VG/VG blend juices/high nic juice in Canada?

[Rocketfish]

I'm thinking I'd like to order some very high nic content juice(Or pure nic liquid) for the shelf life and for some DIY/ stockpile if these get banned. If working with pure nic liquid I'm familar with working with chemicals(used to play with 52% HF acid at work, that'll cut right to the bone or kill on minor skin contact too. Have a full face respirator and can add a tyvek suit/ventilation. I am curious if 100% nic juice might have a long shelf life. Based on how disgusting the flavors are in nicorette, I'm fully expecting it to get regulated and made to taste like @#$)( soon for the children(tm)
I also want to find either pure vg or VG mixed juices. Is there anyone selling very high nic VG?(say 48mg?) If I mix that with TV doublers I'm hoping I'd get a dilute, good flavor at 24mg.

 

[smokum]

You'll never get "pure" legally in Canada (I said "legally").....


You can order some high strength "American" nic through: E-Cigarette Forum - View Profile: supertrkre2812 by pm'ing him.

I've ordered twice through him myself and had no issue with shipping to Ottawa (I won't give you the details how it makes it through, but it does )

You can read this thread here for the nic juice details: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...00mg-ml-unflavored-xtreme-nic-juice-sale.html

Levy is VERY pleasant to deal with, and his product is top notch !!!

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[Rocketfish]

is he ok with be advertised on the forum, I can find this post through google. I'm mostly concerned about lifespan of PG in storage, especially if they decide to ban it. Does anybody do high strength VG?

 

[smokum]

They won't ban anything...... they'll just keep putting vendors through hoops to jump through for marketing requirements.

Sorry, I don't understand your problem you state with mention of google. This links I provided are clickables. He is a member here (recognized as a supplier), but for now you must order through contacting him via pm (private message). He's supposed to be having a website built currently, but doesnt know when it will be complete.

He sells 100mg/ml regularly (as you'll see in that second link I provided), and if you ask him nicely (and PRIVATELY) he may sell you stronger. But I doubt VERY much he'll sell you pure.

PG and VG storage mixed or not with nic should be good for 2yrs provided stored in areas of no light and kept cool.

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[Can_supplier]

is he ok with be advertised on the forum, I can find this post through google. I'm mostly concerned about lifespan of PG in storage, especially if they decide to ban it. Does anybody do high strength VG?

The pure stuff you can find on chemical suppliers websites in the US. I was given a quote.

I believe it isn't regulated there, or its by state at worse. The recent US court ruling (or advisement or whatever it was) stated the FDA did not have jurisdiction to regulate nicotine, so if they don't who would??

Problem is the liability of the stuff. If it spills on the postman, the cleaning lady in your house, or your buddy you have a dead one of those on your hands and and a bleak future.

Do you know that the shelf life of nicotine is greater than PG or VG?

As for the high strength stuff I've found that the price per mg of nicotine is the same as the lower strength, such that 50mg is double the price of 25mg or 100 is 4 times the price of 25. The advantage of ordering in the lower concentration is the supplier is more likely going to give you a quantity discount, as you are buying double the product.

There is no reason why 1 unit of 100mg would store better than 4 units of 25mg, making the storage issue moot.

If you are prepared to stock up, buy 1L at a good deal, which has a self life of one year, and would also be all you would need in a year. See where things are in a year's time, or worse case wean yourself off of nicotine over a year.

There is no way that the supply is going to be stopped now the door is open anyhow. It will be the same as cigarettes with smuggling if the government decides to go the route of prohibition. Other option is, this stuff will be on the shelf at Walmart made by Imperial tobacco in the not to distance future.

 

[smokum]

I agree with everything you say except with your comments on the pricing.....

With the link I've provided above, I've come to learn that Levy now has his website launched here: Welcome to XtremeVaping.com

You'll notice pricing varies greatly with quantities in general regardless of nic mg/ml (and is also a lot cheaper than buying local if your willing to take the risk of shipping although I had none at all with the two shipments I've received).

Also noteworthy.... he is offering it PG or VG and is a VERY clear and clean tasting nic juice !!

Take a peek.......

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[Can_supplier]

I agree with everything you say except with your comments on the pricing.....

With the link I've provided above, I've come to learn that Levy now has his website launched here: Welcome to XtremeVaping.com

Hey Smokum,

That site is an example about what I am saying about pricing. 30ml of 100mg is $23, 30ml of 50mg is $10.50.

So the 100mg diluted will make double the 50mg, but the 50mg cost less than 1/2 the price. Two bottles of 50mg are $21, which is cheaper then $23 for the 100mg.

Vaping at 100mg I don't think is a good idea, so you would be cutting it and paying more to do the work rather than just ordering 50mg.

 

[Can_supplier]

Also all this high nicotine juice worries me a bit. I've had a few customers ask me if I would carry it. I have declined.

I'm not one for regulation, and everyone should be free to decide for themselves what they want to do, but I think this whole high nic thing deserves some careful consideration.

Vaping at high nic can give you that buz we all enjoyed when we started smoking, which is tempting. BUT remember what happened to all of us with cigarettes? The buz went away and we became slaves to the product, smoking it because we needed to, not because we enjoyed it.

Do we want to go down the same road with higher concentrations of the substance that hooked us before? We know how it will end, chasing the buz until its just about habit. Do we want to be hooked even MORE on e-cigs or anything than we were on cigarettes?

Personally I started with 36mg. As an over a carton a week smoker for 20 years the 36mg gave me a buz. I am thankful that 36mg was there to help me switch over, but I have since dialed it back to the mid 20 range for the reasons above. Personally I can't see any higher level being necessary or will bring about any good.

 

[beast775]

i cant figure out why someone would want to handle a liquid that could easily kill them?im not scared of anything ,but would never handle pure nicotine,or put someone else at risk.seems a little funny to me.but then ive seen smokers who cant breathe at all -pull there oxygen off and light a smoke,maybe thats the same.

 

[smokum]

It appears your correct using those strength examples you selected. I had used the 30ml of 100mg @23.00 compared to 30ml of 25mg @7.50 which represents a cost difference of $7.00 less your delution expense of the needed VG or PG if you were stepping down to 25mg and ending up with 120ml of finished juice.

I think I've got that right, but admittedly I just can't wrap my head around it all right at this moment (I blame the tramacets).


I "just" upped to 36mg from 24mg in an attempt to wipe out these analogs entirely after many years of 2.5 to 3 pks a day. I've heard of others vaping higher, but personally that's taking it over the top and approaching too closely to the maximum intake to OD'ing (but to each their own).

My purpose of buying high strength is to mix down and DIY.... period... and I'm comfortable with that and its handling (mostly because I farm and handle pestisides all the time). However, I do agree that its not for everyone, as well as agreeing the transportation of those strengths being handled by personel is on the irresponsible side when putting others at possible risk unkowingly.

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[Rocketfish]

I was curious as to whether 100% nicotine would store longer, say in a one use glass vial with no O2 exposure. I was thinking you could have an absolutely miniscule vial(sized so you would drop it in say a 4oz of flavored no nic juice, then shake. which is legal to ship) Could be incredibly well packed(glass within foam within a plastic liquid/crush proof safety bottle with an inert absorbant within peanuts within etc etc...) Same way as superglue for example. I would be willing to buy it stateside and transport back myself to avoid risk to postal service people.

It would actually avoid some of the risks of shipping even 24 or 36mg juice(a 4 oz bottle of that will do some damage as well!) since it can be better packed within the same size package.
My goal would be to have the one component which can be banned with enough supply in a small space for a few years.
If the shelf life of 100% nicotine was the same the argument would be moot, but it is significantly longer I believe.
I can then buy no nic liquid anywhere, and mix my own flavor/strength combination without running the risk of too much dilution of flavor.
For example if I want 70/30 PG/VG of a great flavor from tasty vapor, no reason it can't be shipped.

I don't know anyone who wants to vape 100mg, just to avoid over diluting no nic flavor/mixing my own.

Cost is also nicer, ultrapure liquid costs 13.47$+shipping for 24mg, 15ml size.
12.50 for 100mg that I can blend into a 4oz of tasty vapor sounds like better math to me.