VG only - volts, ohms, cartos, tanks, flavors

[ki77en]

In light of my recent discovery (with the help of this forum) that I have a pg sensitivity, I have now gone to straight vg as of the last few days. This has been a relief, physically, and a bit stressful considering the difficult nature of the vg only juice itself due to the thickness.

First of all, I'm using a kgo which I adore, but I have to wonder if using a higher voltage device - or vv - would be better for this kind of juice? I have several different flavors that are wonderful, but the only 2 parts I'm having much luck w/ are the 1.25 ohm dual cartomizer and just dripping on the atty. The Boge 2.0 ohm LR carto and the 1.5 ohm dual coil seem to have an airy vapor production as well as producing little vapor.

The 1.5 dual gives off a bit more vapor when I let it vape itself for a second or 2, but then I end up w/ a harsh TH similar to what I used to get w/ the pg/vg blend. Not sure if both coils are firing or what's going on in there. Maybe the kgo just can't push it enough? The ohms ranges are a tad bit confusing to a noob and I am, by far, an electronics wiz.

I realize that most people seem to have no problems w/ the pg/vg blends but I'd really like to see some kind of sub-forum for those of us who can't or just don't want to use pg. Is there one already started where we can discuss what works best w/ vg only?? I noticed a vg only thread in regards to e-liquid, and while that is needed (due to a lack of vg only from a lot of companies), I think it would be of great benefit to those of us needing advice from veterans in the vg only realm.

Thx in advance!

 

[ejervjero]

In light of my recent discovery (with the help of this forum) that I have a pg sensitivity, I have now gone to straight vg as of the last few days. This has been a relief, physically, and a bit stressful considering the difficult nature of the vg only juice itself due to the thickness.

First of all, I'm using a kgo which I adore, but I have to wonder if using a higher voltage device - or vv - would be better for this kind of juice? I have several different flavors that are wonderful, but the only 2 parts I'm having much luck w/ are the 1.25 ohm dual cartomizer and just dripping on the atty. The Boge 2.0 ohm LR carto and the 1.5 ohm dual coil seem to have an airy vapor production as well as producing little vapor.

The 1.5 dual gives off a bit more vapor when I let it vape itself for a second or 2, but then I end up w/ a harsh TH similar to what I used to get w/ the pg/vg blend. Not sure if both coils are firing or what's going on in there. Maybe the kgo just can't push it enough? The ohms ranges are a tad bit confusing to a noob and I am, by far, an electronics wiz.

I realize that most people seem to have no problems w/ the pg/vg blends but I'd really like to see some kind of sub-forum for those of us who can't or just don't want to use pg. Is there one already started where we can discuss what works best w/ vg only?? I noticed a vg only thread in regards to e-liquid, and while that is needed (due to a lack of vg only from a lot of companies), I think it would be of great benefit to those of us needing advice from veterans in the vg only realm.

Thx in advance!

Good section to probably check out and I believe the closest you are going to get to a subforum would be the Health forums.

Health and Medical Issues > Health Safety and E-Smoking

From the looks of it that is where a lot of the posts about allergys and advice are given since it is medical related due to allergy.

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

Hi Ki77en, I use VG only. I normally add about 3% distilled water to my VG liquids to allow it to wick a bit better in the carto. I have been using this method for quite a while. It seems to me that you may be suffering from dry hits. This is where the liquid vaporizes faster than it can be replaced, causing the coil to get hotter than normal, adding a harshness that is most times undesirable. Hope that helps you out. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.

 

[mynameisrob]

Personally I think dual coils kinda suck at lower voltages. They really only shine in the 4-5V range. If you like a warm vape, youd be better off using a single coil.

I dont have a kGo, but I use an E-Power which is also 3.7V and very sinilar to the kGo, except that it uses non-proprietary batteries. I mostly use juices around 80PG/20VG, but I also really like Bobas Bounty, which is 100% VG and thick.
I use the Ressurector cartos (Smoktech 1.7ohm XL cartos) and they work well with Bobas. The Ressurectors are the only cartos I use and I find their very consistant and give a great vape.
Smoktech cartos have a much more loosely wrapped filler than the Boges and I find they work pretty well with VG juices.
The Ressurectors are designed for 3.7V PVs, like the E-Power and kGo, and they work awesome on both. They are single coil, but many people feel they produce vapor similar to a dual coil.
So I recommend getting some of them and tyrying them out with your VG juices.
Crystal Clear Vaping sells them for a good price and has free shipping which is nice when you just want to get some cartos. And if you buy a 15-pack their alittle cheaper and you get a free drip tip. If you do order from there, dont forget "ecf5off" for 5% off your order.

The Ressurectors hold about twice as much juice as the Boges do so they last a pretty long time between refills. And if you ever want them to last even linger, the Ressurectors work awesome in a tank like this:
In the picture is a Smoktech 3.5ml tank with a Ressurector in it on my E-Power. The juice in the tank is the 100%VG Bobas Bounty as well and it works great. The 3.5ml tank is a perfect size for E-Power/kGo sized PVs. I like them bc their big enough that I can fill the tank in the morning and be good all day, yet their still small enough that I can easily carry my E-Power in my pocket with the tank on it, and the Smoktech tanks are dirt cheap which is always a plus.
CCV sells the 3.5ml tank in a variety of colors and you can get the regular one like in the picture I posted, or you can get one with polished chrome endcaps. CCV also sells pre-punched Ressurectors for the Smoktech tanks and they have the metal base on them that stops the tank from being able to slide down. The hole is small though on the pre-punched cartos, and if you get them, youll need to punch the hole bigger so it feeds the thicker VG juices better.

 

[AzPlumber]

If you are not get much vapor from all vg liquid it's because the vg is too thick for your equipment and not wicking to the coil properly. Just as the previous post said use a bit of DW to thin it out until it wicks properly.

eta: if have a delicate flavor and concerned about the dw diluting the flavor too much, pga can also be used to thin vg and less is needed to have the same effect as using dw, about half the amount. Note that some don't care for pga because of the flavor or for personal reasons.

 

[LucentShadow]

I use VG only, and I find that vaping too hot gives an acrid smell/taste. Makes me worry about possible acrolein, so I stay within reasonable numbers (like 2 ohms at 3.7v).

Dry hits are most likely the cause of that, though. Depending upon the delivery device, I dilute mine from about 5 to 15%. DCTs and CE2s are two notable things that benefit from thinner juice.

I find that it depends on the juice flavorings, what works best for flavor. Some I like fine at 2.6-3 ohms on 3.7v, some I like better around 2-2.4 ohms.

 

[ki77en]

I'm not sure what it is about the 1.25 dual but it gives me exactly what I want/expect. This is why I don't understand how a good range for 3.7 volt is between 1.7 and 2 (if I remember correctly). I have to take verrrry looooong 'drags' from the boge 2.0 and even if it's a lot of vapor, there is absolutely no TH which I presumed was how vg just is.

mynameisrob - I just ordered that tank last night along w/ a variety of other cartos and a clearomizer...and my first mod. (Roughstack) I will definitely be trying the Ressurectors but I'll have to stick w/ whatever comes w/ the tank b/c I have no way of punching the hole in the carto to make it bigger.

And yes, everyone... I realize the juice is too thick. That's why I was looking for answers/solutions from people who use vg only and have experience in dealing w/ it. The "dry hits" that were mentioned made perfect sense and does seem as though it was what I was experiencing. So the question w/ the diluting the juice will now be, how much will this affect the nicotine level? Should I "take it up a notch" w/ the mg?

 

[mynameisrob]

VG def dulls TH alot more than PG does. The 1.25ohm cartos will def give more TH than a 2.0ohm carto, so thats prob part of the reason you like them more, since you seem to like a good TH. Be careful using the 1.25ohm cartos, bc using them voided the warranty on your kGo, so if they kill your PV, your SOL.

Since you like a lot of TH, if your going to dilute your juice, I would use Pure Grain Alcohol (PGA) instead of distilled water. Using PGA will give more TH.

Thats sweet you ordered one of the tanks. The carto that comes with the tank is a pre-punched 1.5ohm dual coil. Like I said, I dont like dual coils at lower voltages, so I didnt even use the carto that comes with the tank, and I just use the Ressurectors instead, but since you like the 1.25ohm dual coils, maybe youll like the DC carto that comes with the tank.
What do you mean though that youlll have to stick with the carto that comes with the tank? The pre-punched dual coil that comes with the tank has the same small pre-punched hole in it that the pre-punched Ressurectors do. Whether you use the pre-punched Ressurectors or the DC carto that comes with the tank, your going to need to punch the hole bigger so it feeds your thick VG juice fast enough to keep the carto wet.
There are a few different ways to punch cartos, like using a dremel or buying a saddle valve, but you can also simply use a finishing nail and a hammer. I punch all my cartos with a finishing nail and hammer and it works great. So yes you do have a way to punch you hole bigger! If you dont have a hammer, borrow one from a neighb or or something, and if you dont have any finishing nails, either borrow one or go buy a few from a hardware store. I use a small one inch finishing nail and it works perfect. You want to punch the hole almost the same diameter as the finishing nail to feed a 100%VG juice.
There is a slight learning curve, and you prob will screw up a carto or 2, but once you get it right then youll know how big the hole needs to be everytime you put in a new carto. Just remember to go slow. You can always take the carto back out and make the hole alittle bigger, but if you make it too big right away, your screwed bc it will just keep flooding the carto and youll have to throw it out and start with a new one. Make it alittle bigger, fill the carto, then fill the tank and try taking a few hard dry pulls. If you dont see tiny air bubbles come out, then you might need to make it bigger.

Heres a picture I took to give you an idea on about how big the hole needs to be for an 100%VG juice.

The carto on the left is one with the small pre-punched hole. I know its kinda hard to see, but its that little dot. Thats what the pre-punched carto that comes with your tank will look like. The carto on the right is one that I use in my Bobas Bounty tank. As you can see its quite a bit bigger. That should give you somewhat of an idea on how much bigger youll need to make the hole.

Hope this helps!

 

[sailorman]

........
mynameisrob - I just ordered that tank last night along w/ a variety of other cartos and a clearomizer...and my first mod. (Roughstack) I will definitely be trying the Ressurectors but I'll have to stick w/ whatever comes w/ the tank b/c I have no way of punching the hole in the carto to make it bigger.

And yes, everyone... I realize the juice is too thick. That's why I was looking for answers/solutions from people who use vg only and have experience in dealing w/ it. The "dry hits" that were mentioned made perfect sense and does seem as though it was what I was experiencing. So the question w/ the diluting the juice will now be, how much will this affect the nicotine level? Should I "take it up a notch" w/ the mg?

I used 100%VG for the longest time before I slowly upped the PG litte by little until now I can tolerate about 20% for at least a few hours at a time before I go back to 100%VG.

Here's the deal. You're going to have trouble with the DCT unless you can enlarge the hole. Don't even waste your time trying with the standard punched carto. You'll just get frustrated and make a mess. Go to Lowes or Home Depot and spring for about $7 bucks for a saddle valve. Enlarge the hole with it and you might even want to make another one in the other side of the carto. You can try it with a small nail and hammer, but expect to deform a couple cartos, which will cause leaks in your tank. Same with a dremel. It works great if you slot the carto, but you'll need some sacrificial cartos before you get it down pat.

You can dilute the juice with water and/or PGA (Everclear or 98 proof vodka if you can't buy Everclear in your state). Alcohol will help restore the TH. But you're going to lose flavor and, of course, nic strength by the time it makes an appreciable difference. To make enough difference, you'll have to dilute it about 20%, maybe 30% or more if you try to use the punched carto without enlarging the hole. That will lower your nic and your flavor by 20-30%. If you vape 24%, you'll end up with 19% and weak taste. Best to make your hardware suitable to your juice than the other way around.

That said, some juice vendors will "double up" on the flavoring or sell a "high voltage" version, which is a more heavily flavored version of a particular juice. If you have them do that, and get a higher nic than you usually use, you can successfully dilute your juice with water or alcohol to thin it without turning it into unsatisfying, flavorless blah.

Your also going to have problems with a CE2 based carto. They absoutely suck at wicking thick juice all the way up to the top where the coil is. This results in dry hits, vaper choking and foul tastes from the burning of the plastic plugs and gasket rings. You'll need to fluff the wick and remove the two plugs. You can replace the smaller ring if you want, that'll stop juice from getting in your mouth as much. You'll still need to tip the carto often to let the juice wet the wick and that'll probably result in gurgling, spitting and/or some leaking. All in all, expect a rough ride. Youtube has about a million vids about modifying and tweaking CE2's. They go double for 100% VG.

If you want a clearomizer type carto, you need to find one with bottom coils. There are two that I'm aware of. Neither of them are extremely easy to find anymore and at least one of them, the CE3, has been discontinued but there is still stock to be had. The other is the G4. Both of them require a little trick to keep them from leaking when you fill them, but neither has a wick or silicone plugs to fool around with.

As for standard poly-filled cartos, some will tell you that they cause problems when used with VG. I don't buy it for a minute. I used standard Boge cartos without the first problem for nearly a year before I started hearing people say that. The only thing about 100% VG is that is does tend to gum up coils faster. But it's not ridiculously faster.

Most vendors offer 100%VG juice. The one I remember off the top of my head that specializes high VG juice is Alien. They have a link in the vendor forum and their juice gets a lot of love around here.

 

[hairball]

I use virginvapor's 100% vg from time to time. I use a dremel and cut a nice big slot in my cartos for tanks. Works very well. Never had a dry hit yet. Also, if you order from Annette, let her know that you use carto's. She'll thin it down and make it carto friendly without dropping the nic level you want. Woman works magic into her juices...try the Kona Coffee Milkshake...let it age for a month. Darn good stuff.

 

[ki77en]

Nice to see fellow 'vegans', lol. (J/k steak. You know I'll always love you.)

Great tips and advice! So far, I've surmised that I don't want to thin it out b/c I haven't even experienced enough of the taste factor, especially at higher voltages. While I appreciate a decent throat hit, I can't take too much b/c I first tried a 24mg pineapple flavor in the 1.25 dual and choked myself up a few times. I do LOVE the vapor w/ the vg, for sure. I'll sacrifice throat hit for flavor and the nicotine, although I know I can go higher if I really wanted to go that route. Right now I need to get used to flavoring though b/c I don't understand when some people say certain juices vape differently, and I wouldn't know when I would actually need to steep a few.... although I'm trying it out w/ this Big Red Gum flavor. (I'm obsessed w/ cinnamon.)

I did not know that using 1.25ohms on the kgo voided the warranty. That sucks. Knowledge protects, though, right? I just watched a video that was from a link on here where the guy was reviewing the VZ VV Mod and he went into detail about the ohms and voltage used and it was extremely informative... so I think I'll be grabbing that just b/c it won't let you kill your cartos or attys, which to some isn't likable but to me I think is just what I need until I'm more familiar w/ things. I understand now that the 1.25 is too low for the kgo, right?

mynameisrob - You rock! Now, I'm sure I could've found any and all of this information scattered about, over time, but the more I search for s/thing, the more I get sidetracked on everything else. It's great to learn these things, but w/out the stress of information overload. I saw on another thread "how to vape when you're flat broke" that one of the things to do is buy what you can when you have the money, and that's precisely what I'm doing right now so even though I'm sure there are things in this next order that won't work for me (the clearomizer may be one of them), I'm sure I can work s/thing out. I loved the hammer/nail trick, and the fact that you showed me the size it needs to be. Truly grateful for that.

sailorman - I haven't bought any CE2's and other than running across the name, I wouldn't know the difference if I had until you explained it to me just now. I will steer clear! Some days I'm just too impatient to mess w/ much of anything... but other days, "I feel pretty"...(Anger Management) good about attempting to modify things w/ whatever I've got.

Oh, and going on the Suppliers List here, the first 3 vendor sites I went to either had no straight vg or the one site had maybe 6 flavors which didn't interest me at all. This started me on a diy adventure so I was able to get the nic level I wanted in the vg and choose several different flavors to start off the journey. (And yes, I found the e-juice calc. ) Am about to order some of the infamous Boba's Bounty and Gorilla Juice from Alien Visions but other than that, there still isn't anything in the VG only section that I want.

Great advice, great people.. thx SO much! I can't remember the last time I was on a forum where you didn't get flamed for not knowing the answer to your own question, lol. Ok, so that's an exaggeration and YES, they were technical forums. (I'm software orientated... not hardware. Punching holes in cartos?? AAAAAA!!! Show me the program that will do it for me! )

 

[ki77en]

I use virginvapor's 100% vg from time to time. I use a dremel and cut a nice big slot in my cartos for tanks. Works very well. Never had a dry hit yet. Also, if you order from Annette, let her know that you use carto's. She'll thin it down and make it carto friendly without dropping the nic level you want. Woman works magic into her juices...try the Kona Coffee Milkshake...let it age for a month. Darn good stuff.

Omg a MONTH!! /cry
Wait... how did you know that it was ready only at that time?

Btw - I love the status of "mod hoarder". Too cute... as is your avatar.

 

[ailsa]

If you use VG only, then the vapor is huge, and tast sweet, but not as so much thoat hit.
Hangsen E-liquid feature by below:
VG(Vegetable glycerin) e-liquid is produced from 3 main sources: coconut, palm, mixed vegetables, which is slightly thicker and sweeter. It produces more vapor. Although VG juice is not as prevalent as PG, but there is much more of it than there used to be and also contains NO DEG.

In light of my recent discovery (with the help of this forum) that I have a pg sensitivity, I have now gone to straight vg as of the last few days. This has been a relief, physically, and a bit stressful considering the difficult nature of the vg only juice itself due to the thickness.

First of all, I'm using a kgo which I adore, but I have to wonder if using a higher voltage device - or vv - would be better for this kind of juice? I have several different flavors that are wonderful, but the only 2 parts I'm having much luck w/ are the 1.25 ohm dual cartomizer and just dripping on the atty. The Boge 2.0 ohm LR carto and the 1.5 ohm dual coil seem to have an airy vapor production as well as producing little vapor.

The 1.5 dual gives off a bit more vapor when I let it vape itself for a second or 2, but then I end up w/ a harsh TH similar to what I used to get w/ the pg/vg blend. Not sure if both coils are firing or what's going on in there. Maybe the kgo just can't push it enough? The ohms ranges are a tad bit confusing to a noob and I am, by far, an electronics wiz.

I realize that most people seem to have no problems w/ the pg/vg blends but I'd really like to see some kind of sub-forum for those of us who can't or just don't want to use pg. Is there one already started where we can discuss what works best w/ vg only?? I noticed a vg only thread in regards to e-liquid, and while that is needed (due to a lack of vg only from a lot of companies), I think it would be of great benefit to those of us needing advice from veterans in the vg only realm.

Thx in advance!

 

[Njt07]

I got some stardusts in from gotvapes and have been using them with bobas bounty, 100% VG, and gorilla juice with no problems with wicking. The stardusts have short little wicks, top coil, and you have to tilt it to get the wicks wet. These don't leak like other clearomizers, and require zero fiddling, just don't use them with highly acidic juices and the low ohm variety work great on my ego batt and my Alpha, 3.7 ohm tube mod.

The only problem is they run out of stock fast as everyone buys them up as soon as they are in stock. Do yourself a favor and order a couple of the low ohm ones, the hire ohm ones are a bit cool but still work just as well, and since they are single coile our batt will last longer.

 

[ki77en]

Mmmm... just knowing what vg is primarily made from makes my mouth water, and makes me think of a new flavor I'll be questing for - coconut! Mixed w/ cinnamon, of course.

Stardusts sound good. What ohm do you use?

I woke up not too long ago and attempted the 1.5 dual coil again and just ended up getting frustrated but I'm afraid to keep using the 1.25 for fear of messing up the battery, now that I know. My new shipment of supplies is at least 3 days away and I've got 2 out of the 5 boge 2.0 ohm cartos that actually work. grrrr Frustrating morning.

 

[Njt07]

Try to thin down your juice with PGA or DW, personally I use PGA, and your juice will wick much better

 

[sailorman]

I use virginvapor's 100% vg from time to time. I use a dremel and cut a nice big slot in my cartos for tanks. Works very well. Never had a dry hit yet. Also, if you order from Annette, let her know that you use carto's. She'll thin it down and make it carto friendly without dropping the nic level you want. Woman works magic into her juices...try the Kona Coffee Milkshake...let it age for a month. Darn good stuff.

A little threadjack here: I just got a 1/2oz of Virginvapor's Organic Strawberry Lime Cooler, my first VV buy.
I tried dripping a bit when I got it. It was the most foul tasting concoction I've ever tasted, and thats saying a lot.

I haven't touched it since. Have you tried this flavor? Will letting it steep make such a huge transformation?
I don't think there's anything wrong with me. I've DIY'd strawberry and lime and saw the potential so I figured I'd try something a pro mixed.