VG base only recipes

[xitheron]

Thought Id chime in here to help out. Ive been vaping DIY VG juices since I started over a year ago and Ill repeat what I have said several times here in the forums... contrary to what some people think VG works in any and all atomizers. When it isnt working in a particular atty its because its still to thick viscosity wise. DW will fix that problem in any and ALL atties.

Now the question is how much DW is too much, or too little, in a VG mix?

The first problem I had to solve was viscosity of VG. In the beginning I was a ego-c user and those are notoriously finnicky with high VG. I went thru weeka of trial and error with mixing, lots of burned hits, ruined attys, you name it. So after realizing it wasnt the equipment, but my juice at fault I set out to find out the right viscosity for VG bases juices.

All of my juice today is 80%VG/20% everything else. Whether that is pg or alc based flavors, or additives like DW, sucralose, em, citric or malic acids, etc. That 20% total is key for me. If I use just one flavor at 14% then I add 6% DW, for example. If your flavoring or other additives are indeed 100% VG also then you will want 70%VG/30% everything else. These ratios for me are never fail.

Now how much is too much DW?

When working with VG base and pg or alc based flavors you can go as far as 65% additives. However this should only be in cases where there is a high amount of flavoring being used. The DW may not even be necessary when flavors are more than 25% of your mix. If you find in these mixes that they are still too thick, a couple drops of dw per 5ml is usually all that would be necessary after the fact and it will not effect flavor.

As to whether or not VG requires more flavoring.... I find that to be a myth and at best the difference is negligable. Ive done tests side by side identical in both PG and VG bases and imo there is no discernable difference to me aside from PG just tasting stale and gross. Im sensitive to pg, cant stand the stale taste of it anyways. To me, any juice with high pg is a ruined juice.

Thanks buffalo that is very helpful stuff.

 

[xitheron]

Be careful with this comparison. There is something behind the curtains that makes Boba's/Gorilla Juice a tad different from our blends. I immediately knew that there is something fishy going on the first time I created an all VG blend. There is much speculation as to how they do it, but know this, they're not only using VG + VG based flavorings... and if they are, I'll be a son of an endangered albino rhino.

Interesting... Not to get too much off topic, but do you have any theories about what you think he's putting in there? Because I want some

 

[Racehorse]

Does anyone know if ANY of the Flavour Arts flavorings are PG free? I only need one or two.

I can't use nature's flavors, just did not like them.

 

[we2rcool]

Thought Id chime in here to help out. Ive been vaping DIY VG juices since I started over a year ago and Ill repeat what I have said several times here in the forums... contrary to what some people think VG works in any and all atomizers. When it isnt working in a particular atty its because its still to thick viscosity wise. DW will fix that problem in any and ALL atties.

Now the question is how much DW is too much, or too little, in a VG mix?

The first problem I had to solve was viscosity of VG. In the beginning I was a ego-c user and those are notoriously finnicky with high VG. I went thru weeka of trial and error with mixing, lots of burned hits, ruined attys, you name it. So after realizing it wasnt the equipment, but my juice at fault I set out to find out the right viscosity for VG bases juices.

All of my juice today is 80%VG/20% everything else. Whether that is pg or alc based flavors, or additives like DW, sucralose, em, citric or malic acids, etc. That 20% total is key for me. If I use just one flavor at 14% then I add 6% DW, for example. If your flavoring or other additives are indeed 100% VG also then you will want 70%VG/30% everything else. These ratios for me are never fail.

Now how much is too much DW?

When working with VG base and pg or alc based flavors you can go as far as 65% additives. However this should only be in cases where there is a high amount of flavoring being used. The DW may not even be necessary when flavors are more than 25% of your mix. If you find in these mixes that they are still too thick, a couple drops of dw per 5ml is usually all that would be necessary after the fact and it will not effect flavor.

As to whether or not VG requires more flavoring.... I find that to be a myth and at best the difference is negligable. Ive done tests side by side identical in both PG and VG bases and imo there is no discernable difference to me aside from PG just tasting stale and gross. Im sensitive to pg, cant stand the stale taste of it anyways. To me, any juice with high pg is a ruined juice.

EXCELLENT INPUT! Thank you SO very much!!!

I'm just getting ready to order 'flavors' and I'm hoping you'll share the suppliers you prefer (for 100% VG or VG/alcohol or alcohol only flavors)...typical or 'super concentrated'. And what type of sweetener do you prefer (and where do you procure it)? I'm definitely going to be ordering the 6ml size of all Ahlusion's flavors today, but definitely need more 'selection'.

Again, thank you very (very!) much!

 

[buffaloguy]

Yw, I get all my VG base from wizardlabs. I have bought vg base there as well. Prices and quality cant be beat imo regardless if you have to wait for it a little bit. Ive been meaning to try the VG available at CVS made by Humco. As for flavoring I buy my TPA flavors at wizard as well. Others I use are superconcentrate alc based flavors at vaping zone and ecigexpress as well as the Hangsen line at VZ.

EXCELLENT INPUT! Thank you SO very much!!!

I'm just getting ready to order 'flavors' and I'm hoping you'll share the suppliers you prefer (for 100% VG or VG/alcohol or alcohol only flavors)...typical or 'super concentrated'. And what type of sweetener do you prefer (and where do you procure it)? I'm definitely going to be ordering the 6ml size of all Ahlusion's flavors today, but definitely need more 'selection'.

Again, thank you very (very!) much!

 

[Mdemon]

Hey buffaloguy. I use ECX SC flavors usually in a 30/70 mix. Most are good at 4%-5% but some I'm using up to 7%-8% & still not the strong flavor I want. What's been your experience with the ECX SC? And how do they stack up to the VZ SC's & Hangsen essences?

 

[buffaloguy]

Well... ecx has in my opinion significantly watered down their super concentrates. I got them when first released and I used 4-5% and it was fine. Shortly thereafter when I would order more I found that I had to use 8%-9% for the same results. Along with that for whatever reason I noticed a great increase in steeping time till the juice was mature. All of my ecx that I have left are mixed at 9% now.

Personally, I have no interest in supporting a vendor that will allow that varying degree of quality in their product. For many reasons one of which is poor quality control for apparently a popular product line that makes a decent amount of money off vapers. I am slowly finding flavors to replace the ecx line in my mixing. Not sure how or why ecx didnt think we would notice, but Im not the only one who did see a big change in concentration in ecx's line.

I have had consistant results still from VZ concentrates since day 1, all of them, incl Hangsen. Those mixes vary in range from 3%-4% depending on the flavor. VZ has been great to deal with.

For those ecx flavors you have mix at 9% and give a hot water bath in a crock pot with the cap off for three hours at 125°. They will be vapable immediately, better at day three and they will peak at two and a half weeks. Same with VZ. Its like clockwork. After I mix those juices I can pretty much know by the calendar when they hit their best quality. Longer steeping time at 125° will speed that process. Every added three hours (with caps on at that point) will shave off about 5days steep time. I only like ro kick start my steeping tho as I make in advance ao they sit awhile regardless till they go in rotation.

 

[Mdemon]

Thanks for the reply man & confirming what I've been thinking. That's been exactly my experience too including added steeping time.
Was starting to wonder if maybe I was going through some sort of weird flavor immunity phase lol

I've been arriving at the same conclusions as well & sad to say, I see no other explanation. Always wondered why they were so much cheaper than VZ & now I guess i know why.
Real shame considering their wide selection. But what good is selection if there's no QC? And if there's one thing that ticks me off its inconsistent quality.

My next order will definitely be VZ now. Any recommendations on the gourmet or Hangsen line?

 

[muttlover3]

Hi Buff--btw, you're my new HERO!!! Thanks so much for the detailed postl-so helpful! I'd love some of your all VG recipies! I'm going to start DIY as soon as I gather my supplies, and it would be great to have pointers from an all VG vet. It's so great to read everyone's take on the different flavors and recipes out there, but if they're not all VG, then they just may not be as good for us. Now, when steeping in the crock, do you set it on low or high? Thanx so much, and I look forward to your future posts--Jere

 

[buffaloguy]

Ive been called a lot of things... some not so good... never a hero! lol

The mini crock pot I have doesnt have a setting. Just heats to 125°. That would be the low setting on most other larger ones. Should be close to 125° however you can go up to 150° with no ill effects on your juice. You can check it with a thermometer. Came across a guy on reddit that had done some chem analysis on how steeping works it confirmed what I had known all along... heat works. Its the best method. Period.

Have fun!

 

[yo han]

I'm only using VG for my liquids.
80% VG and 20% flavor/water
I'm mixing for 4 hours on a magnetic stirrer.

 

[Screamin Eagle]

Wow! People are getting all chem lab on this. (I'm just jelous that I don't have a magnemixer).

I started using all VG mostly for convenience. I can go to my local Rite-Aid and pick up a bottle of Glycerin USP right now and be mixing within the hour. Plus DW is like $.99 a gallon. Some off the shelf liquid Sucralose sweetner (if I need any) from my local grocery store and some LorAnn flavoring from a local candy supply shop and I'm good to go.

Many of LorAnn's flavorings contain a PG base. I'm not intolerant to PG so it's all good.

I average about 15% on the DW. It seems to make it just about right to work in all my clearomisers.

As for recipes? Well I'm still new to this so all I have is a single flavor one right now.

Sweet Spearmint:
75% VG
15% Distilled Water
2% LorAnn's Spearmint
3% Liquid Sucralose

And right now I'm working on Cherry, Root Beer, Caramel, Apple, and one I call Lemonade that is VG/sweetner/ and Real Lemon juice. I'll have to see where that goes.

Edit: Well just tried to run the lemonade through my Mini Davide. You can't tast the lemon, and there's almost no vapor. The vapor might improve as it settles in but I really doubt that the flavor will.
Oh well! At least I can say I tried.

 

[aikanae1]

Is there anyone else with pg free flavorings besides VZ?