Vermont passes 92-percent excise tax on e-cigarettes

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OMG is this crazy or what. Bill still has to go to Senate.
Vermont House passes 92-percent e-cigarette tax
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MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — The Vermont House on Friday passed legislation that would impose a 92-percent excise tax on e-cigarettes as a way to dissuade teens from vaping.

U.S. health officials recently called the surge in youth using e-cigarettes an "epidemic ," and products like Juul and other e-cigarettes are now the top high-risk substance used by teens, according to U.S. figures .

Republican Gov. Phil Scott said in his budget address late last month that he supported such a tax.

"What we know is that these e-cigarettes are incredibly addictive," said Rep. George Till, a Democrat from Jericho. "Nicotine is very addictive. These deliver more nicotine than regular tobacco products do and we know that kids who start with these are four times more likely to become regular smokers."

According to the Public Health Law Center, nine states and the District of Columbia have a tax on e-cigarettes as of this fall. A number of other states have considered or are considering various taxes on them.

"There's been a significant interest in e-cigarette taxation this session," said Mark Meaney, lead senior staff attorney Public Health Law Center in Minnesota.

Vermont legislators are also working on measures to raise the age to purchase them to 21 and to prevent internet sales of vapor products into Vermont, Till said.

The electronic devices heat a flavored nicotine solution into vapor that is inhaled. Flavored e-cigarettes have been blamed for the rapid rise in youth vaping.

Vermont state Rep. James Gregoire, a Republican from Fairfield, said he supported the tax but proposed an amendment that would exclude from the tax people who use the devices with substances other than nicotine, such as medical marijuana or cannabidiol, or CBD.

"I don't believe people who are using these devices for that purpose should have to pay what amounts to a sin tax," he said before the amendment failed.

The bill now goes the Senate.
 

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    Vermont state Rep. James Gregoire, a Republican from Fairfield, said he supported the tax but proposed an amendment that would exclude from the tax people who use the devices with substances other than nicotine, such as medical ......... or cannabidiol, or ....
    How would they know what you put in your tank?
     

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    Ya know that guy in the White Van parked behind the Liquor Store who used to sell Green Plant material in Zip-Lock Bags?

    He now is going to be selling Nice Smelling Liquids in 60ml Bottles.
    Not too long ago those strange looking pipes were marketed for "tobacco" only.
    Soon it will be the tank is marketed for the other stuff, but we use it for tobacco.
    FDA loop hole?....
     

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    Total BS ... this is nothing more than a money grab pure and simple. What's so disgusting is the impunity in which they are allowed to tax some products more than others. It shouldn't be allowed period. What's next, a sin tax on Twinkies because they are fattening and have been proven to increase the chances of childhood obesity?
     

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    Total BS ... this is nothing more than a money grab pure and simple. What's so disgusting is the impunity in which they are allowed to tax some products more than others. It shouldn't be allowed period. What's next, a sin tax on Twinkies because they are fattening and have been proven to increase the chances of childhood obesity?

    Some believe that Legislative Impunity is a Granted Right by the Populace via Apathy.
     

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    Some believe that Legislative Impunity is a Granted Right by the Populace via Apathy.

    Sadly that's all too true. We are easy targets because they know the general public has little regard for smokers or even those trying to quit and we as a demographic, are pretty insignificant in actual numbers.
     

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    Sadly that's all too true. We are easy targets because they know the general public has little regard for smokers or even those trying to quit and we as a demographic, are pretty insignificant in actual numbers.

    Really Doesn't matter How Many people Vape. If none of them ever do Anything more than talk about things After they Happen.

    The Minority can get things Done/Stopped. They just have to Yell Louder and be seen in Organized Public Events for the Media to Hype.
     

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    BTW2 - Funny how this Bill ...

    "This bill proposes to prohibit anyone from selling electronic cigarettes, liquids containing nicotine or otherwise intended for use with an electronic cigarette, or tobacco paraphernalia in Vermont unless that person is a licensed wholesale dealer or purchased the items from a licensed wholesale dealer. It would also prohibit shipping these items to anyone in Vermont other than a licensed wholesale dealer or retailer. "

    Bill Status H.26

    ... isn't get much air play.

    Sounds like Indiana all over Again.
     

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    Total BS ... this is nothing more than a money grab pure and simple. What's so disgusting is the impunity in which they are allowed to tax some products more than others. It shouldn't be allowed period.
    Some believe that Legislative Impunity is a Granted Right by the Populace via Apathy.
    I don't know that the impunity is a result of apathy. In a case like this, the impunity comes from the fact that this tax only affects a few percent of the populace. It doesn't matter if every vaper in Vermont gets all up in arms about it; there simply aren't enough of them to make a difference, and at this point, there are probably more who approve of this tax to "save the children from a lifetime of nicotine addiction" than vapers to object to it. It's like that with sin taxes of all sorts; it doesn't matter what kind of "sin" it is either.

    "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree!" -- especially if that fellow is doing something we don't approve of.
     

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    I don't know that the impunity is a result of apathy. In a case like this, the impunity comes from the fact that this tax only affects a few percent of the populace. It doesn't matter if every vaper in Vermont gets all up in arms about it; there simply aren't enough of them to make a difference, and at this point, there are probably more who approve of this tax to "save the children from a lifetime of nicotine addiction" than vapers to object to it. It's like that with sin taxes of all sorts; it doesn't matter what kind of "sin" it is either.

    "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree!" -- especially if that fellow is doing something we don't approve of.

    Don't Agree.

    Legislators look for things with No Blow Back whenever possible. Because Re-Elections and Party Majorities are More Important than running a State (or Country).

    If there Is/can be Blow Back, they tend to look in Other places. Like behind that Metaphoric tree.

    If all Vermont wants to do is Raise a Million bucks or so, they could add 2 Cents to the Gasoline Tax and they would raise a Hell of Lot more Money than this e-Cigarettes/e-Liquid Tax.

    So part, a Lot, of this Isn't about Money. It's about jumping on the JUUL Train with a One Way Ticket to Savethechildrenville.
     
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    Might be a good time to open a big Vape store right over the line in New Hampshire! Alternatively individuals could get a P.O. box in New Hampshire or move out of state! Wonder how much income and property tax Vermont would lose if 20% of the vapers left the state??
     

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    Don't Agree.

    Legislators look for things with No Blow Back whenever possible. Because Re-Elections and Party Majorities are More Important than running a State (or Country).

    If there Is/can be Blow Back, they tend to look in Other places. Like behind that Metaphoric tree.

    If all Vermont wants to do is Raise a Million bucks or so, they could add 2 Cents to the Gasoline Tax and they would raise a Hell of Lot more Money than this e-Cigarettes/e-Liquid Tax.

    So part, a Lot, of this Isn't about Money. It's about jumping on the JUUL Train with a One Way Ticket to Savethechildrenville.
    Yes, legislators look for things with as little blow-back as possible. A vape tax has little blowback due to the low percentage of the electorate actually affected. A gas tax increase would affect almost everyone, and and even a small increase would have lots of blow-back. This is why it's so difficult to raise property taxes, or income taxes in states (e.g. PA) where the tax rate is constitutionally mandated to be totally flat and everyone is affected by any increase.

    I'm not denying that "Save the Children from Juul" is part of the rationale here, but hey, if you believe you can do that, and add a million bucks to the State's coffers, and all while risking the ire of only a tiny portion of the electorate, why not?
     

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    Ya know that guy in the White Van parked behind the Liquor Store who used to sell Green Plant material in Zip-Lock Bags?
    He now is going to be selling Nice Smelling Liquids in 60ml Bottles.
    Black Super Sport & my bottles actually hold about 62-63ml and I don't live in VT...
    Oh wait, I think you meant someone else. Nvrmnd.
     

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    Might be a good time to open a big Vape store right over the line in New Hampshire! Alternatively individuals could get a P.O. box in New Hampshire or move out of state! Wonder how much income and property tax Vermont would lose if 20% of the vapers left the state??
    A shop owner owns 2 decent vape shops within a few miles from bridges crossing the Connecticut River to NH. It wouldn't take much to move his stock across to Live Free land and his customers wouldn't have much extra to travel.
     
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    I'm not denying that "Save the Children from Juul" is part of the rationale here, but hey, if you believe you can do that, and add a million bucks to the State's coffers, and all while risking the ire of only a tiny portion of the electorate, why not?

    No arguments there.

    Yeah... what's the Worse that is going to happen? A handful of people are going to get Bent on some Internet Forum? I mean, it's not like People are Rallying with Signs that have Representatives Names on them or something.

    And by the time an Elections rolls around, Nobody remembers who Voted for what. Because 99.99% of the People Don't know what their Reps voted for in the 1st Place.
     
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