Velvet Cloud Vapor Unresponsive to E-mail Questions
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It is a personal choice, and there is a market for it..
If somebody wants to eat/drink/vape artificial, natural or organic, no skin off my back...
Yes, this is another reason why I find no response to my questions troubling and the life of the product being so short a clue.
Custard is an amalgam of flavors - how can you derive an "Organic" custard "essence".
Better to say how do you distill a custard flavor from some organic. Surely they are not throwing custard into e-liquid.
How about organic doughnuts. Are we talking about squeezing doughnut juice to make e-liquid?
Makes me more interested in why I get no response.
Oh , this is precious . They can't respond to my e-mail questions but guess what - I just got a solicitation from Velvet Cloud Vapor about their Memorial Day Sale.
Wow. Says a lot.
Just what I want - more unknown.
Wow. Says a lot.
Just what I want - more unknown.
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There are plenty of good questions to be had in this thread. But what you are getting in the e-juice market will be almost entirely an unknown. Because even if you get answers to your questions one cannot forget the world is filled with salesmen. As I learned hacking my way home from a local B&M who was "helping" me. Sure you didn't sign up for the newsletter?
I guess I need to do all the research that's easily available on the interwebz for this now-all-encompassing VCV bash-fest..
This took all of 2 seconds to find..
Organic Custard Flavor Extract
Ingredients: Water, Organic Ethyl Alcohol, Natural and Organic Plant and Vegetable Extracts
https://highdesertvapes.com/products/Organic-Custard-Flavor-Extract.html
What are those plant & vegetable extracts? How do they produce them? In what percentages are they to be combined to obtain that particular custard flavor? Etc. Etc.
People pay good money for an education in this field, and then are subsequently employed in certain industries where they recoup that money & then some.. Sometimes they even use that capital, knowledge & experience to start their own business...
Let me ask this..
What do you think all the artificial flavors are based on??
Hint: Chemists aren't exactly inventing new flavors on the molecular level...
Seriously, look into the flavor industry a little more.. There's this whole giant world out there that apparently some here aren't completely aware of, which was around well before vaping ever showed up on the scene...
And if the folks at VCV aren't willing to educate you, which they have every right not to for all sorts of potential reasons, then perhaps you should take that as a hint to take it upon yourself to learn more about the multi-billion-dollar flavor industry via another avenue in a productive way...
Anyway, I'm starting to get a better picture now of why they might be ignoring some emails...
This took all of 2 seconds to find..
Organic Custard Flavor Extract
Ingredients: Water, Organic Ethyl Alcohol, Natural and Organic Plant and Vegetable Extracts
https://highdesertvapes.com/products/Organic-Custard-Flavor-Extract.html
What are those plant & vegetable extracts? How do they produce them? In what percentages are they to be combined to obtain that particular custard flavor? Etc. Etc.
People pay good money for an education in this field, and then are subsequently employed in certain industries where they recoup that money & then some.. Sometimes they even use that capital, knowledge & experience to start their own business...
Let me ask this..
What do you think all the artificial flavors are based on??
Hint: Chemists aren't exactly inventing new flavors on the molecular level...
Seriously, look into the flavor industry a little more.. There's this whole giant world out there that apparently some here aren't completely aware of, which was around well before vaping ever showed up on the scene...
And if the folks at VCV aren't willing to educate you, which they have every right not to for all sorts of potential reasons, then perhaps you should take that as a hint to take it upon yourself to learn more about the multi-billion-dollar flavor industry via another avenue in a productive way...
Anyway, I'm starting to get a better picture now of why they might be ignoring some emails...
Well, bash or not - I have no interest in proprietary information, trade secrets, formulation etc... from Velvet Cloud Vapor.
I have no interest in anything that you elude to in your comment.
My questions as stated in my previous posts were to obtain simple info as stated.
If you want to defend Velvet Cloud Vapor for not responding to simple questions - fine.
No one can reasonably defend against not responding to a question of life of an open bottle of e-liquid.
No other vendor has refused to respond to simple questions.
Responding to my e-mails does not require disclosure of trade secrets and such.
And that is that.
Edit: Velvet Cloud Vapor lists "Natural Flavoring" as an ingredient.
Here are some nice "Natural" flavoring ingredients as defined in 21 CFR 101.22 - Part 184 -
Diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono- and diglycerides
Sulfuric acid (H2SO4, CAS Reg. No. 7664-93-9)
Ammonium bicarbonate (NH4HCO3, CAS Reg. No. 1066-33-7)
Ammonium hydroxide (NH4OH, CAS Reg. No. 1336-21-6)
Very natural.
One last thought, chemists are synthesizing and modifying organic and inorganic molecules often, creating new molecules (including flavor) everyday. Lest we have many unemployed chemists.
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Soooo...basically a six page rant sounds like you just need to move on to a different vendor...or I guess you could just continue to bash this one? To each their own right? Plenty of places to choose from, as numerous others have said.
A good start would be The Vape Kitchen - it's "100% VG" (well probably not to your standards) and having a 40% off sale. Perhaps they will respond to you if you have questions, but perhaps not because they are running a huge sale right now. Hope that helps.
Enjoy your holiday weekend!
A good start would be The Vape Kitchen - it's "100% VG" (well probably not to your standards) and having a 40% off sale. Perhaps they will respond to you if you have questions, but perhaps not because they are running a huge sale right now. Hope that helps.
Enjoy your holiday weekend!
Soooo...basically a six page rant sounds like you just need to move on to a different vendor...or I guess you could just continue to bash this one? To each their own right? Plenty of places to choose from, as numerous others have said.
A good start would be The Vape Kitchen - it's "100% VG" (well probably not to your standards) and having a 40% off sale. Perhaps they will respond to you if you have questions, but perhaps not because they are running a huge sale right now. Hope that helps.
Enjoy your holiday weekend!
Yes, thank you for your most insightful comments. They are indeed appreciated.
And Sooooo..... basically you disapprove of what I have to say and are thus issuing your default judgment and admonishing critique.
Thank you again, good luck in finding more threads to critique and other ECF members to berate.
Very best regards.
Enjoy your holiday weekend.
So which is it..? That you call certain natural / organic extracts BS?
Or that you have no interest that it's possible?
Tell me.. Are these guys "squeezing" pancake juice..?
Organic Pancake Flavor Extract
Because they must be -- otherwise there's no way they'd be able to slap that green & white USDA Organic label on that bottle & still remain in business..
Again, you might want to dive a little deeper into this industry to see how things are done & what's possible these days...
Already fully aware that diacetyl, for example, occurs naturally.. Thanks for your concern, though..
But tell us: Which new flavorings are chemists creating?
I'm really curious on this one..
Anyway, I understand you're upset that feel you wasted $60 on some e-liquid.. It happens, get over it.. All of us have already been through that.. Be prepared: If you continue vaping, you might end up wasting more somewhere down the road..
And I understand you're upset that a business that you spent $60 with isn't responding to these unseen & unedited emails of yours, for whatever reason(s) they might have.. Again, it happens get over it...
Word of advice? You might want to exercise some caution when publicly accusing businesses of manufacturing & selling fradulent products, operating in sub-standard facilities, and the like, unless you have some substantial proof of such to back up those claims...
Thank you for your comments.
It is obvious you do not comprehend much of what I have stated.
I do not intend to rehash each post over and over with you ad nauseam.
Perhaps you should re-read my comments and when you have a better understanding and fully comprehend
the meaning of each post you will find no need to continue to belabor these non-issues you continue to return to.
Please get over it.
Very best regards.
I wanted to mention that. All my 100% VG or high VG juices seem to lose flavor over time compared to juice with more PG. Even my own DIY
Yes, I can see that. PG is a better preservative I believe and perhaps a more stable glycol. The only 100% VG I have experience with is Velvet Cloud Vapor. My other e-liquids are 50/50, 30/70 40/60 and such. Some are called Max VG ,how much VG that is I really don't know.
Some of the Max VG e-liquids I have seem to be holding up pretty well, while others I have seem to have some loss of flavor after perhaps 4 months or so.
picowatt, I have been reading through all these posts and IMHO your approach to any comments that you disagree with is pretty argumentative. So I wonder--was the tone of your email to Velvet Cloud also argumentative? If it was, that may be why they have not responded.
They didn't respond to my email either! About 6 months ago, as a new vaper, I ordered their custard. When it arrived there was no flavor at all that I could taste, and I politely emailed them asking whether this was the way it was meant to be, or whether there was something missing in my order. I never received a response either, and as it was my first order with them, I obviously never ordered again!
IMHO, some of the comments were quite impolite. If I want to express my opinion, I don't think anyone should tell me to "get over it" or critique my comments in a manner that is impolite or suggest that I move on to another vendor in a condescending manner.
I believe my responses were appropriate with respect to the comments you are probably referring.
If you really did read all of the posts then you would have read that my inquiries to Velvet Cloud Vapor were straight forward and without any form of impolite or discourteous content.
There seems to be a prevailing attitude among some whereby someone may leave an impolite, discourteous or condescending post in a thread that rebukes or berates the original poster and that is a perfectly acceptable standard of discourse.
Well, it is not.
You as well seem to take issue with my statements and are perceiving my responses to what I see as improper comments as " pretty argumentative".
So, effectively , one should accept without response any form of exceptionally discourteous responses?
Is that where I err?
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