Voltage versus Wattage

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Katya

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I've read somewhere here, don't remember where or if it isn't true but the .5 increments in wattage are more less the same as the .1 increments on volts, thats why you have a much bigger wattage range than voltage so the point on it being more accurate I think is wrong

You are correct. Changing voltage in .1 increments changes the wattage by approximately 0.5 watts. Not exactly, but close enough for me; much closer than comparing 0.1V to 0.1W, anyway.

I actually checked. :facepalm:

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I've read somewhere here, don't remember where or if it isn't true but the .5 increments in wattage are more less the same as the .1 increments on volts, thats why you have a much bigger wattage range than voltage so the point on it being more accurate I think is wrong

You don't have to guess or just listen to others. Try playing with one of the easy on line ohms calculators. Google ohms law calculator.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say they were equal amounts of change, though apparently that was implied.

I just know I often change my watts by .1 on my devices and have liked it that way. As always, our experiences and preferences vary.

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Well, I didn't do it to correct you personally, just keeping info accurate so we all learn. :) Thanks for being a good sport about it.

Yes, I did the same thing, using the OP's actual numbers and agree with your assessment:

"tearose50 is essentially correct. However, it may be a case of "it doesn't mater much...close enough"."

However, for those of you that do not understand the magic of Ohm's Law, check out an Ohm's law calculator:

Watts - volts - amps - ohms conversion calculator (Previously provided, bump).

So important is the Ohm's Law calculator, that I have the app on my phone, on my computer, decently close in my head, etc. When you vape long enough, I know the Wattage and the voltage that I'm using pretty much at all times, along with the Ohm's, so what possible difference does it make which one I choose to use. If set it and forget it is your thing.....wonderful. If that's "an unnecessary gimmick feature" for you.....wonderful. After a while, it makes absolutely no difference. What's most important is understanding how Ohms, volts and Watts interact and affect your vape. Atty said it best (I paraphrase) dial up: warmer, dial down: cooler. Since most devices now all have the all important Ohm meter on them, it's only a hop, skip and a jump to add variable power, so why not? Why not cover the whole market so any vaper, new or old, can choose their own preference?

When I was a new vaper, mostly in my short pants, I liked variable wattage because I was changing heads about once and hour, trying new toppers, resistances all over the chart, etc. I didn't know what I liked, and what was suggested was "find what you like" and do more of that. Changing toppers constantly, changing juices constantly, changing resistance constantly...how else was I going to find out what I liked and variable power/wattage was easier for me to use while following their guiding principles. Of course, I could do it with only voltage, but it seemed to me that using wattage reduced the process by one step, and therefore was easier and quicker.

Now I vape 2.0 Ohm cartos everyday, the same type of juices, at the same power/voltage, so it doesn't matter, at all. It's boring by comparison, and I'm not seemingly juggling 5 balls at once trying to figure out what I like.
 
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I haven't checked out your point :blush:, I just know I often change my watts by .1 on my devices and have liked it that way. As always, our experiences and preferences vary. And, as devices vary also in their accuracy, I may like 6.5 watts on one device and 7 on another.

Actually that is a very good point, Just because Ohm's law is written it doesn't mean the device is obeying the law... lol!!!
 
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FYI: In case you didn't know-Resistance is marked on your replacement heads
When I first started i heard all this talk about resistance and had no idea how to tell what resistence my atomizer had-was like ummm how do i know that info

Yeah, But I have yet to test one and have it be the same as marked on it.

Oh and congrats on getting off analogs (Cigs) :)
 
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I really hate the whole 'set and forget' saying when people refer to VW.. I was already dealing with electrical distribution before vaping, so ohms law was already in my daily work schedules. I primarily use power/watt control. I can't really tell you why either. I guess I've found that I adjust the voltage enough to equal what the voltage would be in the 0.5watt increments, so I rarely use DIRECT controls of voltage. If I didn't have a vw device..boo hoo. It does the same thing. If I'm changing a coil with VW controls, I'm changing a flavor. Therefore, I'm going to change the voltage accordingly.

VW is just the next step in having a phone combined with your PV. If you think you NEED that, you're probably a tool..or you just don't know any better...
 

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VW is vastly superior, for returning to favor Output wattages, for each juice you have.
I beg to differ. If you read my post a few above this one, you'll understand it is not superior for everyone, probably not for most vapors. The vast majority of vapors are using only single voltage devices or variable voltage devices, and are getting along just fine.

Using generic numbers.
If you have juice 1 you like at 8 watts and Juice 2 you like at 10, and Juice 3 at 7.
All that it a calculation between resistance and volts.
But if you are using multiple coil attachments at different resistance, you have to do the math and figure each out. To get to your base starting point. The tweak up and down.

With a Variable Watt, you forget all of that, just dial in your Base Watt, then click up and down.
More often you will get right back to your sweet spot with a Variable Watt, quicker, without tweaking the dial.

If you have standardized on only one resistance, VV becomes easier, but only because you have a known Resistance all the time.

If you want to swap out and change a bunch of different hardware, VW brings you back to a more close starting point.
And of course both devices can out identical electricity, one is just much more manual
 

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At the end of the day what it all comes down to is personal preference, I myself am an admitted control freak, I wanna tell the machine what to do and feel like I'm in the drivers seat with full control over my temperature and flavor, So for me it's VV... Where as my wife is VW... I own a sports car with a manual transmission, She owns a cute lil car with an automatic transmission... Life is good!!!

And no, I didn't mean that as VW is for girls, Just that it's not for me!!!

And her Darwin reminds me of this :p
LOL.jpg Clatter box Clown toy... :glare:
 
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I usually buy all of my devices in the 2.0Ω to 3.0Ω range, not a lot of variation. I check the resistance the first time I put on something new, but that's to make sure I got what I ordered more than anything else. If I've using a VV device I start around 3.7 to 4.0 volts, if I'm using a VW device I start around 7 watts. In both cases I dial around until it tastes good. In both cases it's set it and forget it and it's dial up if too cool, dial down if too hot. No matter what mode it's in I tweak it every once and awhile, because my taste changes throughout the day. What I liked at 6 watts an hour ago, I might like at 8 watts now.

I know the charts, I can do the math, but I don't have to. I vape to taste. I switch tanks around all day long, but nothing major is going to happen if I grab the wrong tank and vape 2.0Ω at 5 volts - one draw, one Eeek!, and I dial it down.

That's just what I do.
 
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At the end of the day what it all comes down to is personal preference, I myself am an admitted control freak, I wanna tell the machine what to do and feel like I'm in the drivers seat with full control over my temperature and flavor, So for me it's VV... Where as my wife is VW... I own a sports car with a manual transmission, She owns a cute lil car with an automatic transmission... Life is good!!!

And no, I didn't mean that as VW is for girls, Just that it's not for me!!!

And her Darwin reminds me of this :p
View attachment 265243 Clatter box Clown toy... :glare:

actualy you made a really good analogy here... VV is like driving a manual car and VW an automatic. different people have different preferences but every device with VW has the VV feature (except for the kick?) so why not have both for you to have the option?
 

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actualy you made a really good analogy here... VV is like driving a manual car and VW an automatic. different people have different preferences but every device with VW has the VV feature (except for the kick?) so why not have both for you to have the option?

Just comes back to personal preference, I like the look of my Provari and it has everything I need and like, For "me" :) and it keeps my wife from stealing my Provari... LOL
 
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I'm coming to understand VV, but have absolutely no idea about VW. What are the pros and cons? Which is better? I just got an iTaste VTR. I'm running the iClear30S that comes with it and a Protank 2 both with 2.2 resistance at 4.2 volts. What would I or should I set the watts at, or does that only matter if I have it in VW mode? I would really like to understand this better. Please Help!

To begin with, to answer "What should I set the watts at?" question: You adjust it to what you like. Experiment, and when you get the right vape for you, that is where you set it. Same goes if you use the variable voltage setting.

Now the math:
the relationship of Voltage, current, and resistance are described through Ohm's law
Voltage (E or V) = Current (I) X Resistance (R)
Through manipulation of this we have:
I = V/R
R = V/I
So if you have any two of the values, you can find the third.

Power can be calculated through Joule's law:
Power (in Watts) = V X I

Ohm's law can be inserted into this equation:
P( or W) = (I X R) X I = I^2 X R
or
P = V X (V/R) = V^2/R

On our vaping systems, we know that our coil is at a certain resistance... I'll use 2.4 ohms for this explanation.
So we can adjust either voltage, or wattage.

If we want to adjust voltage, then the wattage will change accordingly (by way of the current required to satisfy ohm's law) to provide vapor.

If we want to adjust wattage, then the voltage will change to provide the vapor.

If you use the VV setting with a particular coil resistance, and you change that resistance, you will need to adjust the voltage again to obtain the same level of vapor.

If you use the VW setting with a particular coil resistance, and you change that resistance, the system will adjust the voltage to obtain the same level of vapor.



I have a 2 ohm coil, which is actually measured at 2.3 ohms by my VTR. I set my power to 8.5 watts.
The system is providing V = square root(P X R) = square root(8.5 X 2.3) = square root(19.55) = 4.42 volts
and I = V/R = 4.42/2.3 = 1.92 amps

So my battery is providing 4.42 volts at 1.92 amps each time I vape it.

If I set my VTR voltage setting to 4.4 volts, it should provide the same level of vape using the same coil.
The battery will provide 4.4 volts at 1.91 amps each time I vape it.

Now lets change the coil... To a 1.8 ohm. This time, we will keep the same power setting (8.5 watts) and then the same voltage as before (4.4 volts)

Power setting:
V = square root(P X R) = square root(8.5 X 1.8) = square root(15.3) = 3.91 volts
I = V/R = 3.91/1.8 = 2.17 amps

So the battery is providing 3.91 volts at 2.17 amps, but it is producing the SAME amount of power as before.

Voltage setting:
I = V/R = 4.4/1.8 = 2.44 amps
P = I^2 X R = 2.44 ^ 2 X 1.8 = 5.95 X 1.8 = 10.71 watts

So the battery is providing 4.4 volts at 2.44 amps, but is now producing 10.71 watts.

I have probably just reiterated most of what has been said, but I figured I would provide the math that describes what is going on when you make the adjustments.

If you have a vaping system that provides both adjustments (like the VTR), it is purely up to your desire as to which setting you adjust. Either, in the end, will provide you with a happy vaping exprience. With the VTR, the setting that you adjusted last, is the variable that it uses. So if you set the wattage last, the system will adjust the voltage to provide that power to the coil. If you set voltage last, it will use that voltage to provide power to the coil. You just need to remember that if you use the voltage setting, if you put in a different resistance coil, you will need to make sure you adjust the voltage accordingly.

If that wasn't long winded enough.. I don't know what is... This is what you get when I am waiting on code to finish building.
 

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OMG, I love it!!! Now gimmie the dark knight :p

These threads fascinate me. How could I have been vaping all this time without an online Ohm's Law calculator? OMG! I did it wrong! I guess I should start smoking again, so I can start over and be overwhelmed. Oh, no! The Protank on my Spinner is starting to taste burnt and my internet is down! I don't know what to do! Does ECF have a hotline?
 
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