), stopped there
Cool carts at 3.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.13 (45min), 4.11 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.07 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.04 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 4.0 (117min), 3.98 (126min), 3.96 (135min), 3.94 (144min), 3.89 (153min), 3.84 (162min), 3.72 (171min), stopped there.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.13 (45 min), 4.11 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.06 (81min), 4.05 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.99 (117min), 3.97 (126 min), 3.95 (135min), 3.91 (144min), 3.88 (153min), 3.86 (162min), 3.84 (171min), 3.82 (180min), 3.8 (189min), 3.76 (198min), 3.71 (207min), stopped there
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.18 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.14 (45min), 4.13 (54min), 4.11 (63min), 4.09 (72min), 4.08 (81min), 4.06 (90min), 4.05 (99min), 4.03 (108min), 4.02 (117min), 4.01 (126min), 4.0 (135min), 3.99 (144min), 3.98 (153min), 3.96 (162min), 3.95 (171min), 3.93 (180min), 3.92 (189min), 3.90 (198min), 3.88 (207min), 3.87 (216min), 3.86 (225min), 3.85 (234min), 3.85 (243min), 3.83 (252min), 3.81 (261min), 3.79 (270min), 3.75 (279min), 3.72 (288min), stopped there.
There are no numbers for the 1.5ohm tanks. The simple reason for this is they will not fire them. They will fire the 2.0ohm cartos for the tanks all the way down to 1.8ohms (lowest they come in), just not the 1.4-1.6ohm dual coils. The old autos would, but they also had a different ic than these it seems from the test results. To some this will be the only negative in the long list of positives for the VTKD's. The fact you no longer have to worry as much about an overfill on a carto though, or a leak from the tank when using the higher ohm'ed single coil carto in it, far outweighs this lone negative.
Going to first talk about the manuals. The difference between these and the new kd manuals is simple- the new coating. Anyone who has ever used a gen 2 kr808 is familiar with the rubberized coating. The ones on the VTKD's though is a better texture (velvet touch was given to them by Mark sir for a reason), and more durable. In the few weeks of torture testing haven't worn any off yet. Same couldn't be said for a gen 2 batt, or even the king diamonds. Don't think I own a single battery without at least one chip in the paint. Internals are still the same. Cut off is 10.8 second avg. on the ones I've tried, button still just as responsive, airflow just as good, etc. What would be a mordy review without numbers though. Here's my testing done not only with wow cartos at 2.3ohms, but also with cool carts at 3.3ohms. Oh yeah, even have 1.5ohm dual coil tank info on these as well. For wow and cool carts have the optimal voltage range in bold.
Wow cartos at 2.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.17 (9min), 4.15 (18min), 4.12 (27min), 4.07 (36min), 4.06 (45 min), 4.04 (54min), 4.01 (63min), 3.99 (72min), 3.96 (81min), 3.95 (90min), 3.93 (99min), 3.92 (108min), 3.87 (117min), 3.86 (126 min), 3.84 (135min), 3.71 (144min) after that stopped.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.12 (36min), 4.10 (45 min), 4.09 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.05(81min), 4.02(90min), 4.01 (99min), 4.0 (108min), 3.98 (117min), 3.96 (126 min), 3.92 (135min), 3.91 (144min), 3.89 (153min), 3.87 (162min), 3.86 (171min), 3.85 (180min), 3.83 (189min), 3.72 (198min), and stopped.
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.18 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.10 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.07 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.04 (90min), 4.02 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 4.01 (117min), 4.0 (126min), 4.0 (135min), 4.0 (144min), 3.98 (153min), 3.97 (162min), 3.96 (171min), 3.94 (180min), 3.92 (189min), 3.91 (198min), 3.91 (207min), 3.89 (216min), 3.87 (225min), 3.86 (234min), 3.85 (243min), 3.85 (252min), 3.84 (261min), 3.81 (270min), 3.72 (279min),
and stopped.
Cool carts at 3.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.16 (18min), 4.13 (27min), 4.10 (36min), 4.08 (45 min), 4.07 (54min), 4.05 (63min), 4.03 (72min), 4.02(81min), 4.0(90min), 3.98 (99min), 3.96 (108min), 3.94 (117min), 3.92 (126 min), 3.9 (135min), 3.89 (144min), 3.88 (153min), 3.86 (162min), 3.81 (171min), 3.73 (180min), and stopped.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.18 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.09 (54min), 4.06 (63min), 4.05 (72min), 4.04 (81min), 4.02 (90min), 4.01 (99min), 4.0 (108min), 3.99 (117min), 3.97 (126min), 3.96 (135min), 3.94 (144min), 3.93 (153min), 3.93 (162min), 3.92 (171min), 3.91 (180min), 3.9 (189min), 3.89 (198min), 3.87 (207min), 3.86 (216min), 3.84 (225min), 3.81 (234min), 3.71 (252min), and stopped.
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.19 (18min), 4.18 (27min), 4.16 (36min), 4.15 (45min), 4.14 (54min), 4.13 (63min), 4.12 (72min), 4.10 (81min), 4.09 (90min), 4.08 (99min), 4.07 (108min), 4.06 (117min), 4.05 (126min), 4.04 (135min), 4.03 (144min), 4.01 (153min), 4.0 (162min), 3.99 (171min), 3.99 (180min), 3.98 (189min), 3.98 (198min), 3.97 (207min), 3.96 (216min), 3.95 (225min), 3.94 (234min), 3.94 (243min), 3.93 (252min), 3.92 (261min), 3.91 (270min), 3.91 (279min), 3.89 (288min), 3.87 (297min), 3.86 (306min), 3.85 (315min), 3.84 (324min), 3.81 (333min), 3.76 (342min), and stopped.
Tanks with 1.5ohm dual coils-
*Optimal voltage on a 1.5ohm dual coil is 4.2-3.7v, the bold above no longer applies
Shorty- 3.95v (at start), 3.9v (9min), 3.86v (18min), 3.84v (27min), 3.76v (36min), 3.72v (45min), stopped there.
Regular- 4.08v (at start), 4.02v (9 min), 3.97v (18min), 3.93v (27min), 3.91v (36min), 3.88v (45 min), 3.86v (54min), 3.84v (63 min), 3.81v (72min), 3.79v (81 min), 3.76v (90 min), 3.71v (99 min), stopped there.
XL- 4.11v (at start), 4.08v (9min), 4.05v (18 min), 4.02v (27min), 3.99v (36min), 3.96v (45min), 3.94v (54min), 3.91v (63min), 3.88v (72min), 3.86v (81min), 3.83v (90min), 3.81v (99 min), 3.78v (108min), 3.75v (117min), 3.72v (126min), stopped there.
Now on to the part most have been waiting for I believe. The autos have changed. Another item gen 2 users have come to know is what has been referred to as a "sealed" auto. No auto is truly sealed, if they were they wouldn't work. They are leak resistant. The center hole in the post has been removed, instead the holes now reside on the outside of the post. Smilin sir dared me to try and kill one of these with juice, was I successful, yes. Was it easy, no. Took a badly over filled carto to do it, and left it leaking while I vaped. A small overfill will not be as big of an issue. Something that must be noted though is it's very important to make sure the post is clear of all juice before charging. Have talked before about how juice and chargers don't mix, this applies heavily to these batts. If juice gets caught in the air slot on the top of the post, then drips down in the charger you can easily make a bridge between the positive and negative terminals of the battery and charger killing both. Just wipe the post off before charging folks, a very easy task.
On gen 2 batts, "sealed" autos have exceptionally tight draws. They hit like a gen 2 manual, which might be the tightest draw period when it comes to ecigs. This is not the case with these. On the mordy scale where a king diamond (unsealed) shorty is 11, the xl ranks at an 8-8.5 (same as it's unsealed counterpart), regular an 8.5-9 (same again), and 10 on the shorty. The shorty in other words is the only one that suffered in airflow terms, but not by much, and it wasn't unexpected. Major credit should be given to everyone who had a hand in this at V4L. The biggest fear when trying these would be the draw would suffer, happy to say that is not the case.
One more note before the voltage testing, these batteries are back the same size as the current king diamond autos. As the numbers will show soon they perform very much like the king diamond autos run time wise, only one change has come into play. All the ones I've tested on load come off at 4.194v just like the manuals. Have yet to take one apart and see if the cells are a different size than the manuals, but logic and numbers say they are, but looks like the ic logic from the manuals has been used on these batts.
Wow at 2.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min in), 4.17 (18min), 4.14 (27min), 4.13 (36min), 4.11 (45min), 4.07 (54min), 4.05 (63min), 4.03 (72min), 4.01 (81min), 3.99 (90min), 3.96 (99min), 3.94 (108min), 3.91 (117min), 3.86 (126min), 3.74 (135min), stopped there.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.13 (45 min), 4.10 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.07 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.02 (90min), 3.98 (99min), 3.96 (108min), 3.93 (117min), 3.91 (126 min), 3.89 (135min), 3.86 (144min), 3.85 (153min), 3.82 (162min), 3.76 (171min), 3.73 (180min), stopped there
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.13 (36min), 4.12 (45min), 4.10 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.03 (90min), 4.02 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.99 (117min), 3.97 (126min), 3.97 (135min), 3.96 (144min), 3.95 (153min), 3.93 (162min), 3.92 (171min), 3.91 (180min), 3.9 (189min), 3.88 (198min), 3.86 (207min), 3.85 (216min), 3.83 (225min), 3.79 (234min), 3.73 (243min), stopped there
Cool carts at 3.3ohms-
Shorty- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.15 (27min), 4.14 (36min), 4.13 (45min), 4.11 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.07 (72min), 4.05 (81min), 4.04 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 4.0 (117min), 3.98 (126min), 3.96 (135min), 3.94 (144min), 3.89 (153min), 3.84 (162min), 3.72 (171min), stopped there.
Regular- 4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.13 (45 min), 4.11 (54min), 4.09 (63min), 4.08 (72min), 4.06 (81min), 4.05 (90min), 4.03 (99min), 4.01 (108min), 3.99 (117min), 3.97 (126 min), 3.95 (135min), 3.91 (144min), 3.88 (153min), 3.86 (162min), 3.84 (171min), 3.82 (180min), 3.8 (189min), 3.76 (198min), 3.71 (207min), stopped there
XL- 4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.18 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.14 (45min), 4.13 (54min), 4.11 (63min), 4.09 (72min), 4.08 (81min), 4.06 (90min), 4.05 (99min), 4.03 (108min), 4.02 (117min), 4.01 (126min), 4.0 (135min), 3.99 (144min), 3.98 (153min), 3.96 (162min), 3.95 (171min), 3.93 (180min), 3.92 (189min), 3.90 (198min), 3.88 (207min), 3.87 (216min), 3.86 (225min), 3.85 (234min), 3.85 (243min), 3.83 (252min), 3.81 (261min), 3.79 (270min), 3.75 (279min), 3.72 (288min), stopped there.
There are no numbers for the 1.5ohm tanks. The simple reason for this is they will not fire them. They will fire the 2.0ohm cartos for the tanks all the way down to 1.8ohms (lowest they come in), just not the 1.4-1.6ohm dual coils. The old autos would, but they also had a different ic than these it seems from the test results. To some this will be the only negative in the long list of positives for the VTKD's. The fact you no longer have to worry as much about an overfill on a carto though, or a leak from the tank when using the higher ohm'ed single coil carto in it, far outweighs this lone negative.
but you did answer some important questions for me.
