I am about to buy some flavors from the Vapor Zone website and I was wondering if there are any I should be worried about (like non water soluble or harmful ingredients)? If not any flavor suggestions?
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No, they are fine for DIY. I would suggest trying the SC Gourmet at 1-2%. Very yummy flavors IMO 
If you mean vaping Zone...yes, there are harmful chemicals. The SC Gourmet line has MANY flavors that contain diacetyl - and this information is freely available, yet vaping Zone continues to NOT disclose this to buyers. No one seems to be able to find out the source of the SC line - but if VZ doesn't disclose it in their SC Gourmet line...?...then at the very least, we can't assume they'll disclose it in any 'line' they sell.
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The use or non use of the trace amounts of diacetyl that are in some flavorings is a personal choice to use or not use
There are not many vendors out there that do disclose the info because most of them don't know themselves. There is more diacetyl in cigs than you would ever get from adding a flavoring with trace amounts to your liquid.
Good luck!
ETA- Using 1 drop per 2 ml of these particular flavors means that even if you did have flavoring with some diacetyl in it, the amount that you would end up with in your mixes would be extremely tiny. Just food for thought
There are not many vendors out there that do disclose the info because most of them don't know themselves. There is more diacetyl in cigs than you would ever get from adding a flavoring with trace amounts to your liquid.
Good luck!
ETA- Using 1 drop per 2 ml of these particular flavors means that even if you did have flavoring with some diacetyl in it, the amount that you would end up with in your mixes would be extremely tiny. Just food for thought
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The diacetyl replacements have not proven to be less harmful. Anything custard is questionable including some very expensive and popular premium vapes.
Vaping Zone doesn't even list flavor descriptions so if someone wants to know about 'wild strawberries' or 'strawberries' they are going to have to look up the info elsewhere anyway. The fact that they can fairly easily is a bonus IMO and a lot better than other flavors including some that won't even disclose to me if they are PG based or not.
The lack of transparency in flavors is a huge pet peeve of mine and that's why I choose to DIY. There's a ton of premium eliquids that are using diacetyl containing elements (natural or not) with no notice or misleading claims to customers. It really ticks me off. I feel a lot better about Bakers at 1%-2% than some unknown at 10%-20%. Just try to pry out information after having a reaction with some of the others. Diacetyl is not the only additive known to cause health problems. Cinnamon, sweetners, triacetin, even polycarbonate tanks are known to leech BPA without fogging or cracking required.
All anyone can do is make the best choice with the most information they have at the time. If they want to vape safe, they should vape unflavored. All flavors are an experiment. This is harm reduction and a whole lot safer than smoking. It's not 100% safe.
I'll go with a flavor that has the guts to disclose what they use in what and at low amounts. That's my choice.
Vaping Zone doesn't even list flavor descriptions so if someone wants to know about 'wild strawberries' or 'strawberries' they are going to have to look up the info elsewhere anyway. The fact that they can fairly easily is a bonus IMO and a lot better than other flavors including some that won't even disclose to me if they are PG based or not.
The lack of transparency in flavors is a huge pet peeve of mine and that's why I choose to DIY. There's a ton of premium eliquids that are using diacetyl containing elements (natural or not) with no notice or misleading claims to customers. It really ticks me off. I feel a lot better about Bakers at 1%-2% than some unknown at 10%-20%. Just try to pry out information after having a reaction with some of the others. Diacetyl is not the only additive known to cause health problems. Cinnamon, sweetners, triacetin, even polycarbonate tanks are known to leech BPA without fogging or cracking required.
All anyone can do is make the best choice with the most information they have at the time. If they want to vape safe, they should vape unflavored. All flavors are an experiment. This is harm reduction and a whole lot safer than smoking. It's not 100% safe.
I'll go with a flavor that has the guts to disclose what they use in what and at low amounts. That's my choice.
There's about 4 threads discussing various Vaping Zones flavor lines. It would be hard to duplicate it all here. There's a wealth of knowledge in the threads whether you choose to use the flavors or not.
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I agree with SC-Blackberry. I was using a Blackberry from a different flavoring vendor and decided to try the VZ SC and was blown away. This stuff has the taste, smell and the body of blackberries.
Of course, 'totally agree - it's always a personal choice. The OP asked
We tried (quite a few) of the VZ Gourmet line at recommended percentages, and both my hubby & myself experienced (albeit slight) throat & lung irritation from the ones with 'creamy flavor' - and believe it was mostly-likely caused from the diacetyl.
It's your personal choice to believe otherwise - no problem there. That's why forums like ECF are so great - everyone can share their own personal choices, opinions & knowledge.
Regarding this:
This may indeed, be true (we don't know as we haven't researched them all). We know there are several vendors that do take the time to research what they sell, disclose that information, and appear to care very much about providing buyers with the ability to make an 'informed decision' (as well as caring about the freedom of the vaping community). As well they should...
It is our (very firm) opinion that in an industry already threatened by legal authorities that are drooling to step in, regulate and take over the entire shebang - the need to self-regulate is HUGE. "They" are already claiming nonsense about the 'tasty flavors' causing e-cigs to be a 'gateway drug' to smoking. Can't you just see the vultures swarming over media stories with headlines like this: "E-Cig Flavor Vendors Sell Diacetyl-laced Flavor Liquids to Unknowing Users" or "Regulation Is Essential to Stop E-Cig Users From Inhaling Diacetyl" or "Underage Users of E-cigs Using Candy/Cream Flavors at Risk from Unscrupulous Vendors".
Sheesh, we've all seen how they've associated the various tasty flavors with inducing children/minors to start vaping - they'd have a field day with vendors not disclosing diacetyl. Just like all of their other attacks, it doesn't have to be true - it just has to work for them!
If the e-cig community doesn't want to be controlled & regulated, then the e-cig community (vendors that make their living off it and users alike), MUST self regulate! And even that might not be enough to stop the vultures from being vultures. Vendors of ANY liquid intended for use in e-cigs have the responsibility (at the very minimum) to know what chemicals are in their products and inform their buyers of the same. And we as buyers have the responsibility to 'Make It So'. Somebody has to do it, or "they" surely will. We're all 'somebody'.
We saw that from a completely different perspective....it showed us how 'out of hand' the defense of inhaling diacetyl has become!
This article shows that without constant daily inhalation of airborn diacetyl 8 hours a day 5 days a week in a factory, one person actually developed popcorn lung from breathing in the (incredibly non-concentrated) airborn diacetyl molecules from only TWO bags of microwave popcorn nightly for 10 years!
The article says: Over a ten year period, he ate two bags of buttered popcorn every night, inhaling the bags as they came out hot from the microwave. We all know that a bag of microwave popcorn must be opened & 'air out' a bit before it's cool enough to handle - and that this man probably didn't cup his hands around the bag, put it into his mouth, and inhale it directly into his lungs.
But vapers (most all with some level of existing lung compromise due to smoking) are inhaling diacetyl DIRECTLY into their lungs (mixed with nicotine, vg/pg and other chemicals with unknown vaping risks)...not for 40 hours a week or 'two bags of popcorn worth', but for up 12-16 hours a day. And yet just breathing in the buttery fumes (that are seriously diluted by 'air') for "x minutes daily" for 10 years is documented to cause popcorn lung!
We're not trying to be "fear mongers" here. We know it IS possible that the small amounts of diacetyl found in flavorings may not have the potential to cause a life-destroying disease. But to our knowledge, there is no information that clearly states the exact amount of diacetyl (or related compounds) in any DIY flavoring. And we know that direct inhalation of anything into the lungs is VERY different from breathing in anything 'normally'.
Personal choice is what it's all about - and sharing perspectives & knowledge on both sides of the issue is what helps us all to make a choice we can live with.
, and it's our opinion that diacetyl in any amount can be harmful when inhaled.
We tried (quite a few) of the VZ Gourmet line at recommended percentages, and both my hubby & myself experienced (albeit slight) throat & lung irritation from the ones with 'creamy flavor' - and believe it was mostly-likely caused from the diacetyl.
It's your personal choice to believe otherwise - no problem there. That's why forums like ECF are so great - everyone can share their own personal choices, opinions & knowledge.
Regarding this:
...we've never seen data that supports this - but we'd love to see some if you don't mind sharing.
This may indeed, be true (we don't know as we haven't researched them all). We know there are several vendors that do take the time to research what they sell, disclose that information, and appear to care very much about providing buyers with the ability to make an 'informed decision' (as well as caring about the freedom of the vaping community). As well they should...
It is our (very firm) opinion that in an industry already threatened by legal authorities that are drooling to step in, regulate and take over the entire shebang - the need to self-regulate is HUGE. "They" are already claiming nonsense about the 'tasty flavors' causing e-cigs to be a 'gateway drug' to smoking. Can't you just see the vultures swarming over media stories with headlines like this: "E-Cig Flavor Vendors Sell Diacetyl-laced Flavor Liquids to Unknowing Users" or "Regulation Is Essential to Stop E-Cig Users From Inhaling Diacetyl" or "Underage Users of E-cigs Using Candy/Cream Flavors at Risk from Unscrupulous Vendors".
Sheesh, we've all seen how they've associated the various tasty flavors with inducing children/minors to start vaping - they'd have a field day with vendors not disclosing diacetyl. Just like all of their other attacks, it doesn't have to be true - it just has to work for them!
If the e-cig community doesn't want to be controlled & regulated, then the e-cig community (vendors that make their living off it and users alike), MUST self regulate! And even that might not be enough to stop the vultures from being vultures. Vendors of ANY liquid intended for use in e-cigs have the responsibility (at the very minimum) to know what chemicals are in their products and inform their buyers of the same. And we as buyers have the responsibility to 'Make It So'. Somebody has to do it, or "they" surely will. We're all 'somebody'.
We saw that from a completely different perspective....it showed us how 'out of hand' the defense of inhaling diacetyl has become!
This article shows that without constant daily inhalation of airborn diacetyl 8 hours a day 5 days a week in a factory, one person actually developed popcorn lung from breathing in the (incredibly non-concentrated) airborn diacetyl molecules from only TWO bags of microwave popcorn nightly for 10 years!
The article says: Over a ten year period, he ate two bags of buttered popcorn every night, inhaling the bags as they came out hot from the microwave. We all know that a bag of microwave popcorn must be opened & 'air out' a bit before it's cool enough to handle - and that this man probably didn't cup his hands around the bag, put it into his mouth, and inhale it directly into his lungs.
But vapers (most all with some level of existing lung compromise due to smoking) are inhaling diacetyl DIRECTLY into their lungs (mixed with nicotine, vg/pg and other chemicals with unknown vaping risks)...not for 40 hours a week or 'two bags of popcorn worth', but for up 12-16 hours a day. And yet just breathing in the buttery fumes (that are seriously diluted by 'air') for "x minutes daily" for 10 years is documented to cause popcorn lung!
We're not trying to be "fear mongers" here. We know it IS possible that the small amounts of diacetyl found in flavorings may not have the potential to cause a life-destroying disease. But to our knowledge, there is no information that clearly states the exact amount of diacetyl (or related compounds) in any DIY flavoring. And we know that direct inhalation of anything into the lungs is VERY different from breathing in anything 'normally'.
Personal choice is what it's all about - and sharing perspectives & knowledge on both sides of the issue is what helps us all to make a choice we can live with.
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