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Discussion in 'Health, Safety and Vaping' started by malkuth, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. malkuth

    malkuth Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2013
    Gray, TN, USA
    Well, today I had my yearly visit with my cardiologist. (I have a pacemaker, COPD, Sleep Apnia and high blood pressure.) I gave up analogs on Father's day so am vaping only. According to my cardiologist, I am now a non-smoker. So, I can officially put that on my insurance, etc. He was overjoyed with the fact that I gave up cigarettes.

    As an aside, I monitor my blood pressure, and provide graphs to him of the results. (I am supposed to do it daily, but I forget quite often.) He was jumping with joy at that as well. My blood pressure has gone down an average of 7-9 points since I quit the stinkies.
  2. classwife

    classwife Admin Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    This is marvelous !
  3. Spazmelda

    Spazmelda Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 18, 2011

    You know what would be cool, if a bunch of doctors got together and compared notes from their patients who switched to ecigs. I bet we'd see some interesting information.
  4. malkuth

    malkuth Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2013
    Gray, TN, USA
    Thank you classwife for moving this post to where it belongs.

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  5. AgentAnia

    AgentAnia Resting In Peace ECF Veteran

    May 22, 2013
    Orbiting Sirius B
    Well done, malkuth! :thumbs: And congrats to your cardiologist for being receptive to the benefits of ecigs.
  6. Mattnatti

    Mattnatti Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 14, 2013
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Glad to hear it, I will be visiting my cardiologist in a couple of weeks after a 2x bypass. He told me while I was in CICU that he didn't care if I had nicotine but just not to get it from smoking cigarettes. We will see what he says about me vaping. Not sure if I should tell him I went 6 weeks without analogs and then started up again for a couple of weeks before I went Ecig's .
  7. SASmith

    SASmith Super Member ECF Veteran

    That is wonderful news , it's so nice to hear good new like yours, thanks for posting!
  8. malkuth

    malkuth Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2013
    Gray, TN, USA
    I would just tell him when you went Ecigs permanently. I had told my cardiologist last year that I was moving that direction, so he should not have been too surprised when I quit all together.
  9. Rapture

    Rapture Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2012
    Bay Area California
    congratualtions. I would like to know your cardiologists opinion on the use of nickel, chromium(kanthal wire) as a heat device for producing vapor to inhale into your lungs.
  10. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 24, 2009
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    A cardiologist won't have any opinion on this because it is outside their speciality in several ways unless they specialise in ecig research (like Dr Farsalinos). I think it unlikely that a pulmonologist would know either, unless they have a particular interest in ecigs; Dr Polosa is one such. You can search his work and see his commentary on this issue.

    The basic issue is that the quantities of any contaminants inhaled would be so microscopically small that any implications are unlikely. It might be something like 1ng (one nanogramme) per week or similar. Nickel allergy is a popular topic just now but even so it is hard to see how consumption of amounts probably too small to measure can have any significance, unless you follow the homeopathic line of thinking.

    If you require hard data on this then there are a couple of studies, plus Dr Polosa's or Farsalinos' commentary on them. Be careful when examining any study with Talbot among the authors (like one of these studies), they have an agenda and the conclusions may not be realistic (you also need to read Polosa / Farsalinos for a rational judgement).
  11. Rapture

    Rapture Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2012
    Bay Area California
    YOU just made me feel better. So basicially the amount of bi product i (could be) or (am) inhaling off a small coil is miniscule compared to what would cause me long term harm. probably get more from everyday breathing
  12. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 24, 2009
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    My opinion is that concerns of this particular type (metallic particles or silica particles) are over-stated. However you need to take into account:

    - This area is completely outside my personal field of experience, so in effect I am arguing from a position of ignorance. (In reality there are very few people indeed whose opinion on this subject is worth anything - probably limited to pulmonary consultants specialising in industrial health issues.)

    - There might just possibly be someone somewhere who could be affected by inhalation of unmeasurably small quantities of contaminants of this type.

    - All you have to do, if this is an issue that worries you, is fit a filter to your device - it couldn't be much simpler. For example you can drill out the bottom end of a driptip to about 5 or 6mm and insert a small section of RYO cigarette filter, and replace it occasionally. Or, have a driptip made specifically for insertion of a replaceable filter like this.

    Basically I am a pragmatist: any risk from vaping is going to be about 1,000th of that from smoking (or lower); risks can be further reduced by a little thought (such as buying the highest quality refill liquids, not the cheapest; using a filter; etc.); and if you have any reason to think you are not an average person in terms of health risks (e.g. family history of a specific illness type or other predisposition) then you could perhaps consider what additional measures you could take to minimise risk.

    There are specific health issues with vaping but they are on a minute scale compared to smoking. The two principal ones I can see at this time are:

    1. Vaping by a person with lungs severely compromised by smoking. People with emphysema or stage 3 or 4 COPD need to look at their options very closely indeed (emphysema patients commonly develop pneumonia as their resistance is far lower, and vaping may just possibly exacerbate this in some patients).

    2. We don't know what the long-term effects of inhaling large quantities of PG, flavourings or possible contaminants are. To say otherwise is a little unrealistic. What we can reasonably estimate is that the risk is far lower than smoking - but there is a risk (unless/until such time as the epidemiology says otherwise - i.e. in about another 20 years). There are ways to reduce the risk from each one of those three components (a drastic example is to only vape unflavoured refills; or perhaps more sensibly, reduce the flavourings to a minimum, of a known issue-free type).

    Inhaling materials other than air has a risk, meaning that some will suffer morbidity of some kind as a result. If 30 million smokers switch to vaping, some will die (in addition to those who eventually die as a result of smoking-induced morbidity). The gamble is that it will be a lot less than if everyone smoked; and it's a good bet. It cannot be harmless, is all. There are always going to be ways to reduce risk, in any activity, if that seems important to you.
  13. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 24, 2009
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    It is interesting to compare the lowest-possible risk options to the highest risk (if there is any, which is not agreed, although it seems logical that risk exists). For example, what would be the highest possible theoretical risk profile? For the sake of amusement you could maybe guess at:

    - A gastight metal tubemod with stacked batteries and no electronics
    - Using a sub-ohm atty pulling 10 amps plus
    - Using the cheapest wick and coil materials
    - Using rough fibreglass or silica wicks
    - Using no filter
    - Inhaling deeply
    - Inhaling at all (since you can use an ecig in cigar mode if you want to)
    - Vast quantities of vapour produced, with liquid rapidly nebulised in higher volume than with other arrangements
    - Consuming more than 10ml of liquid per day
    - Use of ultra-high strength nicotine refills
    - Use of mainly PG refills
    - Use of super high flavouring mixes
    - Use of flavourings with known issues, such as buttery flavours, or big throat hit types like chilli or cinnamon
    - Buying the cheapest possible e-liquid when it is obvious that there can be no such thing as a good-quality cheap refill (testing is expensive, so by definition it is untested)

    It's a fun game - but that's all it is. Smoking is at least 100 times more dangerous. However I believe that by doing the opposite to the above, you can probably reduce your risk to about 10,000 times less than smoking.
  14. josie wales

    josie wales Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 30, 2013
    I saw my cardio guy this past week after I had a cath done a few months ago. I told him I quit smoking and I am vaping. He was glad I quit smoking but had no opinion whatsoever on vaping. I'm kind of surprised how many medical professionals have no idea about vaping besides Steven Dorff. He didn't know you can buy juices in various nic ratings. You'd think since every one of them beats you over the head with the quit smoking routine they'd at least know this kind of product exists and has a pretty high success rate for getting people off cigs.

    Anyhow, I told him I quit cigs, but was not doing very well on changing my diet. He said the smoking issue was actually more important in my case.
  15. doots

    doots Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 22, 2009
    CONGRATS and continued good health!!
  16. malkuth

    malkuth Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2013
    Gray, TN, USA
    You certainly seem to be well researched. From my perspective, I was just pleased that my cardiologist put me in the realm of a non-smoker. I know for a fact that it has already led to an improvement. My COPD is decidedly lessened. Which, in itself, is curious as I was told that COPD is not curable. My only assumption is that the smoke from cigarettes irritate the condition, and that switching to vaping has removed the irritant. Although not a "cure" it is much better than flooding my system with the "medications" which in turn cause other problems.

    Now, if we could only convince the politicians that keep coming up with these ridiculous laws about vaping in public, and increased health risks from vaping we would be in great shape. I personally think that we have had too much "big brother" trying to take care of us. (end rant mode)
  17. EdHarley

    EdHarley Full Member

    Aug 1, 2013
    Mesa, Arizona, USA
    Great thread. I'm thrilled to see others having similar experiences to my own.

    I smoked for well over 40 years and at times, quite heavily (2 to 3 packs a day). I'd been down to less than a pack a day for a few years before surprise bypass surgery. My surgeon and cardiologist both told me that they were fine with vaping as an alternative. On follow-up visits to both, they were very supportive and my surgeon even had some research done and was quite enthusiastic about supporting me. He said he'd like to "recommend" vaping for his patients but was not comfortable with the liability.

    His research showed that ecigs were nearly 8 times more likely to prove successful over any other method of quitting AND with many fewer side affects.
  18. _Lee

    _Lee Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 9, 2013
    Good to hear.

    I just had my annual last week. My dr was also quite happy I am vaping now exclusively. BP is down, lungs sound great and hope to get off my bp med soon.
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