variable voltage...can't get into it!!!!!

[Joie]

I have several units.....but one is an EGO-twist and I can't seem to use anything except lowest setting on any of my juices.....they taste terrible if I turn up the heat even a little.....am I missing something? I just don't get it.
Butterscotch especially....even a small increase makes. it taste burnt.....and forget about turning up the tobacco flavor....yuk
What is up with this?

 

[-db-]

If you are using low resistance coils (1.5-1.8ohm), and your coil is clean/fresh, you will rarely need to use more than 3.2-3.4v. The variable voltage, in my experience is most useful (if not required!) when using higher resistance (2.0+) coils...or when a low res coil starts to get gunked up...or when you just want a bit more "kick" from a given juice. I've noticed that some juices, especially thicker juices that don't wick so well, are very sensitive to increased voltages, resulting in a burnt/off flavor.

 

[TrueV]

It is your atomizer, clearomizer, or cartomizer. What ever you are using doesn't have enough ohms (resistance). With the right clearomizer you will get more vapor with a slightly higher voltage. It is a trial and error process.

 

[TrueV]

db's answer is better than mine. Has more detail.

 

[Joie]

using an vision clearomizer....short wick.....think it is 1.8 not sure ....it's brand new but bought 6 months ago. not bad at all on lowest setting.

 

[sgenn99]

Try a standard res single coil cartomizer, either in a tank or as is. Yoi should be able to mess around with the voltage

 

[flintlock62]

The 1.8Ω coil is why you can use in only on the lowest setting. If you purchased 3.0Ω coils, you will be able to dial it up over 4 volts.

using an vision clearomizer....short wick.....think it is 1.8 not sure ....it's brand new but bought 6 months ago. not bad at all on lowest setting.

 

[Joie]

aahhhh ok will experiment.
does the flavor improve on all juices at higher level.....is that why there is a voltage changing device?
can you give some examples?

 

[darkhood]

double the ohms and subtract or add 0.2 to get the ideal voltage for yer device. 2ohm atty = 3.8 to 4.2 volts ideal range.

 

[cardenio]

Also consider that clearomizers taste burnt to a lot of people at any kind of voltage, a carto tank would definitely not give off a burned taste if wicked. Also i feel like an Ego-C Twist is a really poor example of all variable volts has to offer. An affordable way to test the waters could be a Vamo V2 which is like 50$ and uses replaceable batteries

 

[Baditude]

aahhhh ok will experiment.
does the flavor improve on all juices at higher level.....is that why there is a voltage changing device?
can you give some examples?

I use a 2.5 - 3.0 ohm cartomizer for my variable voltage battery. That allows me to use voltages from 3.4 volts up to 5 volts easily.

For fruit flavors I find the lower range of voltage best (3.4= 3.7). For my coffee flavors, I like it between 4.0 - 4.6 volts. For a couple of my cinnamon flavors I can use anywhere from 4.5 - 5 volts best. Each flavor can have a "sweet spot". Any particular flavor might be different for you than me as far as what we individually prefer.

 

[Jerms]

aahhhh ok will experiment.
does the flavor improve on all juices at higher level.....is that why there is a voltage changing device?
can you give some examples?

There is some change in flavor at different watts. More important, your VV allows you to use different devices with different ohms and dial in how many volts works best. I dial in my power level more to get the throat hit and vapor I want without burning the juice more than anything. With a battery that has a fixed voltage of 3.7 volts, you wouldn't be able to go down to 3.2 volts if it was burning the juice.

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[NoMoreTequila]

The Joye Twist is an inexpensive, intelligent entry to variable voltage. It's not perfect of course. If your eyes have aged like mine, you might consider marking where 4 volts line up with a paint Sharpie.
Of course with 1.5ohm devices you would stay at the low end and 3ohm and above you would set it on the high end. My two Twists read .1ohm different on my multi-meter and I'm sure there are other extreme examples.
Variable wattage is the future Now. Or pay for a Provarie and do the math.

 

[Joie]

I guess I have a lot to learn. would like to buy a good vv device but don't want to put out 200.00 to go high end. Maybe at a meet I can try one and see what I think first. We have vape feast in Chicago next month.....but again that is another. 4-5 weeks away...darn..

 

[flintlock62]

You can get a eGo Twist, or a Vision Spinner to try vv. If you like it, and want to continue vaping, then go for the $200 range mod's.

I guess I have a lot to learn. would like to buy a good vv device but don't want to put out 200.00 to go high end. Maybe at a meet I can try one and see what I think first. We have vape feast in Chicago next month.....but again that is another. 4-5 weeks away...darn..

 

[xjonquilx]

I guess I have a lot to learn. would like to buy a good vv device but don't want to put out 200.00 to go high end. Maybe at a meet I can try one and see what I think first. We have vape feast in Chicago next month.....but again that is another. 4-5 weeks away...darn..

Most VV/APV devices don't cost more than around $100. Even the evic, which is an VV APV with essentially its own computer inside, is only $130. I would recommend trying the Vamo or the VariVolt first just to see if you like VV devices. The Vamo is also capable of changing watts, which personally I like a lot better than changing the volts. When you change watts the volts automatically adjust to whatever you've got attached with out you having to change any settings. Both have kits available under $100. If you purchase one of those but find you would like more options on your settings and/or more display options, move on to the Vape-Pro (which is $100 body only and takes the same batteries as the Vamo & VariVolt, so you would really only need to purchase the body and not the kit with the expensive Odyssey tank system). If you think you would like to know and adjust/control things like your daily puff count and be able to connect your device to a computer to get stats, try going the Evic/Provari route.

Oh, another feature on APVs with VV that is worth mentioning is gradual power. The lower end ones don't have it, but some of the higher end ones do (I know for sure the Vape-Pro does, dunno about the Evic/Provari). In this mode the device will slowly raise power when you press the button to vape, and slowly decrease it when you let go. This creates (to me) a much more "natural" vaping experience than the instant on power most devices feature.

 

[fourthrok]

Oh, another feature on APVs with VV that is worth mentioning is gradual power. The lower end ones don't have it, but some of the higher end ones do (I know for sure the Vape-Pro does, dunno about the Evic/Provari). In this mode the device will slowly raise power when you press the button to vape, and slowly decrease it when you let go. This creates (to me) a much more "natural" vaping experience than the instant on power most devices feature.

I think xjonquilx is talking about "PWM" or Pulse Width Modulator. This really does wonders for the "hit" on a PV, and I've gotten "hooked" on having it since someone gave me a VV Gripper. Before that, I didn't see much sense to the VV stuff because I was only using the Twist and the kGo VV. With those for my VV devices..no wonder I'd just as soon keep using my mechanicals and fixed voltage APVS. No comparison between those and a VV with PWM. It's a different experience.

Lots of reasonably priced VV APVs have the PWM. The VV Gripper at MV is certainly one choice, and you'd be surprised how nice the "box style" mod is to hold. There are others like the Zmax and I presume the VAMO and others. You don't even have to pay $100 to get a kit with most of them...and a big advantage to APVs with removable batteries is that you can just replace batteries when they wear out and not have to toss the whole device when it croaks.

Oh yeah...and db and others are right. You are using too low an ohm atomizer for a VV device. The MINIMUM to get a decent vape with VV is 2ohm...and that's very limiting as you can't really go over 3.2v or 3.4v max without burning. Best to go for 2.5 ohm or better yet 3ohm (standard) ..that will let you use pretty much a full range with your VV so you can find the "sweet spot".

 

[Uncle Sam]

Oh, another feature on APVs with VV that is worth mentioning is gradual power. The lower end ones don't have it, but some of the higher end ones do (I know for sure the Vape-Pro does, dunno about the Evic/Provari). In this mode the device will slowly raise power when you press the button to vape, and slowly decrease it when you let go. This creates (to me) a much more "natural" vaping experience than the instant on power most devices feature.

All static devices will experience this phenomenon to some degree. As the heating coil gets hotter, the internal resistance is lowered resulting in an increased wattage and thus, heat. A device that can enhance this to more closely align with a natural burning tobacco cigarette is cool indeed.

VAPE ON!!

 

[xjonquilx]

P.S. Ocean Vapor has the cheapest Vamo kit. $52 total incl. the cheapest shipping, but it can take up to a month to arrive if you use the cheapest shipping option. However, the customer service there is terrible. So if you order, make sure there's no Chinese holidays (which they quit working completely for and don't ship anything out) and also make sure you're not going to want to cancel (and if you ARE going to cancel or might, at least make sure you use PayPal, because Paypal saved my .... with them and refunded my money... they tried to scam me by sending me a private email promising they would cancel my order, but leaving a message in Paypal's dispute center that they had shipped the item. Fortunately, they screwed with the WRONG person... I'm an IT major in college. I sent in the copied text of their email along with the headers that proved it came from their IP. When Ebay and Paypal saw THAT, they IMMEDIATELY refunded my money even though the seller didn't even have the cash in their bank account, and charged it to the seller's account for when ever they do get money. Evidently the seller was unaware of this and still shipped the Vamo kit. So I'm getting it free. Take that, suckers! LOL.

Anyways, if you want to be a bit safer, Zainy also sells the same kit for a little bit more, around $60 total. But they do same day shipping and their customer service is extremely quick to respond, friendly, and quick to resolve disputes. However, I think out of everything as far as customer service goes I would recommend the Vape-Pro. I'm sorry, but I have yet to see anyone beat the customer service offered by Totally Wicked. They will do practically ANYTHING to make sure you are able to enjoy their products to the fullest, even if it means sending you free product (I couldn't get started with the drip style atomizers that came with my Torpedo, and on top of that I ordered clearomizers that were for advanced users and required pretty sophisticated break down and a syringe to fill (CE2 XLs for the curious... yeah they are old, they were also very cheap on clearance, LOL), so they sent me a free $6 clearomizer, then sent me a free adapter when they realized they sent me the wrong kind of clearomizer... total of $10 in free product just because I was an idiot that couldn't drip right or select the right clearomizer, LOL. They even told me to refuse the clearomizer shipment that I ordered and just wait on what they sent me for free, but I didn't out of good conscience, considering they sent me more value in free product than what I actually spent on what I bought. I had even bought the Torpedo kit at a 50% discount. So yeeeeeeah... that was my start with an APV, LOL. Prior to that I had been using a Titan Tank (e-cig). What's funny is now I can use those drip atomizers... the whole problem all along was the kind of dropper I was using made the drops of liquid too big for the atty. If I use the squeeze bottle tips though they make the perfect sized drops. I didn't think anything of it because it was one of THEIR droppers... and they only asked if I was using their fluid. :-/ Ah well, they did make one heck of a dedicated customer for life...

Yeah, I'm a TW fan girl, hahaha.

Anyways, I hope this little story of mine is helpful to you. I know we tend to get so caught up on prices and all that, we forget to check things like warranties and customer service. Also... quality of product. Make sure whatever you get is almost bullet-proof. Also try to make sure there's as few jointed parts as possible and the body is mostly one molded piece. Right now you may not be able to do it, but eventually you will be able to look at pics and tell by the pic if it's a quality device or not just by the quality of its build. NO ONE takes extra TLC with the design and doesn't make an inside to match. And since warranties are generally anywhere from 6 mo. to a year, you definitely want to try to get something that is going to last a long time. And you're going to drop it. *sigh* You just are, accept it, LOL. My biggest mistake is getting mine lost in my lap and then getting up to look for it and... *clatter* LOL happens every time.

 

[boomerdude]

You might also want to tip and swirl your clearo. Burned taste can be from a dry wick. Help it out by slanting your PV so the juice hits the wicks higher up near the coill. Keeps it nice and wet.