Vmod XL Meltdown

[kbobiles]

Hey guys, I just received my new Vapage Vmod XL, and have been using it for the past day and a half. About 3 hours ago, it suddenly stopped working. After checking the battery, I noticed the bottom spring seemed lower than usual. When I press the fire button, it doesn't make full contact with the battery. The spring was hot, and it looks to have melted the plastic a bit. Has anyone else had this issue?

I've sent an email to Vapage, and currently awaiting their response.

 

[Cjax]

sounds like you had a short. What atty were you using? Was it a rba?

 

[kbobiles]

It was their stock hybrid atty running at 2ohms.
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[sacricide]

killed your battery probably, hotspring works though!! so thats good

 

[kbobiles]

Actually, the battery is fine. I am currently using it in my Provari.
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[kbobiles]

Update: Just got in touch with Vapage Customer Support, I will be sending the defective unit back for a replacement. Hopefully the replacement unit holds up. They also recommended I use their battery, but what are your thoughts? It looks to be the usual specifications: 18650 at 2200mah running at 3.7v, with mine only at 2000mah.

 

[young gotti]

Update: Just got in touch with Vapage Customer Support, I will be sending the defective unit back for a replacement. Hopefully the replacement unit holds up. They also recommended I use their battery, but what are your thoughts? It looks to be the usual specifications: 18650 at 2200mah running at 3.7v, with mine only at 2000mah.

i'd think any and all companies will recommend u use their batteries...but i don't recall reading anyone else having problems with other batteries....i can't comment on it though since i've only used the vapage 14500 batteries with miine

 

[kbobiles]

i'd think any and all companies will recommend u use their batteries...but i don't recall reading anyone else having problems with other batteries....i can't comment on it though since i've only used the vapage 14500 batteries with miine

I agree, and just to be on the safe side, I will be ordering a pair from Vapage.

 

[y cherry y]

Is yours a protected battery like theirs is? If not, you need a fuse like the Shortstop to prevent this sort of event. A regular IMR isn't safe in a mech mod unless it says "protected" on it. The red AW's, for example, are not protected and are made for regulated devices that have built-in protection circuits (like the Provari, Zmax, etc). A voltage/wattage regulating device like the Kick also provides protection when using unprotected batteries.

 

[kbobiles]

Is yours a protected battery like theirs is? If not, you need a fuse like the Shortstop to prevent this sort of event. A regular IMR isn't safe in a mech mod unless it says "protected" on it. The red AW's, for example, are not protected and are made for regulated devices that have built-in protection circuits (like the Provari, Zmax, etc). A voltage/wattage regulating device like the Kick also provides protection when using unprotected batteries.

That is VERY good to know, and I appreciate the info. I never really looked into the difference between "protected" and "unprotected" batteries, as I have been using electronic mods. This is not my first mechanical mod, but now I know to use the right battery. Thanks again!

 

[muzichead]

Is yours a protected battery like theirs is? If not, you need a fuse like the Shortstop to prevent this sort of event. A regular IMR isn't safe in a mech mod unless it says "protected" on it. The red AW's, for example, are not protected and are made for regulated devices that have built-in protection circuits (like the Provari, Zmax, etc). A voltage/wattage regulating device like the Kick also provides protection when using unprotected batteries.

Actually the AW IMR batteries are a safer chemistry battery and very safe to use in any APV..... They are made to vent instead of potentially exploding like a protected battery could possibly do.

 

[Racehorse]

Is yours a protected battery like theirs is? If not, you need a fuse like the Shortstop to prevent this sort of event. A regular IMR isn't safe in a mech mod unless it says "protected" on it. The red AW's, for example, are not protected and are made for regulated devices that have built-in protection circuits (like the Provari, Zmax, etc). A voltage/wattage regulating device like the Kick also provides protection when using unprotected batteries.

YCherry is correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. the Vapage batts I believe are their own version of "protected". I personally would use the AW protecteds from RTD vapor. (AW black silver red)

The blue batts that come with the vapage, I've already had 1 of them peel away while inside my PILA charger.

SOme people prefer the orange IMRs but they are NOT protected batteries. They are safe chemistry. They do not have protecction cells inside. And there is really no need for an IMR in a purely mechanical device at 3.7. The demands on the battery are just not like they would be on a VV device.

If you want to be extra safe, then get a protected battery + shortstop fuse so your battery spring won't collapse next time. Either that or a multimeter so you can check those atties before you pllace them on your mod.

 

[kbobiles]

I can't thank everyone enough. I will go with a protected battery + shortstop + multi-meter to be on the safe side. Again, thank you!

 

[muzichead]

I only use safer chemistry batteries in all my APV's. I do this Because I use low resistance atty's only and now for my mechanical devices am using rebuildables with around 1.0ohm coils... If you look around the forum and most vendors websites, you will find that a lot of the newer APV's will not fit a protected battery. This is because they are being manufactured with AW IMR's as the suggested battery to use. The safer chemistry batteries such as the AW IMR's can handle higher amp loads that are demanded from lower ohm coils. As I mentioned previously, the safer chemistry batteries will vent and not explode... I purchased some of the Efest 18350's to try out because a lot of people gave them good reviews, but I get better performance out of the AW IMR's in all applications. The only battery that is on par with the AW's are the Panasonic's, IMO...

I buy all my batteries from RTD Vapor AW Batteries. Currently in use are:
Batteries : Panasonic Hybrid/IMR CGR18650CH
Batteries : AW IMR 18490 3.7v 1100mAh
Batteries : AW IMR 18350 3.7V 700mAh
Batteries : Efest IMR 18350 Button Top

 

[Racehorse]

I only use safer chemistry batteries in all my APV's. I do this Because I use low resistance atty's only and now for my mechanical devices am using rebuildables with around 1.0ohm coils... If you look around the forum and most vendors websites, you will find that a lot of the newer APV's will not fit a protected battery. This is because they are being manufactured with AW IMR's as the suggested battery to use. The safer chemistry batteries such as the AW IMR's can handle higher amp loads that are demanded from lower ohm coils. As I mentioned previously, the safer chemistry batteries will vent and not explode... I purchased some of the Efest 18350's to try out because a lot of people gave them good reviews, but I get better performance out of the AW IMR's in all applications. The only battery that is on par with the AW's are the Panasonic's, IMO...

Since Rolygate has 40 years in engineering, including gunmaking and battery systems, I tend to trust when he writes in topics:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-issues/254690-protected-batteries-vs-imr-safety.html


IMRs came into popularity with the advent of VV mods that have short circuit protection built in, like a provari.

I think it goes w/out saying Dont buy cheap batteries, dont' buy cheap chargers, don't buy mods with no venting, or safety features (springs, circuitry in the VV mods) etc.

Really though, the vmod obviously DID what it is supposed to do............the spring collapsed. That is safety feature. I think all of this battery stuff is splitting hairs somewhat, because most of us are using good batts, good chargers, adn most mods today have safety features that earlier ones didn't.

Bottom line, in a vmod, we are not talking a high demand device. However, an atty short is going to short out a mod, and the spring is going to collapse, regardless of whether you are using an IMR or the protected batts that came with the vmod.


I trust these topics, so here is a list:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=15472490