Visiting Vancouver - Do I bring my Mod/Juice?

[stevenshepherd]

I am going to be in Vancouver 4/24 - 4/26 on business and from what I am reading, juices containing nicotine are not allowed there? Will customs seize my juice and/or mod? I'm thinking of playing it safe and just bringing a couple of nasty Blu cigs instead of my mod/juice.

 

[sabre66]

I've flown and driven back and forth many times never any issues with my mods and juice. Suitcase have been searched both in and out no problem at all, last time 3 30ml bottles and backups for my backups.

 

[chadsmo]

All hardware and juices containing nicotine are 100% legal for use and sale in Canada.

I've Vaped openly without issue in half a dozen pubs and bars in Vancouver.

 

[Hello World]

Just don't tell them if they ask.

Yes, they will refuse entry of your liquid nic without fail.

 

[chadsmo]

Just don't tell them if they ask.

Yes, they will refuse entry of your liquid nic without fail.

It's 100% legal to possess and use in Canada.

 

[Hello World]

It's 100% legal to possess and use in Canada.

Not the point.

Not about possessing, but importing. It's perfectly legal for you to have it and use it.

Legalities are 1 thing, what the Govt has the power to do is another story altogether. Secondly, your legal argument nets you merely a schedule "F" form to fill out. Not my opinion, that's what factually happens in the real world, and has happened without variation to the rule.

The fact remains that Health Canada's regulations are followed by Canada Customs which seize e-liquid nicotine shipments and there is not a blessed thing you can do about short of spending a fortune on a lawyer. Perhaps you feel should that ever happen to you, you are just gonna go right down there fist on the counter telling them they have no legal jurisdiction and to let your shipment through immediately? They won't, they never have, they never will ... because you haven't filled out schedule "F". You may feel otherwise, and I hope you are right, because you would be the very first one ever to do so and I wish you the very best of luck.

Reason and rationality dictates that legal issues can be calmly sorted out with another. You are dealing with unthinking bureaucrats who are under regulatory order to do such and such. And they follow those orders.

I have yet to see anything other than every 'John Wayne' here bucking the system in the end do anything but lick his wounds. But like I said, best of luck should it ever happen to you.

 

[chadsmo]

Health Canada does not make regulations , only guidelines which can be turned in to regulations and laws. While I hope i never have to fight customs I will if need be. And maybe I just got lucky so to speak but I imported 4 bottles of this and it was opened by customs and according to my tracking they had it for over a week.

 

[Hello World]

Health Canada does not make regulations

Yes they do. Ministers or administrative agencies have that power by executive order within legal constraints such as statues, the Constitution and other regulatory instruments. Laws are passed by the legislative branch of the Gov't, different kettle of fish. Just a heads up, I fought RevCan, a monster far more powerful than HC for over a decade -- automatons with marching orders who disregard their own fabricated regulations and is like talking to brick walls.

Laws are rules for everyone to obey, but regulations are rules, processes and procedures for bureaucrats to follow. It kinda comes down to "There is no law that prohibits ..." from your perspective vs. "We are required to do this ..." from theirs. And they may well conflict, but they have the upper hand in this game. One of the reasons Gov't have all the time in the world to change/amend laws is because they can have their bureaucrats do whatever their bidding is by the minister or "Order in Council". At least in the days of King John pre-Magna Carta you knew exactly where things were at ... today legal and regulatory convolution works pretty much the same way through layers and veils of arbitrariness' which are every bit as enforceable on different levels as laws.

Regulations to control nicotine import have been with us for more than 50 years, so nothing new.

While I hope i never have to fight customs I will if need be.

That's the best all of us can hope for. We just want to vape.

And maybe I just got lucky so to speak but I imported 4 bottles of this and it was opened by customs and according to my tracking they had it for over a week.

Great to hear your stuff got through. Good news, another success story.

 

[Watchmaker]

Schedule F C.001.045 (1) ---snip----A resident of a foreign country while visiting Canada shall import a Schedule F drug. Not declaring you have a schedule F drug is the surest way of having it confiscated every time. It remains for HC to test and categorize E-Juice to exclude it from the schedule F exemptions. The FDA tested a variety of e-juice and came up with 26.8 and 43.2 micrograms per dose which is under the 4mg per dose limit in our drug schedule.

Getting an expensive lawyer is a waste of money since he's going to ask/tell you in the first consultation to fill out the required paperwork. HC from my perspective is getting away with this because they aren't sending the correct paperwork when confiscating e-juice at customs. I'm currently waiting for this paperwork myself.

Banging your fist on a table is the preferred reaction from Government offices since it's entertaining and doesn't require paperwork to be filled out correctly.