Very discouraged...

[Sonso]

After 49 years of smoking cigarettes I finally find something that works for me and now it could vanish as quickly as it came. How do you wrap your mind around it all when our government seems so determined to eliminate something that you know is better for you. In retrospect I almost wished I had never stumbled across this remarkable method of help for long time smokers. You can't miss what you've never had. Contrary to what the people who are in charge of regulations believe I am intelligent enough to make my own decisions and judge risk versus benefit. I am also smart enough to understand that individual well being does not carry any weight when it comes to "moralistic all or nothing" advocates. Perhaps I should have researched how the government wanted me to react as opposed to discovering the benefits of e cigarettes and making my own choice. Big Brother must have blinked.

I would be so pleased to have the feeling of success that I enjoyed only a few days ago. I enjoyed an ecstatic 3 weeks of being tobacco free without stress. So short lived. I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss. I will continue to use this newly found method for as long as I can obtain it. But I know that those who oppose are in place, very strong, and determined. I have watched their actions most of my adult life and they will stop at nothing to have their way. I have watched our rights being taken away one by one regardless of the protests of the citizens of this country. I will speak out and will look into groups and organizations that will try to convince those in power that they are wrong. I will hope for the best and prepare for the worst. What other choice is there?

 

[myxomatosis]

It's going to be a hard long fight Sonso. It won't happen overnight. For now your ecigs are safe.

 

[Tanks]

After 49 years of smoking cigarettes I finally find something that works for me and now it could vanish as quickly as it came. How do you wrap your mind around it all when our government seems so determined to eliminate something that you know is better for you. In retrospect I almost wished I had never stumbled across this remarkable method of help for long time smokers. You can't miss what you've never had. Contrary to what the people who are in charge of regulations believe I am intelligent enough to make my own decisions and judge risk versus benefit. I am also smart enough to understand that individual well being does not carry any weight when it comes to "moralistic all or nothing" advocates. Perhaps I should have researched how the government wanted me to react as opposed to discovering the benefits of e cigarettes and making my own choice. Big Brother must have blinked.

I would be so pleased to have the feeling of success that I enjoyed only a few days ago. I enjoyed an ecstatic 3 weeks of being tobacco free without stress. So short lived. I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss. I will continue to use this newly found method for as long as I can obtain it. But I know that those who oppose are in place, very strong, and determined. I have watched their actions most of my adult life and they will stop at nothing to have their way. I have watched our rights being taken away one by one regardless of the protests of the citizens of this country. I will speak out and will look into groups and organizations that will try to convince those in power that they are wrong. I will hope for the best and prepare for the worst. What other choice is there?

Join a militia and buy guns. The right to keep and bear arms isn't so we can hunt. It is to give us a last line of defense/offense in case our government starts to get out of hand. We are not the property of the government, the government is our property.

I am young (22) but I realize there is something wrong with most people in my generation (as well as one generation older and one younger). They blindly accept everything the government does and says without question. They let the government slowly but surely strip away our rights until we can't even decide whether we want to smoke cigarettes or vape.

Can you imagine the influence we would have if every e-cig user would work together for the cause? I don't mean protest, I mean work together to fund real research, fight for legislation, spread our stories and proof that e-cigs help more people than every smoking cessation product combined. It makes me sick that people would give up so easily. They love something because it saved their life but once government and big tobacco decides it is hurting their wallet to much and starts to fight, people give up hope? We all need to work together and until we do that, people who think like you will be correct.

This is bigger than just vaping. This is big government forcing its beliefs onto the masses. What we think and know is irrelevant because they don't like the fact that less people are smoking cigarettes and more people are vaping. That hurts their pockets. They firmly believe we are incapable of making decisions based on the available information without their help.

This is far from over. We can win this. Maybe e-juice will be taxed, maybe they will be regulated to some extent but they can not stop me from vaping. I enjoy vaping. It got me off analogs and it makes me happy. On top of all that, this is about our rights. We can't keep letting big government trample all over us doing whatever they please whenever they please as long as the right people get paid. Murdering without consequence, robbing, raping and pillaging to their hearts desire.

I can't believe what this country has turned into. A business run by thugs and gangsters. And we are being led around and told what to do like cows being prepared for slaughter.

 

[Cookster]

If you notice, on the forum, there's a plethora of mechanical mods and rebuildable attys coming in. I think people are preparing this way. Also, in the DIY forum, many people are buying nic in bulk, and freezing it for long term storage. Stock as much as you are comfortable with, and what your budget can handle.

I am down to 4mg of nic, and I DIY my eliquid, with plans to go to 2mg or less in the New Year, and have at least 6 months of nic and hardware, and I still plan on getting more

 

[bols2DaWall]

Honestly , if you're that concerned and it's getting you down that much buy a ton of gear to last a year or 2

 

[mmsjs5]

After 49 years of smoking cigarettes I finally find something that works for me and now it could vanish as quickly as it came. How do you wrap your mind around it all when our government seems so determined to eliminate something that you know is better for you. In retrospect I almost wished I had never stumbled across this remarkable method of help for long time smokers. You can't miss what you've never had. Contrary to what the people who are in charge of regulations believe I am intelligent enough to make my own decisions and judge risk versus benefit. I am also smart enough to understand that individual well being does not carry any weight when it comes to "moralistic all or nothing" advocates. Perhaps I should have researched how the government wanted me to react as opposed to discovering the benefits of e cigarettes and making my own choice. Big Brother must have blinked.

I would be so pleased to have the feeling of success that I enjoyed only a few days ago. I enjoyed an ecstatic 3 weeks of being tobacco free without stress. So short lived. I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss. I will continue to use this newly found method for as long as I can obtain it. But I know that those who oppose are in place, very strong, and determined. I have watched their actions most of my adult life and they will stop at nothing to have their way. I have watched our rights being taken away one by one regardless of the protests of the citizens of this country. I will speak out and will look into groups and organizations that will try to convince those in power that they are wrong. I will hope for the best and prepare for the worst. What other choice is there?

Here's a group that is fighting for us. Join and help the fight.

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/65800-caasa-our-own-consumer-group-born.html

 

[rockymtnrobin]

Sonso not to worry now. But stay informed and connected to this community. Watch pod casts join CASAA and bookmark AEMSA.org.
Us old smokers have to stick together!! Have you checked out you tube and vaping yet? 4 months and 3 days smoke free!!

 

[tj99959]

Think I will start worring about "The Sky is Falling" when stuff starts bouncing off the top of my head. Until then we just need to keep fighting the good fight.

 

[AttyPops]

Where did this false notion even come from? And one solution proposed...."Join a militia and buy guns?" Fantasy land. We all get a little paranoid sometimes with all the media and such. But sheeeesh! Don't drink the doom kool-aid.

We ARE the government. We can change things if enough of us collectively don't like it. I'm not saying you can't be cautious, but to be that negative from the get-go. Wow. Why not have some faith?

The government is NOT taking e-cigs away at all that I can see. They are, of course, investigating them and trying to define their role with them. After all, YOU investigated them too. Can't fault the Govt. for doing the same thing.

The ONLY thing that can possibly be a target is nicotine. Everything else is buildable off the shelf. So far, the government is LESS restrictive on nicotine than it was decades ago. USED to be, nic gum and patches were only by prescription. Now it's OTC.

 

[Faylool]

With all the minis coming out and just with all the stuff going stronger and stronger on a weekly basis almost new designs and products it's a train with no brakes fueled by cigarette companies jumping on board pretty much. Just depends on if we can survive the regulations they chose to put on it.

 

[Sonso]

I didn't mean to indicate that I would lay down for this. I have been researching shelf life, diy, and equipment. I am no complacent little sheep willing to run off the cliff. As far as the sky falling... well I've been banged on the head quite a few times! I don't like it. It has happened more than I care to admit. As far as us older folks go... ahem... old is meh... I don't care about my age. It has little bearing with the exception of having witnessed a lot of things to base an opinion on.

To Tanks... it's people like you that give us our best hope to regain some semblance of what our country was once based on. Good luck with those do-gooder, right fighters. Man they are tough! I honestly believe their strength comes from blind faith in what they believe as opposed to taking an intellectual informed approach.. Nothing you can say or do will sway them. Best bet is to look for those who are willing to be open minded enough to accept change based on experience and information.

And while I'm at it I would say a huge thank you to every little Mom and Pop small business owner that jumped on the opportunity to supply us. It is a brave thing to do in this day and age. I also own my own small business and it can be a red tape nightmare. Ironically this was supposed to be the American dream. Hard to do without battery of corporate lawyers to advise you.

Thank you for all your comments. I feel better already. I'm going to vape and work on my budget for stockpiling. First I have to see what the IRS will decide to take away this year. Someone has to pay our government officials, right?

 

[Orobas]

learn to DIY, buy nic in bulk. PG, VG, and flavoring will always be available because it has so many other commercial uses.

Get rebuildables. Resistance wire & wicking material will always be available. You can rip apart hair dryers and use cotton balls if you're desperate enough.

Get a few solid mechanical mods with as few parts as possible that can break.

I have a small stockpile of vivi nova head bodies I can rebuild, and collecting more, since I have two other folks in the house that use them and I'm asking them to give them to me when they're done. When i get my financial aid difference check in febuary, I'm investing in DIY stuff and a few tubes; or a least the parts to allow my delightfully competent husband to make one for me.

The fight will be long and drawn out, but there's time enough to prepare for the worst.

 

[Tanks]

Where did this false notion even come from? And one solution proposed...."Join a militia and buy guns?" Fantasy land. We all get a little paranoid sometimes with all the media and such. But sheeeesh! Don't drink the doom kool-aid.

We ARE the government. We can change things if enough of us collectively don't like it. I'm not saying you can't be cautious, but to be that negative from the get-go. Wow. Why not have some faith?

The government is NOT taking e-cigs away at all that I can see. They are, of course, investigating them and trying to define their role with them. After all, YOU investigated them too. Can't fault the Govt. for doing the same thing.

The ONLY thing that can possibly be a target is nicotine. Everything else is buildable off the shelf. So far, the government is LESS restrictive on nicotine than it was decades ago. USED to be, nic gum and patches were only by prescription. Now it's OTC.

I said "join a militia and buy guns" as a joke.. I hoped people could recognize that. Apparently not.

"The government is NOT taking e-cigs away at all that I can see" You're not looking hard enough then. They are trying very hard to out right ban Personal Vaporizers. When that fails they want to ban using them indoors and have the FDA regulate the sale of e-cigs and e-juice.

"Everything else is buildable off the shelf." A bomb is build-able off the shelf. Does that mean the government can't possible make bomb building illegal?

They are trying to our right ban e-cigs. That is the truth. Though, that is a little too drastic and will more than likely not happen. They are now trying to make vaping harder for us by limiting where we can vape and make it harder to get supplies by having the FDA regulate the market.

The government isn't the same as it use to be. We are fighting corporations who donate hundreds of millions of dollars to keep politicians on their side. That's why we all need to work together on this one. We are up against horrible odds but we can come out of this un-harmed if we work as one.

 

[JENerationX]

Rebuildables, lowering your nic level, stocking juice supplies, are all something you can do in case of the vapeocalypse. In the meantime, you can do your part by talking to smokers, non-smokers, family, friends, and coworkers you come across. Tell them your own personal success story and make them aware of what happens when a real person starts vaping. When things come down to a vote, we need as many people as possible to understand what we're doing and vote against banning and restricting it. I've had a LOT of support in Upstate NY where a ban was proposed from smokers, vapers I'd converted, and NON-SMOKERS who have seen me stop my filthy stinky habit and turn to something less harmful. Non-smokers who I worked with were willing to send emails and faxes to state senators and representatives saying that they have a friend/coworker who was able to stop smoking with an e-cig and they wanted to make sure that option was available to other smokers. Every single time you vape in public, you have an opportunity to recruit for the army of people we'll need down the line.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

@Tanks
I am most impressed that you are age 22 & have obvious independent thinking. I know this is not the same with your peers. I applaud you. At the same time I am curious as to how you became so knowledgable & insightful at your age.

 

[Sonso]

From what I've learned so far this legislation that was opened for discussion yesterday does not just involve e-cigs but is an all inclusive investigation that would subject every type of nicotine delivery system to a new set of regulations. That includes gum, patches, inhalers and all the rest of them.. It would open the door to the FDA being allowed to regulate any equipment involved. I only have so much time in a day to research and possibly have misunderstood some of it. Any corrections to my brief and limited knowledge would be welcomed. It's out there for all of us to look into but can be as confusing as choosing your first PV!

 

[AttyPops]

I said "join a militia and buy guns" as a joke.. I hoped people could recognize that. Apparently not.

"The government is NOT taking e-cigs away at all that I can see" You're not looking hard enough then. They are trying very hard to out right ban Personal Vaporizers. When that fails they want to ban using them indoors and have the FDA regulate the sale of e-cigs and e-juice.

"Everything else is buildable off the shelf." A bomb is build-able off the shelf. Does that mean the government can't possible make bomb building illegal?

They are trying to our right ban e-cigs. That is the truth. Though, that is a little too drastic and will more than likely not happen. They are now trying to make vaping harder for us by limiting where we can vape and make it harder to get supplies by having the FDA regulate the market.

The government isn't the same as it use to be. We are fighting corporations who donate hundreds of millions of dollars to keep politicians on their side. That's why we all need to work together on this one. We are up against horrible odds but we can come out of this un-harmed if we work as one.

Sorry. It's hard to tell from text. Also from that context. Maybe use one of these

As far as the government trying to ban em. Prove it. Link?

I'm on record as being very disappointed in the FDA's actions regarding e-cigs. The "selective/minimal" testing, the power struggle. However, I haven't seen them ban em. And if fact, the courts have made that quite hard already. And the major tobacco companies are in line.

I'd be more worried about corporate dominance of the supply than government control.

 

[yzer]

Hmm. I"m able to vape just fine. If I'm hurt, Ill cry but not until then.

 

[Sonso]

I don't think banning is the real issue when you dig into it a bit. It's has more to do with regulations and opening the doors to have that become excessive. Taken too far any type of regulation can be very effective in the elimination of products and or practices. People can go a long way in an effort to comply but there is always a point where it simply isn't worth it. This should more of a concern. But as I said I only offer one opinion. I do agree that corporate dominance is a major issue. They have the resources to acquiesce to any of the demands made of them. They also are instrumental in taking away our right of choice by limiting their offerings to only the things that will best line their pockets and empty ours. Well the soapbox is getting a little dented up here. Not normally my style.

 

[d9mel]

Sorry. It's hard to tell from text. Also from that context. Maybe use one of these

As far as the government trying to ban em. Prove it. Link?

I'm on record as being very disappointed in the FDA's actions regarding e-cigs. The "selective/minimal" testing, the power struggle. However, I haven't seen them ban em. And if fact, the courts have made that quite hard already. And the major tobacco companies are in line.

I'd be more worried about corporate dominance of the supply than government control.

Electronic cigarettes arent going away, they will just be offered in a monopolized corporate market by BT.

The government is loosing tax revenue from folks like us switching to this technology, so I'm sure they're gonna start "regulating" and taxing to get their beaks wet soon. too much easy money to be made

http://blog.turbotax.intuit.com/2010/06/22/how-much-is-the-government-making-off-of-tobacco/