Very discouraged...

[Kropotkin]

I'd be more worried about corporate dominance of the supply than government control.

Yes, exactly.

But Americans are funny: if Monsanto owns your food supply, and Coca-Cola owns your water, and Exxon Mobile drags you into war, well, that goes right under the radar. But if somebody in GOVERNMENT so much as sneezes, then it's all black helicopters and lizard people all of a sudden.

It's like we've all been trained to jump right over our primary oppressors, and go immediately into the same old song and dance every time the buzzer sounds.

 

[AttyPops]

Yes, exactly.

But Americans are funny: if Monsanto owns your food supply, and Coca-Cola owns your water, and Exxon Mobile drags you into war, well, that goes right under the radar. But if somebody in GOVERNMENT so much as sneezes, then it's all black helicopters and lizard people all of a sudden.

It's like we've all been trained to jump right over our primary oppressors, and go immediately into the same old song and dance every time the buzzer sounds.

So true. Funny. Sad. True.

We won't protect e-cigs, or much of anything else, unless we get campaign finance reform and get big-corporation out of big-government. Yes jobs-jobs-jobs are important. That doesn't mean that government must kow-tow to the company though. Lack of competition and free enterprise is a huge problem.

 

[Kemosabe]

stockpiling is not a solution for me. sure i could stockpile a few years worth, but then what? youre just delaying the enivitible.

i fear that one day all we will have available will be prefilled cartomizers, at an astronomical price.

but im hopeful that the least the govt will do is to just tax the products at a reasonable (state tax %) rate. not cig tax %. thats gotta be like 50% maybe. (?)

 

[Sonso]

I know! The stockpiling thing is just a stop gap isn't it? Very frustrating all of this. There have been many insightful posts added to this thread and much food for thought.

Oh man! Save us from the taxes put on cigarettes! I ended up rolling my own. Was quite good at it too! lol

At any rate we humans often find ways of getting what we want in one fashion or another. And I'd settle for a couple years of stock piled stuff in lieu of nothing should it come to that. As I said in my original post. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Works every time.

 

[Kropotkin]

Funny. Sad. True.

Funny and sad to you and me, maybe, but an absolute Godsend if you happen to be Exxon Mobile. No wonder they're laughing all the way to the bank.

but im hopeful that the least the govt will do is to just tax the products at a reasonable (state tax %) rate. not cig tax %. thats gotta be like 50% maybe. (?)

This is exactly what I'd expect to happen too. Why would the states suddenly ban a new source of potential revenue just as they're legalizing pot just to tax it? That wouldn't make sense at all.

(I blame Grover Norquist for all this, as I'd much rather tax billionaires than Boba's Bounty, but that's just me. You get the tax policy you deserve, I guess.)

 

[Sonso]

Speaking of stockpiling I wonder what a 55 gal drum of Boba's Bounty would go for! Boy now that's some good stuff!

 

[Tanks]

Sorry. It's hard to tell from text. Also from that context. Maybe use one of these

As far as the government trying to ban em. Prove it. Link?

I'm on record as being very disappointed in the FDA's actions regarding e-cigs. The "selective/minimal" testing, the power struggle. However, I haven't seen them ban em. And if fact, the courts have made that quite hard already. And the major tobacco companies are in line.

I'd be more worried about corporate dominance of the supply than government control.

I didn't say they succeeded. But, if I remember correct, they had attempted a ban a while back. I'll see if I can find what I'm talking about when I get home from work.

Also, about the "join a militia and buy guns" It was a joke and at the same time it was serious. The government has been slowly taking away our rights under the guise of "national security" and, I suspect, after this recent mass shooting they will attempt to limit/revoke out right to keep and bare arms.

As I said before, this is about much more than just e-cigs to me. We need to do something to limit government. They are getting involved in things that they shouldn't be. Electronic Cigarettes is a perfect example. It is not governments job to regulate such things. I can list 10+ things off the top of my head that government is meddling in when they shouldn't be and it's our job, as U.S. citizens, to keep them inline.

 

[Sonso]

Kropotkin... I'm curious. Do you feel that an activist view is warranted at all? I guess it is easy to jump over big business and launch ourselves at the easiest available target. I hadn't thought of it like that. Is there a worth while way to oppose this type of thing or do you feel that we would just be running ourselves into brick walls for nothing? I'm not being antagonistic in anyway. Text is tricky like that. I would be interested to know your opinion.

 

[tc1]

People are freaking out too much.

Ecigs won't be banned ... they just won't beable to market them as a smoking sensation devices. Same way water pipes aren't marketed for illegal substances.

An all out ban on nicotine is not going to happen ... not in a zillion years.

 

[jazon1]

i think all the e-cig vendors should ad 5% to all sale prices and contribute it to helping test and legislate and help fight for our rights to vape.
i know personalty i wouldn't mind paying a little extra to help insure my rights to vape e-cigs at my leisure.

 

[Tanks]

So true. Funny. Sad. True.

We won't protect e-cigs, or much of anything else, unless we get campaign finance reform and get big-corporation out of big-government. Yes jobs-jobs-jobs are important. That doesn't mean that government must kow-tow to the company though. Lack of competition and free enterprise is a huge problem.

See, bold and underlined No. 1. That is part of the problem. Ignorance is another part. Big Government is getting involved in something it doesn't understand and it has no right meddling in (E-cigarettes).

See, bold and underlined No. 2. A huge part of the problem is companies sending work overseas because they don't want to pay the wages needed for the same job in the U.S. Another problem is the Federal Reserve trying to save the economy. They are actually hurting it more. They need to let the free market work out the kinks on its own. That one of the amazing things about a free market. It doesn't need anyone to give it a stimulus package it needs to be left alone so it can function the way it is suppose to, free.

 

[tc1]

i think all the e-cig vendors should ad 5% to all sale prices and contribute it to helping test and legislate and help fight for our rights to vape.
i know personalty i wouldn't mind paying a little extra to help insure my rights to vape e-cigs at my leisure.

I don't like that idea. If I don't pay taxes on my other online purchases why should ecigs be any different?

Sin taxes on ecigs is a horrible idea considering their reason for existence is to help quit tobacco ... a product already taxed to death.

The minute you let the government tax them they will begin to increase the taxes to make up for what they lose on tobacco sales.

If you want to help fight the cause ... donate time or money to a group doing the fighting.

While your idea isn't exactly a government run tax ... it could lead to issues that could result into one. The government can be stupid but when it comes to money trails they are not.

And remember ... that extra 5% can still be taxed on the vendors end.

 

[fourthrok]

Okay...yes I'm concerned but I'm not quite getting WHAT the government can control or regulate outside of the Nicotine Base itself? How can the regulate the hardware? Like the PVs themselves, or empty tanks or even empty cartomizers? Um...don't think so. And they can't regulate PG or VG can they? That'd be crazy hard to manage. As for flavorings? Get real. No way. So even if they did find a way to regulate the hardware (good luck with that) then just make sure you have some solid mechanicals and easy care durable devices. The other stuff is easy enough to stockpile if you must (I will NOT rebuild atties! I WON'T!!!) The nic juice could be problematic. In my case I've carefully, slowly, and with great care and thought worked my nicotine intake down from 24mg. to 4mg. over the past year...and have every intention of working all the way down to 0mg. at some point within the next year. I smoked heavily (2+ packs a day) for 43 years. It can be done. Even with very low nic I'm thoroughly enjoying vaping. If the Vapocolypse comes...then there isn't anything I'll NEED that they can regulate. Other than the nic. And that can be stockpiled in the freezer, as mentioned to last a LONG time. Especially if you can get your nic levels way down! JMHO.

Edit...hubby and I were just talking about this. As far as the hardware goes...that'd be like the gov't trying to regulate flashlights. Or any small battery operated device. They try that and let's just see who (many many manufacturers and suppliers, retailers, hobbiests, etc. at EVERY level) who are happy about THAT!!

 

[Tanks]

@Tanks
I am most impressed that you are age 22 & have obvious independent thinking. I know this is not the same with your peers. I applaud you. At the same time I am curious as to how you became so knowledgable & insightful at your age.

I was always somewhat rebellious when I was young. I was always fascinated by William Cooper. I still am. He taught me never to believe a thing unless I can prove it with my own research.

If you don't know who he was; William "Bill" Cooper was a father. He was what I consider a true Patriot. He organized the largest civilian information agency in the world. Before that he was a member of U.S. Naval Intelligence. And, he was murdered by his local police department in 2001 (if you do research on his death you will see it was cold blooded murder). I'm no crazy conspiracy nut but I do know our Government has a lot to hide.

Also, I went through tough times from 16-21. It taught me a lot. Another part of what influenced my current way of thinking was probably that I don't go get drunk and party every chance I get like the average person my age. I prefer to stay in and read (favorite subject is history. Specifically, WWII era).

I won't be going off topic again. Just wanted to explain how I ended up as a not-so-average 22 year old.

 

[Tanks]

Okay...yes I'm concerned but I'm not quite getting WHAT the government can control or regulate outside of the Nicotine Base itself? How can the regulate the hardware? Like the PVs themselves, or empty tanks or even empty cartomizers? Um...don't think so. And they can't regulate PG or VG can they? That'd be crazy hard to manage. As for flavorings? Get real. No way. So even if they did find a way to regulate the hardware (good luck with that) then just make sure you have some solid mechanicals and easy care durable devices. The other stuff is easy enough to stockpile if you must (I will NOT rebuild atties! I WON'T!!!) The nic juice could be problematic. In my case I've carefully, slowly, and with great care and thought worked my nicotine intake down from 24mg. to 4mg. over the past year...and have every intention of working all the way down to 0mg. at some point within the next year. I smoked heavily (2+ packs a day) for 43 years. It can be done. Even with very low nic I'm thoroughly enjoying vaping. If the Vapocolypse comes...then there isn't anything I'll NEED that they can regulate. Other than the nic. And that can be stockpiled in the freezer, as mentioned to last a LONG time. Especially if you can get your nic levels way down! JMHO.

Edit...hubby and I were just talking about this. As far as the hardware goes...that'd be like the gov't trying to regulate flashlights. Or any small battery operated device. They try that and let's just see who (many many manufacturers and suppliers, retailers, hobbiests, etc. at EVERY level) who are happy about THAT!!

The same way they regulate glass pipes for an illicit substance. Of course some will slip through the cracks but it is possible to regulate those things.

Not all of us want to stop vaping nicotine. It's terrific that you do but I intend to continue vaping 16-18mg e-juice for a long time. We shouldn't be forced to stockpile supplies or ween ourselves off nicotine. This isn't something Government should be meddling in.

This thread is sort of getting out of hand. It's turning into a what-could-they-do type thing. I'm just as guilty of keeping it going as anyone else.

We just need to keep an eye on the FDA and when legislation is proposed we need to be there to vote for it or against it.

 

[tc1]

I don't foresee the FDA banning concentrated nicotine. Otherwise it would be the end of NRT ... and that's not what they want.

They could regulate it ... which might not be a bad thing for us consumers.

 

[tc1]

Okay...yes I'm concerned but I'm not quite getting WHAT the government can control or regulate outside of the Nicotine Base itself? How can the regulate the hardware? Like the PVs themselves, or empty tanks or even empty cartomizers? Um...don't think so. And they can't regulate PG or VG can they? That'd be crazy hard to manage. As for flavorings? Get real. No way. So even if they did find a way to regulate the hardware (good luck with that) then just make sure you have some solid mechanicals and easy care durable devices. The other stuff is easy enough to stockpile if you must (I will NOT rebuild atties! I WON'T!!!) The nic juice could be problematic. In my case I've carefully, slowly, and with great care and thought worked my nicotine intake down from 24mg. to 4mg. over the past year...and have every intention of working all the way down to 0mg. at some point within the next year. I smoked heavily (2+ packs a day) for 43 years. It can be done. Even with very low nic I'm thoroughly enjoying vaping. If the Vapocolypse comes...then there isn't anything I'll NEED that they can regulate. Other than the nic. And that can be stockpiled in the freezer, as mentioned to last a LONG time. Especially if you can get your nic levels way down! JMHO.

Edit...hubby and I were just talking about this. As far as the hardware goes...that'd be like the gov't trying to regulate flashlights. Or any small battery operated device. They try that and let's just see who (many many manufacturers and suppliers, retailers, hobbiests, etc. at EVERY level) who are happy about THAT!!

The same way they regulate glass pipes for an illicit substance. Of course some will slip through the cracks but it is possible to regulate those things.

Glass pipes ARENT regulated nor is the sale of them illegal. As long as they are marketed for use with legal substances and they make no health claims.

 

[Sonso]

I will attempt to try and find that info on what exactly is included in the legislation that was put out for debate yesterday. It's pretty clearly defined if you have the patience for reading through it. But without the link I realize my say so is just that. I thought I had gotten real by doing the research that explained exactly what the hearings were based on. Perhaps not. I would be more than thrilled for any links you might offer that would make all of that wrong! That is why I'm on these forums. Information and opinions.

 

[MrsMustang]

Glass pipes ARENT regulated nor is the sale of them illegal. As long as they are marketed for use with legal substances and they make no health claims.

You are correct that pipes they are not illegal to sell but depending on the state you live in having one in your possesion is they are considered drug paraphernalia and therefore a criminal offense.

 

[CowbellDrummer]

eCigs aren't going anywhere. Cigarette companies have invested too much into them.